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I don't see why everyone is making a fuss about them. The fact is that they have nothing to do with the NV30. They were rendered in software using a 3D modeling program similar to 3D Studio MAX. Here's the link to the website where they pictures were taken from.
http://www.exluna.com/products/gallery.html
And yes I realize exluna is owned by Nvidia, but those pictures were on their website before they were purchased.
As you can see, each of the pictures was using different software. The motorcycle was built using Maya, Mayaman, and Entropy. The picture of the table and the picture of the pens were made using BMRT.
Those pics are just there to represent what the Nv30 will be able to do in realtime.
Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
Those pics are just there to represent what the Nv30 will be able to do in realtime.
Show me the proof. As far as I'm concerned, the NV30 is vapourware until it is announced by Nvidia and review numbers are on the net.
Why ask me for proof? I have nothing to do with Nvidia.
Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
Why ask me for proof? I have nothing to do with Nvidia.
No, but you are stating that those will be able to be rendered on the NV30 in realtime. I just want to know where you got that information to prove your statement.
Simply ripping off images from a website and claiming to be NV30 real-time renders isn't exactly proof to me.
Look around and read. Again just a reminder don't ask me for any proof. I don't work for Nvidia.
skipparoo
07-28-02, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by SsP45
Show me the proof. As far as I'm concerned, the NV30 is vapourware until it is announced by Nvidia and review numbers are on the net.
Did you happen to view the recent .PDF file on nVIDIA's developer web site describing CineFX? If these specs turn out to be legitimate, and I have no doubt they are, then this will indeed be nVIDIA's greatest achievement. I mean not too long ago everyone was saying how pixel shaders are limiting because you can only allow for, what, 64 instructions? Now somehow nVIDIA has raised the bar to 1024. Same thing goes for the vertex shaders, as well as a whole lot of other functions. Those pictures are definitely not proof that the NV30 can render complex models like them in real-time, but I guarantee you it can :P
-Skippy
Originally posted by skipparoo
Did you happen to view the recent .PDF file on nVIDIA's developer web site describing CineFX? If these specs turn out to be legitimate, and I have no doubt they are, then this will indeed be nVIDIA's greatest achievement. I mean not too long ago everyone was saying how pixel shaders are limiting because you can only allow for, what, 64 instructions? Now somehow nVIDIA has raised the bar to 1024. Same thing goes for the vertex shaders, as well as a whole lot of other functions. Those pictures are definitely not proof that the NV30 can render complex models like them in real-time, but I guarantee you it can :P
-Skippy
It's still vapourware. Nvidia can state anything they want on paper, but until I can hold the card in my hands talk means nothing.
Anyway, the headline on this website's homepage clearly states that these are NV30 screenshots, when they were in fact uploaded as early as last November. (http://www.exluna.com/products/gallery/) Kind of misleading, in any case.
lol
mavis
ThorAxe
07-28-02, 01:18 AM
I don't give a rats about the pictures but then I have not been overly impressed with the Radeon 9700 either. I fully expect the NV30 to be 10 - 15% faster with better quality in resolutions above 800x600.
What do I base this assessment on? Nvidia's past history and superior driver support.
Vapourware? Ummm...... No; more like end of the year ware.:cool:
Originally posted by ThorAxe
I don't give a rats about the pictures but then I have not been overly impressed with the Radeon 9700 either. I fully expect the NV30 to be 10 - 15% faster with better quality in resolutions above 800x600.
What do I base this assessment on? Nvidia's past history and superior driver support.
Vapourware? Ummm...... No; more like end of the year ware.:cool:
hmm... So I have to assume you mean 10-15% faster than the GF4? I mean, if you're "looking at Nvidia's history" I think it would be closer to 20-30% faster than the GF4 4600, right?
lol
Anyway, have you seen any confirmed specs/release date info on the NV30 yet? Just curious.
mavis
You have a point there. I can play games even now with my G3 above high quality at large resolutions and have great framerate. I don't expect people telling me what looks good and what looks bad. I am very sure what I like and currently it's more than playable on latest games.
SavagePaladin
07-28-02, 01:33 AM
NV has never lied to me, sure they hype their products but everyone does. So I guess I should stop buying everything, including food cause of that.
Ahem. Anyway. It's not vaporware, we may not know how it'll perform but I expect nothing less than what they always give with a new release....an awesome card.
Anyone got some food? I'm hungry.
ThorAxe
07-28-02, 01:48 AM
Now I don't want to start a flame war.... I'm just curious. Does anyone remember the last decent ATI card that came out before the Radeon?
As for NV30 it should be at least 10-15% faster than the 9700. You can accept this now or when it comes out later in the year. :D
Lezmaka
07-28-02, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by SsP45
It's still vapourware. Nvidia can state anything they want on paper, but until I can hold the card in my hands talk means nothing.
