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duffy_chucky
09-01-08, 05:04 PM
we can't improved texture quality now. it's useless.
with 1600x1050 pixel on 22 inch , you haven't enough precision. amha...

i compared 1400x1050 & 1600x1200 on 19.8" viewable (22" CRT IBM trinitron) against 2048x1536 (80Hz) . and the dice has rolled: we still need higher resolution display. going to 2048 make few thing.
your eye can adpat itself and you are able to see thing smaller than what you have with 0.28 dot pitch . 1400x1050 is FAR inferior in my eye than 2048. (on 19.8" , it's about equal to what you have on 22" wide 1600x1050)

conclusion ? we need 0.22 dot pitch display. until we have that, increase texture quality is useless. let alone photorealistic lighting, wich rasterization can give an answer.

my 2 cents :afro:

crainger
09-01-08, 05:08 PM
I think you read the rules wrong. Posting here costs 10cents dude.

|MaguS|
09-01-08, 05:09 PM
um what?

duffy_chucky
09-01-08, 05:25 PM
um what?


N33D 0.20 dot pitch DISPLAY FOR GAMERZ

|MaguS|
09-01-08, 05:32 PM
N33D 0.20 dot pitch DISPLAY FOR GAMERZ

So spend more money in R&D for a tiny market that will not net them much of an increase in profits... yeah I dout the LCD Manufacturers will rush out to fill your needs.

MustangSVT
09-01-08, 05:34 PM
What's the current dot pitch of a 1920x1200 display?

duffy_chucky
09-01-08, 05:46 PM
0.27

MustangSVT
09-01-08, 05:50 PM
I think this guy is saying that until we have displays with better (lower) dot pitch, increase in texture sizes (such as 2048x2048 texture size) will be useless since the differences won't be noticeable on our displays versus lower texture sizes.

XDanger
09-01-08, 05:51 PM
Im getting a LaCie Electron 22 Blue IV 22" 0.24mm dot pitch CRT, Apparently it smells like burning insects.:)

The listed resolutions had better be reported otherwise i'm screwed.

|MaguS|
09-01-08, 05:56 PM
I think this guy is saying that until we have displays with better (lower) dot pitch, increase in texture sizes (such as 2048x2048 texture size) will be useless since the differences won't be noticeable on our displays versus lower texture sizes.

I don't think displays are holding us back, rather it being game engine capabilities and CPU performance. I mean look at HL2 FFCM8 and many Crysis Mods. They use really high resolution textures (2048x2048) which are noticably better then stock high settings in the games.

duffy_chucky
09-01-08, 07:06 PM
Im getting a LaCie Electron 22 Blue IV 22" 0.24mm dot pitch CRT, Apparently it smells like burning insects.:)

The listed resolutions had better be reported otherwise i'm screwed.

very good tube , if not destroyed. :D. it's a diamondtron i think

duffy_chucky
09-01-08, 07:09 PM
I don't think displays are holding us back, rather it being game engine capabilities and CPU performance. I mean look at HL2 FFCM8 and many Crysis Mods. They use really high resolution textures (2048x2048) which are noticably better then stock high settings in the games.

crysis highest detail texture are same than riddick . (2005) the only difference is the apply of multiple texture. up to 4 .
can you imagine a 30" display with 4000x2200 ? THAT is photorealistic.

720p make me laugh

ps: i need a 2nd HD4850 :/. 4850 is dying with such high res.

|MaguS|
09-01-08, 07:20 PM
crysis highest detail texture are same than riddick . (2005) the only difference is the apply of multiple texture. up to 4 .
can you imagine a 30" display with 4000x2200 ? THAT is photorealistic.

720p make me laugh

ps: i need a 2nd HD4850 :/. 4850 is dying with such high res.

a 30" with 400x2200 texture resolution would run like **** because no hardware could run a game smoothly with that type of resolution.

Eliminator
09-01-08, 07:28 PM
also if you use a non native resolution on an LCD its going to look like crap

ViN86
09-01-08, 07:39 PM
i nominate this thread as suck of the year.

|MaguS|
09-01-08, 07:51 PM
i nominate this thread as suck of the year.

Too late, All the threads in the P&R Forum have that nomination.

ViN86
09-01-08, 07:52 PM
Too late, All the threads in the P&R Forum have that nomination.

lol good point.

this one can at least be an honorable mention then.

