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I'm surprised you haven't run away yet. :p
I stealthed when I seen the red tag coming.
Captain, a pve shadow priest would have +spell hit, +shadow, and +spirit gear ensuring better dps over the plain +damage pvp sets. pvp gear sacrifices dps stats for +hp. Melee may get big stats for +str and such.. but their gear lacks +hit. These things are essential in pve.
CaptnStubing
08-29-08, 01:32 PM
Captain, a pve shadow priest would have +spell hit, +shadow, and +spirit gear ensuring better dps over the plain +damage pvp sets. pvp gear sacrifices dps stats for +hp. Melee may get big stats for +str and such.. but their gear lacks +hit. These things are essential in pve.
Sigh... I know this. I raided for a very long time and PVPd' for a very long time. I had a raiding healing priest and a PVP shadow priest. You guys are far too geeky to understand the sarcastic comment I was making. Please, let this go. You are so far off from what I was saying.
Monolyth
08-29-08, 01:34 PM
Captain, a pve shadow priest would have +spell hit, +shadow, and +spirit gear ensuring better dps over the plain +damage pvp sets. pvp gear sacrifices dps stats for +hp. Melee may get big stats for +str and such.. but their gear lacks +hit. These things are essential in pve.
Almost any half-geared Shadow Priest can pull aggro in PvE, VE + VT = fail. Before I stopped playing my S.Priest was wearing mostly Badge gear + one or two pieces of T6 and I was either #1 damage or in the top 3 every raid. I was primarily relegated to the healer group for mana regen, while the other DPS'ers (T5/6 mages/locks) got to enjoy constant drum effects and heroisms; I rarely pulled threat on trash and maybe 1-2 times in 50 raids would I pull a boss and that was if everything (damage-wise) was going my way, which rarely happened.
No two players or situations are alike, rating a gearset based on actual situations is near impossible simply because there are too many possible external effects on the recorded data to make it a valid comparison. That's not to say that someone can't review & compare their WWS report to someone elses to gain pointers on doing better.
When it comes down to it, it's all about the skill and intelligence of the individual player. Any fool can mash buttons; but it's the folks that understand cool-down timers, DoT timers, casting speeds, gear/char stats, talent specs, specific boss strategies and how to combine all of those items to play a character to the best they possibly can that will determine their performance in raids, PvP, etc. Some people have the competitive nature to go that far some don't, it becomes glaringly obvious in the stats, and that is why top guilds are so elitist. They have to ensure that they keep the best players for raiding otherwise the players will get bored and will simply leave for a more elitist guild.
Unfortunately in my time playing WoW, while people have always said that I was a really good player I was never able to get into an elite guild to prove my metal against them. Of course I never made a big effort to become their "friend" either. And so it always ended with Mono vs. the World....of Warcraft. :D
CaptnStubing
08-29-08, 03:29 PM
Almost any half-geared Shadow Priest can pull aggro in PvE, VE + VT = fail. Before I stopped playing my S.Priest was wearing mostly Badge gear + one or two pieces of T6 and I was either #1 damage or in the top 3 every raid. I was primarily relegated to the healer group for mana regen, while the other DPS'ers (T5/6 mages/locks) got to enjoy constant drum effects and heroisms; I rarely pulled threat on trash and maybe 1-2 times in 50 raids would I pull a boss and that was if everything (damage-wise) was going my way, which rarely happened.
No two players or situations are alike, rating a gearset based on actual situations is near impossible simply because there are too many possible external effects on the recorded data to make it a valid comparison. That's not to say that someone can't review & compare their WWS report to someone elses to gain pointers on doing better.
When it comes down to it, it's all about the skill and intelligence of the individual player. Any fool can mash buttons; but it's the folks that understand cool-down timers, DoT timers, casting speeds, gear/char stats, talent specs, specific boss strategies and how to combine all of those items to play a character to the best they possibly can that will determine their performance in raids, PvP, etc. Some people have the competitive nature to go that far some don't, it becomes glaringly obvious in the stats, and that is why top guilds are so elitist. They have to ensure that they keep the best players for raiding otherwise the players will get bored and will simply leave for a more elitist guild.