Do you consider the Radeon 9700 vaporware as well? That card is not available for sale yet either.
Originally posted by Lezmaka
Do you consider the Radeon 9700 vaporware as well? That card is not available for sale yet either.
Right on the money, Lezmaka. I haven't seen pictures of either card yet, nor have I seen any previews/reviews, or demos. In fact, I would venture a guess that NOBODY has ever held an R300 in their hands, or an NV30. I would love to see proof of either.
lol
mavis
Originally posted by mavis
Right on the money, Lezmaka. I haven't seen pictures of either card yet, nor have I seen any previews/reviews, or demos. In fact, I would venture a guess that NOBODY has ever held an R300 in their hands, or an NV30. I would love to see proof of either.
lol
mavis
Well, I have seen pictures of the card and read many previews that actually have numbers in them. So I would say that the R9700 is about as real as it gets. Even if it's not, it's still a hell of a lot more than I have seen of the NV30.
oh wait a minute ...
I was able to find this page at ATi.com (http://www.ati.com/products/pc/radeon9700/index.html), but I checked Nvidia.com and wasn't able to find anything at all about the NV30, no press releases, nothing. In fact, I even went so far as to search for "NV30" using thier site's search engine ... still, nothing. Maybe you could provide a link to some screenshots of the NV30, I mean assuming the card isn't actually "vaporware" at this point, there MUST be pictures circulating somewhere, right??
Oh well. ;)
mavis
Originally posted by SsP45
Well, I have seen pictures of the card and read many previews that actually have numbers in them. So I would say that the R9700 is about as real as it gets. Even if it's not, it's still a hell of a lot more than I have seen of the NV30.
damn, you beat me! I was just trying to make a point ...
:D
mavis
ps I'm just gonna keep ckecking back here for pics of the not-vaporware NV30 ... lol
Well, incase you don't believe me, here are some benchmark numbers. Notice the GeForce 4 Ti4600 with 4X FSAA compared to the Radeon 9700 with 4X FSAA.
http://www.cableone.net/dickhosch/bm3.jpg
http://www.cableone.net/dickhosch/bm6.jpg
http://www.cableone.net/dickhosch/bm9.jpg
http://www.cableone.net/dickhosch/bm12.jpg
In the above FSAA tests, the Radeon 9700 is faster than a Ti4600 even when 4X FSAA is enabled on the Radeon. That is not what I would call vapourware.
Lezmaka
07-28-02, 03:01 AM
According to you,
until I can hold the card in my hands talk means nothing.
My point was that you can't buy either card right now, and the only way to get one in your hands is if you know some people in high places.
The NV30 is vaporware because you can't hold it in your hands, but even though you can't do the same thing with the Radeon 9700, it's not vaporware. Makes perfect sense to me :rolleyes:
So basically, it looks like your head doesn't know where your ass is, or maybe it's cuz your head is in your ass.
Matthyahuw
07-28-02, 03:03 AM
Why do you think nVidia would lie about what the NV30 can do?
They eventually have to back it up, and I'm sure if they couldn't pull it off, they'd severely pay in some bad PR from the other camp (and especially from Kyle @ HardOCP).
I have no doubt nVidia can deliver on their claims.
And as far as I'm concered ATi's is the one that should be proving, not nVida, especially with their track record, and the way they told the previewers to portray the data in percentages only...very misleading...
Don't get me wrong, I think the R300 will be a kick-ass product, I just think the NV30 will be better...
SavagePaladin
07-28-02, 03:05 AM
I was under the impression the definition of vaporware was something you can't determine if its ever coming out, and I'm pretty positive nvidia will survive to the end of the year, and release it.
Originally posted by Matthyahuw
Why do you think nVidia would lie about what the NV30 can do?
They eventually have to back it up, and I'm sure if they couldn't pull it off, they'd severely pay in some bad PR from the other camp (and especially from Kyle @ HardOCP).
I have no doubt nVidia can deliver on their claims.
And as far as I'm concered ATi's is the one that should be proving, not nVida, especially with their track record, and the way they told the previewers to portray the data in percentages only...very misleading...
Don't get me wrong, I think the R300 will be a kick-ass product, I just think the NV30 will be better...
With the Radeon 9700, ATI has proven themselves.
analysts and rivals say Nvidia was several weeks late in sending its design specifications to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
If that is true, then it appears Nvidia had to redesign (at least partially) the NV30 to make it as fast or faster than the R300. If that's true, then ATI really did catch Nvidia off guard and released a product faster than Nvidia expected.
SavagePaladin
07-28-02, 03:24 AM
It could be that TSMC had told them they weren't ready to produce it.
Who knows, who cares.
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