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Xion X2
08-17-08, 01:32 PM
No worries, I have time. Cards aren't available here anymore :o
Mhhh that ATI Radeon sticker on the side of the X2 is sexy :D
They're sexy as hell w/ the color scheme. And they weigh 6 lbs/apiece. By far the heaviest graphics card(s) I've ever owned.
Also, that "sticker" on the side is actually not a sticker. It's paint which is kinda nice. There aren't any stickers on the card at all. :)
Fan grill polished. :D
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9511/p1240542ho1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Skinner
08-17-08, 02:03 PM
Heh, 8xAA didn't drop the perf, only at start (min fps) but that's just for a sec:
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 86.24s, Average FPS: 23.19
Min FPS: 4.82 at frame 1462, Max FPS: 38.47 at frame 1756
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 76.71s, Average FPS: 26.07
Min FPS: 4.82 at frame 1462, Max FPS: 38.92 at frame 1004
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 76.56s, Average FPS: 26.12
Min FPS: 4.82 at frame 1462, Max FPS: 41.88 at frame 991
17-8-2008 18:50:51 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1600x1200 AA=8x, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 2609,5
I wonder what happends if I rise my CPU freq a bit more.
Weird, that my situation is reversed (Crysis 32b vs 64b exe). Could it be the ATI card?
Not sure, but Crysis has always run better for me in 64-bit mode.
Even on high settings with a decent amount of AA enabled (4-8x) you're not likely to be CPU limited on Crysis. But of course if you don't enable AA then you might.
Never understood why most can't understand this simple concept. The more AF/AA/resolution you increase, the less and less the CPU matters.
And very high is playable for lots of people. The X2 plays it just fine (35+fps) and so do SLI setups with 2** series cards.
I haven't tested it in quad-Crossfire yet (rig should be up and running tonight), but there's a video of some guy w/ a tri-SLI 280 setup on youtube playing it w/ 8xAA on very high DX10, and he looks to be averaging the same or better. Framerate even jumps to 60fps in several places:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Orsk65ib5c
I completely understand the concept of CPU limited. Bottom line is that I picked up 3fps on average going from 4.1 to 4.2GHz at high settings at 1900x1200. If this happened at 1280x1024 resolution, it would mimic most other games. I believe Crysis is just a different animal than most games, the CPU plays a factor as well as the GPU.
slaWter
08-17-08, 02:45 PM
Heh, 8xAA didn't drop the perf, only at start (min fps)
Man I love the sound of that! Can you please run the same test (0xAA & 8xAA) in DX9 High?
Man I love the sound of that! Can you please run the same test (0xAA & 8xAA) in DX9 High?
1680x1050, 0xAA:
8/16/2008 10:56:21 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 34.27s, Average FPS: 58.36
Min FPS: 41.55 at frame 1935, Max FPS: 80.28 at frame 877
Average Tri/Sec: -41959600, Tri/Frame: -719034
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.27
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 31.09s, Average FPS: 64.33
Min FPS: 41.55 at frame 1935, Max FPS: 80.28 at frame 877
Average Tri/Sec: -46030716, Tri/Frame: -715524
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.28
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 31.00s, Average FPS: 64.51
Min FPS: 41.55 at frame 1935, Max FPS: 80.97 at frame 1015
Average Tri/Sec: -46183904, Tri/Frame: -715950
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.28
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
8/16/2008 10:56:21 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 64.42
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1680x1050, 8xAA:
8/17/2008 2:23:07 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1680x1050, AA=8x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 40.67s, Average FPS: 49.18
Min FPS: 38.18 at frame 1967, Max FPS: 67.23 at frame 979
Average Tri/Sec: -34270004, Tri/Frame: -696836
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.32
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 35.69s, Average FPS: 56.04
Min FPS: 38.18 at frame 1967, Max FPS: 69.50 at frame 974
Average Tri/Sec: -38871736, Tri/Frame: -693662
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.32
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 35.61s, Average FPS: 56.16
Min FPS: 38.18 at frame 1967, Max FPS: 69.50 at frame 974
Average Tri/Sec: -38964132, Tri/Frame: -693753
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.32
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============
Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
8/17/2008 2:23:07 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1680x1050 AA=8x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 56.1
Skinner
08-17-08, 04:03 PM
Strange, my results are a lot lower:
17-8-2008 20:23:00 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1600x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 65.75s, Average FPS: 30.42
Min FPS: 9.51 at frame 1229, Max FPS: 52.62 at frame 1739
Average Tri/Sec: -11464916, Tri/Frame: -376920
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.43
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 55.33s, Average FPS: 36.14
Min FPS: 9.51 at frame 1229, Max FPS: 54.28 at frame 90
Average Tri/Sec: -13459401, Tri/Frame: -372385
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.46
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 55.38s, Average FPS: 36.12
Min FPS: 9.51 at frame 1229, Max FPS: 54.90 at frame 81
Average Tri/Sec: -13419864, Tri/Frame: -371574
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.47
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests
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17-8-2008 20:23:00 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1600x1200 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 3613
DX9 32 bits is also 5-6 fps higher and... adding 8xAA has no impact on perf., propably bad Quad CF overhead?