Unfortunately in my time playing WoW, while people have always said that I was a really good player I was never able to get into an elite guild to prove my metal against them. Of course I never made a big effort to become their "friend" either. And so it always ended with Mono vs. the World....of Warcraft. :D
This is well said.
Oh and you did not miss anything with the large guilds. They friking suck. All they do is cry over DKP and gear. If you are not in the main raid then you are a nobody. If you get in a PVP guild like mine, you are just one of the guildies hanging out on vent crushing skulls and melting faces. We are all the same and we have a blast. You don't need to wait for everyone or anyone to show up. You just start crushing. The best thing is you are not affected by the crappy players. Even if you lose you still get honor and will get gear.
PVP is full of WIN!
Monolyth
08-29-08, 04:35 PM
This is well said.
Oh and you did not miss anything with the large guilds. They friking suck. All they do is cry over DKP and gear. If you are not in the main raid then you are a nobody. If you get in a PVP guild like mine, you are just one of the guildies hanging out on vent crushing skulls and melting faces. We are all the same and we have a blast. You don't need to wait for everyone or anyone to show up. You just start crushing. The best thing is you are not affected by the crappy players. Even if you lose you still get honor and will get gear.
PVP is full of WIN!
I liked PvP back when it was just HWL/M & BG's. I'm not too fond of Arena's. I've always been more partial to realm v. realm. I loved keep raids in DAoC, 200+ people assaulting for a relic, everyone working together to attack/defend. Then there was SWG, which I enjoyed the frequent Imperial assaults on Moenia, our server (Bloodfin I think it was). We also had a lot of player cities that staged PvP events Imp vs. Reb, those were awesome fun! I helped defend a city out past Anchorhead on Tattooine from the Imperials, I think they lost like 10 AT-ST's, they nearly broke our lines just outside the city, but we held...Ahh the good ole days.
firehawk
08-29-08, 04:48 PM
LOL This is funny. I can come in with my PVP gear and out damage the scrubs and never pull aggro. Yes PVP gear is not for raiding but for the mid level raids one or two shadow priests can get a way with wearing their gear in there. Crap I watched the other shadow priest in Gruul pulling aggro and he did half as much damage as me. The difference is I know how to raid. He didn't know how to raid (even though he thought he did) and he couldn't PVP.
congrats on playing with tards?....lol
seriously though. when i help out in the odd heroic or gruul/mag/doomwalker/kara...etc
i normally don't care what i have on. pvp gear will get me through it, there short easy fights. its when people try to come into MH and beyond where most of the fights become healing intense and all all out dps races and the 10-15 min marks. that's the point where pvp gear just doesn't cut it anymore it doesn't have the balance needed even though there item level is on par with items needed for that content.
anywho...
on with the back on topic
CaptnStubing
08-29-08, 05:36 PM
congrats on playing with tards?....lol
That was a PUG. and yes they were tards. I won the pants from Gruul and they gave it to someone in their guild. I LOLd' and left. I had no interest in the gear. I was only there because a buddy in their guild asked me to fill in for them. Later that day I challenged the raid leader to a dual and kicked the crap out of him. Yes he was a shadow priest also in FULL KARA GEAR. LOL!
seriously though. when i help out in the odd heroic or Gruul/mag/doomwalker/kara...etc
i normally don't care what i have on. pvp gear will get me through it, there short easy fights. its when people try to come into MH and beyond where most of the fights become healing intense and all all out dps races and the 10-15 min marks. that's the point where pvp gear just doesn't cut it anymore it doesn't have the balance needed even though there item level is on par with items needed for that content.
anywho...
on with the back on topic
True. I do have some raid gear. I just left my PVP gear on to piss them off. :D
I just switched to a PVP healer last night. ZOMG we completely changed how well we play in BGS. Just one additional healer smashed the crap out of the alliance. I like it better. There isn't any stress. It is actually fun and funny as hell to watch rogues and other warriors try to out DPS the warrior I am healing. LMAO!
