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nekrosoft13
09-23-08, 09:07 PM
Microsoft has decided that Windows 7 won't include built-in programs for e-mail, photo editing, and movie making, as was done with Windows Vista, CNET News.com has learned.

The software maker included Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Mail, and Windows Movie Maker as part of Vista, but later chose to offer separate downloadable Windows Live programs that essentially replaced those components with versions that could connect to online services from Microsoft and others.

Microsoft told CNET News late Monday that it has decided to remove those features entirely from Windows 7 and instead offer only the service-connected Windows Live versions as optional free downloads. Earlier on Monday, Microsoft had declined to say how it was handling things.

In a follow-up interview on Monday, Windows Live general manager Brian Hall said Microsoft made the decision to remove the tools from Windows for several reasons, including a desire to issue new operating system releases more quickly than it has in the past. The move also removes the confusion of offering and supporting two different programs that perform essentially similar functions.

"It makes it much cleaner," Hall said.

Lastly, he said, making the Windows Live tools completely separate from the operating system paves the way for Microsoft to work selectively with specific partners.

"We can do things with specific partners to enable really great experiences that might be hard in Windows," Hall said.

Antitrust rules make it hard for Microsoft to tie operating system features to specific services.

Microsoft last week rolled out the latest "Wave 3" releases of its Windows Live programs, adding Windows Live Movie Maker to the mix of programs, which includes Windows Live Photo Gallery and Windows Live Mail as well as blogging tool Windows Live Writer and instant messaging program Windows Live Messenger. While Windows XP and earlier releases had an instant messaging program built in, Microsoft took out that feature in Windows Vista.

Hall said it was too soon to say if the "Wave 4" release would precede Windows 7 or be coincident to it. Microsoft has said it will have Windows 7 on the market by January 2010, while CEO Steve Ballmer has said he is pushing for a release next year.

"We'll do Wave 3 and then we'll figure it out," Hall said.

It remains to be seen just how Microsoft will distribute the Windows Live programs in conjunction with Windows 7-based PCs. Presumably the company could strike deals with computer makers or retailers to include the software, or links to download it.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10048142-56.html

DRen72
09-23-08, 09:48 PM
As long as the extra stuff is truly a free download and well supported, then I don't really mind that.

npras42
09-25-08, 10:45 AM
Now if only they would make Internet Sucksplorer OPTIONAL, that would make my day.

Then what would you use to download Firefox, Chrome or Opera? :p

Bearclaw
09-25-08, 10:55 AM
Windows Mail was one of the few things I liked about Vista. Made it more of a consumer O/S, having the option to have that.

nekrosoft13
09-25-08, 11:08 AM
Then what would you use to download Firefox, Chrome or Opera? :p

i was about to say the same :headexplode:

bacon12
09-25-08, 12:15 PM
i was about to say the same :headexplode:

They could include a command line browser like Lynx. (nana2)

A text only browser would be very secure. :p

Sazar
09-25-08, 12:24 PM
They could include a command line browser like Lynx. (nana2)

A text only browser would be very secure. :p

Sure would make life rosy for about 90% of all users.

/sarcasm

:cool:

Shamrock
09-25-08, 10:15 PM
Now if only they would make Internet Sucksplorer OPTIONAL, that would make my day.

I will go further and say they need to ditch the IE, Windows Media player, Disk Defragmenter, Paint, Sound recorder, Wordpad, Windows Messenger, Firewall, etc.

nekrosoft13
09-25-08, 11:27 PM
maybe ditch the explorer.exe as well?

Badboy_12345
09-26-08, 04:03 AM
you can download and install them for free anyway..

Dont see a problem.

I never use windows inbuilt mail anyway. Always use Office outlook

glObalist
09-27-08, 04:19 AM
Then what would you use to download Firefox, Chrome or Opera? :p

Keep 'em on a USB stick and install from there. Or use eplorer.exe for the download.

Wolfhound
09-27-08, 11:14 AM
maybe ditch the explorer.exe as well?

I was thinking this, and no wallpaper too, and only kernel and a command prompt you can download via command line the desktop and all this features.... uuhhh wait thatīs linux no?... seriously I donīt mind if Microsoft include all the features they want but Iīll be more happier if you can "hide" or uninstall or select on install what features you need or want, but this will make instalations more painful for non techie people and for deploying windows on corporate enviroment. For me making some features out of windows 7 and make them downloable for free is a good step, you can choose what windows Live components you need or use and ditch the ones you donīt use.

Yaboze
09-27-08, 03:30 PM
I don't see a big deal with not including them, I mean, how much space are they really taking up? Photo programs, e-mail and a few other tidbits, is what, 100 meg?

hell_of_doom227
10-01-08, 07:30 AM
Linux is just retarded OS. I can't believe people still bother with the biggest crap ever written.

crainger
10-01-08, 07:55 AM
Linux is just retarded OS. I can't believe people still bother with the biggest crap ever written.

Do you think of this stuff, or do you just open your mouth and out it flows?

npras42
10-01-08, 08:20 AM
Do you think of this stuff, or do you just open your mouth and out it flows?

hell_of_doom227 is just a retard. I can't believe people still bother with the biggest crap ever written.

grey_1
10-01-08, 04:05 PM
Linux is just retarded OS. I can't believe people still bother with the biggest crap ever written.

*Translation*

wtf is iso? clicking on it does nothing! stupid crap.

:lol:

bacon12
10-01-08, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by hell_of_doom227
wtf is iso? clicking on it does nothing! stupid crap.

:rofl:

Monolyth
10-01-08, 04:20 PM
I do believe Windows should move to a "select your apps to install" setup. Provide the basic installation for "most" folks, and "advanced" for us in teh knowz. Let us just completely rip out the Security Center, Indexer, etc. without having to nLite or vLite.

crainger
10-01-08, 04:38 PM
I do believe Windows should move to a "select your apps to install" setup. Provide the basic installation for "most" folks, and "advanced" for us in teh knowz. Let us just completely rip out the Security Center, Indexer, etc. without having to nLite or vLite.

I agree.

Also they really need to test and make it clear IF a feature can effect gaming performance, whether it shuts down for games and if it can be a benefit in general use, that way we can fine tune our PCs to our needs. I myself would just strip everything. ::D:

Monolyth
10-01-08, 04:40 PM
I agree.

Also they really need to test and make it clear IF a feature can effect gaming performance, whether it shuts down for games and if it can be a benefit in general use, that way we can fine tune our PCs to our needs. I myself would just strip everything. ::D:

Put the clothes back on your PC crainger...

*eye roll*

Phyxion
10-02-08, 12:28 AM
Keep 'em on a USB stick and install from there. Or use eplorer.exe for the download.

explorer browsing internet is IE. Bad try.
Anyway, I'd say strip out all the rubbish since I never use it.

crainger
10-02-08, 01:17 AM
Put the clothes back on your PC crainger...

*eye roll*

Looks good without the sides, then again. They are ONLY mesh sides so it's not like I can't see ALL the time.

*stiffy*

npras42
10-02-08, 04:14 PM
Looks good without the sides, then again. They are ONLY mesh sides so it's not like I can't see ALL the time.

*stiffy*

Its like fishnet stockings. :captnkill:

crainger
10-02-08, 04:30 PM
Anyone see that 7 is almost in beta? I mean proper beta that they hand out like they did with Vista.