Lfctony
08-17-08, 04:37 PM
Skinner, you're probably CPU limited... Too much load on your CPU from the load-balancing. I get an average of 53fps with everything on high, 1680x1050, no AA/AF, one GTX280. It's absolutely ridiculous for your system to score 36FPS at similar settings...
Skinner, you're probably CPU limited... Too much load on your CPU from the load-balancing. I get an average of 53fps with everything on high, 1680x1050, no AA/AF, one GTX280. It's absolutely ridiculous for your system to score 36FPS at similar settings...
I agree, something is wrong with that setup. Could be drivers, could be software, could be the OS, but something is certainly off. His CPU is going to be slower than mine, quad or not, at 3GHz that's a lot to give up to my 4.2GHz, but it still shouldn't be THAT far off.
Skinner
08-17-08, 04:45 PM
Skinner, you're probably CPU limited... Too much load on your CPU from the load-balancing. I get an average of 53fps with everything on high, 1680x1050, no AA/AF, one GTX280. It's absolutely ridiculous for your system to score 36FPS at similar settings...
I thought the same, so I pushed the CPU from 3 to 3,4 and gained 4 fps in 1600x1200 16xAF and 8xAA:
7-8-2008 21:36:20 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1600x1200, AA=8x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: VeryHigh
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 74.76s, Average FPS: 26.75
Min FPS: 13.35 at frame 1226, Max FPS: 45.20 at frame 1757
Average Tri/Sec: -9181339, Tri/Frame: -343196
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.67
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 65.68s, Average FPS: 30.45
Min FPS: 13.35 at frame 1226, Max FPS: 47.88 at frame 79
Average Tri/Sec: -10205612, Tri/Frame: -335160
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.74
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 65.92s, Average FPS: 30.34
Min FPS: 13.35 at frame 1226, Max FPS: 47.95 at frame 997
Average Tri/Sec: -10148579, Tri/Frame: -334513
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -2.74
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests
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17-8-2008 21:36:20 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1600x1200 AA=8x, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 3039,5
I will try with one X2 later this week to be sure
Lfctony
08-17-08, 04:56 PM
Well, you should score higher with one 4870x2... :(
Lfctony
08-17-08, 04:58 PM
I agree, something is wrong with that setup. Could be drivers, could be software, could be the OS, but something is certainly off. His CPU is going to be slower than mine, quad or not, at 3GHz that's a lot to give up to my 4.2GHz, but it still shouldn't be THAT far off.
It could be that he's running 2 4870x2s, so it's even worse on his CPU...
slaWter
08-17-08, 05:03 PM
Thanks Blkout and Skinner for the results. AA performance is really nice, even in Crysis!
Skinner, I'm guessing it's due to Quad Crossfire. What happens if you disable the second card and run it again with two GPUs?
Xion X2
08-17-08, 05:15 PM
Skinner, this is just my opinion, but you really need to overclock your quad a lot more than you have it now to be able to handle those 4 GPUs.
so really if you want to use 2 4870x2 cards you need a very fast cpu it even looks like above 4gig beyond .
Skinner
08-17-08, 05:31 PM
Skinner, this is just my opinion, but you really need to overclock your quad a lot more than you have it now to be able to handle those 4 GPUs.
3,4 is the max I could reach stable(allthough it's a G0 revision).
@slaWter, will do this, hold on.