If your shadow priest pulls agro in raids, your tanks fail. ;p
CaptnStubing
08-29-08, 07:55 PM
If your shadow priest pulls agro in raids, your tanks fail. ;p
Not always. I was a tank when I was a raider. I could pull aggro back. It's called skill... after you let the shadow priest die. :D
Lol. I recently got a warrior to 70 so I brought some other 70 alts into durn last night. Of course everyone had to be an ass about it and pull aoe agro cause the mobs were only level 67, but I told em if they do that in a lvl 70 instance, im not running after them. ;) I'm just gonna bind intervine to the healer and everyone else can bite me. ;)
NaitoSan
08-30-08, 05:26 AM
IMO Final Fantasy XI is hardest MMORPG because you die easily when solo with anything above your level. Even few easy prey monsters can own you. :o
A lot of quests and whatnot requires very strong team or with few skilled classes that know what they're doing. Getting to level 75 takes a long time, unless you do exp grinding non-stop which could take few days to hit 75.
There's one of hardest bosses that isn't defeated yet. That boss is Pandemonium Warden. And there's other one that is also considered very tough and it has been reported it's been defeated by few linkshells, is Absolute Virtue. Both takes more than 18 hours to defeat them. Wow.
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html#cutid1
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17366.html#cutid1
Personally, I like Final Fantasy XI far more than WoW or any other mmorpgs. It's tough, has a decent story, a lot of team works, and it's fun. I'm not much fan of PvP myself but FFXI has it (I never tried PvP so I don't know how good it is). Only bad things about FFXI are, it's also damn long and requires a lot of work to get all sweet end game, rare items as well get yourself in respectable linkshell so you can get join to fight against all kind bosses or notorious monsters.
FF11 may be the hardest (mmo)rpg, but not in a "good" way by a long shot.
NaitoSan
08-31-08, 03:22 AM
FF11 may be the hardest (mmo)rpg, but not in a "good" way by a long shot.
FFXI isn't for everyone though. It's a type of MMORPG anyone love or hate. I didn't like WoW because of how simplicity it is or lack of deep story. I enjoyed FFXI because of its difficult and deep story. I like a challenging, in depth and rewarding experiences offered by FFXI. FFXI requires a lot of hard work and dedication to achieve most goals, but the feeling of intense personal satisfaction after achieving what you previously though unachievable is matched in no other game.
Ive played eq, DaoC, WoW, xenosaga, all the ff games, there was nothing I found rewarding or interesting about ff11.
Dvahlish
08-31-08, 05:52 PM
AoC FTW, lol. ;)
Yeh...Nah it isnt FTW...we all know that.
Dvahlish
08-31-08, 05:59 PM
That was a PUG. and yes they were tards. I won the pants from Gruul and they gave it to someone in their guild. I LOLd' and left. I had no interest in the gear. I was only there because a buddy in their guild asked me to fill in for them. Later that day I challenged the raid leader to a dual and kicked the crap out of him. Yes he was a shadow priest also in FULL KARA GEAR. LOL!
True. I do have some raid gear. I just left my PVP gear on to piss them off. :D
I just switched to a PVP healer last night. ZOMG we completely changed how well we play in BGS. Just one additional healer smashed the crap out of the alliance. I like it better. There isn't any stress. It is actually fun and funny as hell to watch rogues and other warriors try to out DPS the warrior I am healing. LMAO!
Healing makes all the difference in BG's but its surprising how many BG's lack healers!
A friend of mine plays a disc priest and when I go into BG's with my rogue with him as a back up..its amazing how much I can live through.
My rogue is a raiding toon and with her badge gear and T5, there is no need for a PVP set for her at all but I know a lot of my guildies that have a PVP set and a PVE set, mainly the clothies and the priests that switch from Holy to Disc for PVP.
I have a 70 spriest with fill FSW set and Im currently grinding BG's for a PVP set and hating it :( But Id like to do some arena as disc just for giggles.