MaXThReAT
09-01-08, 07:55 PM
I think it's truly a good point. I'll never understand why anyone would buy anything with a dot pitch higher than .25. All these people buying crappy inferior LCD monitors. I'm afraid its the way the industry is going. Looking at the egg they have a total of 4 CRTs for sale, they simply don't make good displays anymore, slim and wide yes but good no, not for under $3k. It's nice that consoles have been brought up to 1920x1080 but PCs are now being brought down to this level and it's going to be the standard for quite a while. Most people have no idea what dot pitch is and if you ask them they say things like "um what?" or "I play in 1080p". I currently use a 22" p1230 Diamondtron Natural Flat that has a .24mm aperture grille pitch. It reaches up to 2048x1536@85Hz and I wouldn't trade it for 95% of LCDs out there.

$n][pErMan
09-01-08, 09:28 PM
I would like to see .22 dot pitch LCD's :) My old CRT was .20 dot pitch.

Bman212121
09-01-08, 09:45 PM
What's the dot pitch on the dell 2009WFP? It's 1680 x 1050 in a 20" monitor. I think it might be .258 but I can't find the exact specs on it.

Either way, dot pitch on an LCD seems a little different than a CRT. I've never noticed an issue with it. A lot of crappier CRT's however you can really a difference, but LCD's tend to be a lot sharper images IMO.

There are high resolution displays out there, like on laptops, but generally you sit closer to them than your 24" monitors. Take a dell latitude D820 for example, it packs 1920 x 1200 resolution onto a 17" widescreeen. I can tell you that if you turn that all the way up I have a hard time even reading the text on the monitor without making all of the fonts bigger. Having a 1:1 pixel mapping provides the best image anyway, so upping the resolution and then having to stretch all of your images kind of defeats the purpose.

duffy_chucky
09-02-08, 07:00 AM
What's the dot pitch on the dell 2009WFP? It's 1680 x 1050 in a 20" monitor. I think it might be .258 but I can't find the exact specs on it.

Either way, dot pitch on an LCD seems a little different than a CRT. I've never noticed an issue with it. A lot of crappier CRT's however you can really a difference, but LCD's tend to be a lot sharper images IMO.

There are high resolution displays out there, like on laptops, but generally you sit closer to them than your 24" monitors. Take a dell latitude D820 for example, it packs 1920 x 1200 resolution onto a 17" widescreeen. I can tell you that if you turn that all the way up I have a hard time even reading the text on the monitor without making all of the fonts bigger. Having a 1:1 pixel mapping provides the best image anyway, so upping the resolution and then having to stretch all of your images kind of defeats the purpose.


all LCD have sharper image. it's inherent to technology. the counterpart is :

- backlight
- crappy color (often bluish)
- native resolution or centered display otherwise , image sucks.


Eizo seem to have very good LCD screen. with anti-backlight system on their 24" model.

XDanger
09-02-08, 06:50 PM
I hope I can get sony 24" GDM-FW900 before they all die.
http://nh.craigslist.org/ele/787497768.html $150 is a steal!!!!

Quick420
09-03-08, 09:49 AM
I think it's truly a good point. I'll never understand why anyone would buy anything with a dot pitch higher than .25. All these people buying crappy inferior LCD monitors. I'm afraid its the way the industry is going. Looking at the egg they have a total of 4 CRTs for sale, they simply don't make good displays anymore, slim and wide yes but good no, not for under $3k. It's nice that consoles have been brought up to 1920x1080 but PCs are now being brought down to this level and it's going to be the standard for quite a while. Most people have no idea what dot pitch is and if you ask them they say things like "um what?" or "I play in 1080p". I currently use a 22" p1230 Diamondtron Natural Flat that has a .24mm aperture grille pitch. It reaches up to 2048x1536@85Hz and I wouldn't trade it for 95% of LCDs out there.

I feel exactly the same way right now.I almost bought a 25.5 samsung talked about in other threads here,but it is still an LCD.I think I'll hold onto my CRT for a while longer....

Delbert
09-03-08, 11:30 AM
Love my 17" CRT ( space restrictions )...... 0.20 dot pitch.... 1600x1200@85hz..... no AA required:D

duffy_chucky
09-04-08, 07:00 PM
my bro just got a samsung T220 22" LCD.
TN+film , fast 2ms panel. good color , i was shocked ! really good color , and really , really fast.

Last time i checked modern panel , i was disappointed. but i must admit this T220 is really a great product (visually wise. the foot of panel is crappy). only 340$

http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/02/51/28/t220p10.jpg