LordJuanlo
08-17-08, 05:44 PM
I can confirm the AA thing in Crysis, FPS are virtually identical between 2x, 4x and 8x. It's wonderful to play Crysis in DX9 1920x1200 with the CCC 2.21 mod and extreme AA settings
Skinner
08-17-08, 05:55 PM
I was running with extrme quality config 1.2 and forgot to disable it :banghead:
One X2 dx9 64 bit:
-8-2008 22:47:42 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1600x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 39.90s, Average FPS: 50.13
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 69.41 at frame 1650
Average Tri/Sec: -41781964, Tri/Frame: -833513
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 36.94s, Average FPS: 54.14
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 76.98 at frame 76
Average Tri/Sec: -44989760, Tri/Frame: -830963
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 36.91s, Average FPS: 54.19
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 77.54 at frame 90
Average Tri/Sec: -44951976, Tri/Frame: -829571
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============
Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
17-8-2008 22:47:42 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1600x1200 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 5416,5
8xAA:
7-8-2008 22:55:52 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1600x1200, AA=8x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 42.10s, Average FPS: 47.51
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 62.76 at frame 978
Average Tri/Sec: -38667884, Tri/Frame: -813903
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 38.48s, Average FPS: 51.98
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 65.51 at frame 64
Average Tri/Sec: -42114788, Tri/Frame: -810247
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 38.47s, Average FPS: 51.99
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 65.96 at frame 992
Average Tri/Sec: -42037584, Tri/Frame: -808633
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============
Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
17-8-2008 22:55:52 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1600x1200 AA=8x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 5198,5
Xion X2
08-17-08, 06:16 PM
Skinner, what board are you running? Are you running the X48 P5E Deluxe?
It could be that he's running 2 4870x2s, so it's even worse on his CPU...
I guess he found the problem.
so really if you want to use 2 4870x2 cards you need a very fast cpu it even looks like above 4gig beyond .
No, but a fast CPU just makes everything faster. The 4870x2 will run fine with a slower CPU also. Most of ATI's own tests were done with AMD CPU's and the 4870x2 still performed well.
I was running with extrme quality config 1.2 and forgot to disable it :banghead:
One X2 dx9 64 bit:
-8-2008 22:47:42 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1600x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 39.90s, Average FPS: 50.13
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 69.41 at frame 1650
Average Tri/Sec: -41781964, Tri/Frame: -833513
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 36.94s, Average FPS: 54.14
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 76.98 at frame 76
Average Tri/Sec: -44989760, Tri/Frame: -830963
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 36.91s, Average FPS: 54.19
Min FPS: 31.94 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 77.54 at frame 90
Average Tri/Sec: -44951976, Tri/Frame: -829571
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.10
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============
Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
17-8-2008 22:47:42 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1600x1200 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 5416,5
8xAA:
7-8-2008 22:55:52 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1600x1200, AA=8x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 42.10s, Average FPS: 47.51
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 62.76 at frame 978
Average Tri/Sec: -38667884, Tri/Frame: -813903
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 38.48s, Average FPS: 51.98
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 65.51 at frame 64
Average Tri/Sec: -42114788, Tri/Frame: -810247
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 38.47s, Average FPS: 51.99
Min FPS: 31.50 at frame 1957, Max FPS: 65.96 at frame 992
Average Tri/Sec: -42037584, Tri/Frame: -808633
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.13
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============
Completed All Tests
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
17-8-2008 22:55:52 - Vista 64
Run #1- DX9 1600x1200 AA=8x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 5198,5
Now that's more like it.
No, but a fast CPU just makes everything faster. The 4870x2 will run fine with a slower CPU also. Most of ATI's own tests were done with AMD CPU's and the 4870x2 still performed well.
thats what i mean eveything is faster with above 4gig cpu i.e graphices so running 2 4870 x2 on a 3 gig system is a waist
thats what i mean eveything is faster with above 4gig cpu i.e graphices so running 2 4870 x2 on a 3 gig system is a waist
I wouldn't say it's a waste, but you might not be getting the full potential from the card. However, as you probably know, the higher the resolution you use, the less the CPU plays a factor. If you're gaming at 1680x1050 and below, you probably don't need a 4870x2 unless you just want something futureproof for the next year or two. Also keep in mind that most of the scores being discussed here in this thread are using Crysis which seems to be more CPU dependant that most games available right now.
slaWter
08-17-08, 06:40 PM
I was running with extrme quality config 1.2 and forgot to disable it :banghead:
Well nice performance for that mod then ;)
AA performance is so nice, I'm sold :D
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