It all seems a bit of a waste of time to be honest as Im really just filling in time before WAR :)
BGs lack healers cause healing specs dont fare well in pvp.. if you really have a problem with it be my guest and tell blizz.. youll hear no complaint from us. ;)
Dvahlish
09-01-08, 01:42 AM
BGs lack healers cause healing specs dont fare well in pvp.. if you really have a problem with it be my guest and tell blizz.. youll hear no complaint from us. ;)
Nah..I really have no problem with it considering I wont be playing wow for much longer anyway :)
I have seen some well geared disc priests hold thier own on the BG's quite well though.
Son Goku
09-01-08, 08:42 PM
BGs lack healers cause healing specs dont fare well in pvp.. if you really have a problem with it be my guest and tell blizz.. youll hear no complaint from us. ;)
A lot of the lack on off healing comes from people finally figuring "screw this, why am I risking my arse to heal people who turn tail and run". On my shamy, which is elemental spec BTW, some t6, about 3 or 4 items from BT, something from MH, some badge, though still gearing; but can throw an odd heal or chain heal in a BG that isn't negligeable; I have gone to heal some. Naturally, he has more usefulness DPSing, but can hold some on heals also.
The problem is, one person is in trouble, heal them, they turn tail and run. And of course the horde see the one person who healed, so who do they all run after? Yep; so I take 1, 2, maybe 3 of them down; but... And there's the person just running off, while the person who just saved them is left to themself as the one guy who was attacking them (note they might have only been hit by 1 or 2) has time to get reinforcements. Was worse at lower lvl BGs when he was a twink, as the 2 guys he didn't get so readily, and healing one person was almost invariably quick death (especially when enh spec up to 49), as the person turned tail. When it came to ganking, the person who ran isn't a threat; but anyone who would dare heal becomes the target of like everyone, and as to one's team mates such as those one helped out?
This is probably why many don't heal, cause if they do... It's like the mage who demands payment from all people in an AV else refuses to lay a mage table; and yet insists on all buffs (not quick buffs, but the upgraded). Much the same with run in the middle and farm honor in a WSG as no one bothers with the flag, then wonders why the opposing faction always cleans their clock goes much the same on why many who might heal (even if not holy/resto spec in particular), many times pass it up.
firehawk
09-02-08, 02:02 PM
BGs lack healers cause healing specs dont fare well in pvp.. if you really have a problem with it be my guest and tell blizz.. youll hear no complaint from us. ;)
sure we do...
dps just need to understand that they are alive still because of us. have all the damn skill in the world, eventually those HP are going to be nothing no matter what. when your healers are getting beat on come on over and help us out. don't run away after i just saved your ass to let me die because you will be next.
most people would rather focus on "OMG KILL IT NOW!" NEED MOAR HK'S!!" then realize how to play with other classes.
80% of the dps in Bg's i see are the type mentioned above.
and because of that i will never pug bg's again. guild runs only for me.
play your roles right and bg's is a blast.
Mr.Schme
09-03-08, 10:57 AM
80% of the dps in Bg's i see are the type mentioned above.
and because of that i will never pug bg's again. guild runs only for me.
play your roles right and bg's is a blast.
Oh yeah.
CaptnStubing
09-03-08, 02:29 PM
sure we do...
dps just need to understand that they are alive still because of us. have all the damn skill in the world, eventually those HP are going to be nothing no matter what. when your healers are getting beat on come on over and help us out. don't run away after i just saved your ass to let me die because you will be next.
most people would rather focus on "OMG KILL IT NOW!" NEED MOAR HK'S!!" then realize how to play with other classes.
80% of the dps in Bg's i see are the type mentioned above.
and because of that i will never pug bg's again. guild runs only for me.
play your roles right and bg's is a blast.
I just run around with my friends on vent. We have a group of 4. It is fun. We go after bigger groups than us and usually win. We ignore the single person running down the road. Taking people out like that is chump stuff. We like the big battles and don't care if we die.
Remember dying = full health and mana. :D
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