CUDA made Nvidia lose its graphics crown?

[Heinz68]

OMFG that is hilarious. :headexplode:

X2 IS A CROSSFIRE CARD!
Do you also have problem counting?... or you can't see the difference between two or one cards.

Even NVIDIA can see the difference or why would they work on getting the performance crown back when they could simply say we have the GTX 280 SLI as top performance card.

[nekrosoft13]

Do you also have problem counting?... or you can't see the difference between two or one cards.


you are funny ketchup

read what you wrote again

I rather have a single card than SLI or Crosfire provided the performance is any close.

Doesn’t matter if it is single card, it uses crossfire system work. it needs build in crossfire profiles to work.

IT IS A CROSSFIRE CARD

only difference is that crossfire is done on the card, instead of motherboard.

[MrSavoy]

Today lowest prices at Newegg

GIGABYTE Radeon HD 4870 X2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=HD%204870%20X2&bop=And&Order=PRICE) $530
EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=GTX%20260%20216&bop=And&Order=PRICE) $300 x2 = $600

*I said about the same or close. To me 79 bucks is close and as the weeks pass the 260 216 prices will drop.

Plus the extra cost for the NVIDIA SLI chipset mobo. I rather have a single card than SLI or Crosfire provided the performance is any close.


*I'm assuming someone considering sli already has an sli board. It makes very little sense at this point in the game to buy one with an nv chipset if you have a current board that can already run any c2d/c2q.
Don't fool yourself into thinking just because the 4870x2 has 2 gpu's on one pcb that it doesn't have any scaling/driver issues, because it does just as crossfireX and sli does.
If anything nvidia is the one that has a leg up in the multiple gpu department with better multi gpu scaling drivers imo. Bear in mind whether it be 2 gpu's on 1 pcb or not not multi gpu solution is totally transparent to the user yet, albeit it's getting better.



I also believe there is going to be extra cost for X58 SLI mobo, anyway that requires complete and costly upgrade, few people are ready for.


All x58 chipset boards will support working sli/crossfire support out of the box without any added hardware. Only those wishing to use tri-sli will need the nf200 onboard and these boards will have at least 3 pci-e 16x slots for that end.
I'm not sur what extra costmyour refering too. It probably doesn't make sense to move to socket 1366 if you have a curret socket 775 system. However for me on an old socket 939 it does and I will be doing just that.

[Heinz68]

All x58 chipset boards will support working sli/crossfire support out of the box without any added hardware. Only those wishing to use tri-sli will need the nf200 onboard and these boards will have at least 3 pci-e 16x slots for that end.
I'm not sur what extra costmyour refering too. It probably doesn't make sense to move to socket 1366 if you have a curret socket 775 system. However for me on an old socket 939 it does and I will be doing just that.
Provided this is right and I did read few articles about this. Not every X58 will support SLI out off the box and not every mobo manufacturer might bother with the licence.
The first thing to note is that Nvidia expects the certification process to be complete on at least a few boards by the time X58 launches. The company’s representatives said the driver work is already done, it’s just a matter of running submitted boards through the certification process at Nvidia’s Santa Clara Certification Lab.
Read more at bit-tech.net (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08/28/more-on-x58-sli-support/1)
I do not have the Socket 775 system as you can see in my signature.

[MrSavoy]

Provided this is right and I did read few articles about this. Not every X58 will support SLI out off the box and not every mobo manufacturer might bother with the licence.

***What happened was Nvidia saw tha most motherboard makers weren't exactly too thrilled about having to pay nvidia roughly 40 bucks per board for the nf200 chip which isnt needed anyway, since its all driver controlled and as a result nvidia changed their tune. they decided to not lock sli on the driver level and as such any x58 board can run sli period. ONLY those looking to run Tri-SLI will need a board with an nf200 chip and those will be out soon I suspect as well, although not in abundance. The only stip Nvidia put on this situation is that they want to certify that the boards can and will run any sli configuration without issue. It's simply an OK from Nvidia that this board is good to go for sli. No chips, no money exchanged and no licenses required.***



I do not have the Socket 775 system as you can see in my signature.
So to sum up:
Every x58 can run sli without a problemand without any special Nvidia chip or otherwise.

[Heinz68]

you are funny ketchup

read what you wrote again



Doesn’t matter if it is single card, it uses crossfire system work. it needs build in crossfire profiles to work.

IT IS A CROSSFIRE CARD

only difference is that crossfire is done on the card, instead of motherboard.
You better read from the post 14 where the comparison was made but if the SINGLE card means nothing to you we can debate for ever. I certainly see there is a big difference especially when comparison is made.

Also I'm not ketchup to you so here the debate ends at least for me.

[ViN86]

You better read from the post 14 where the comparison was made but if the SINGLE card means nothing to you we can debate for ever. I certainly see there is a big difference especially when comparison is made.

Also I'm not ketchup to you so here the debate ends at least for me.
nekro is right.

just because it's on a single PCB does not mean it's one card. also, the system treats it as a crossfire setup.

[Heinz68]

nekro is right.

just because it's on a single PCB does not mean it's one card. also, the system treats it as a crossfire setup.
How many cards it's than.
Well when I made the point it was about the price and other advantages of having a single card not about how the system treats it and now even that advantage is gone and there is no way I can run 2 cards crossfire on my mobo so that's it for me.

[ViN86]

well, if youre going to say that a single card design is greater than a multi-card setup, which is often a valid argument since SLi/Crossfire drivers are buggy (esp. in Vista).

but that argument doesnt work here, since while the card may be a single PCB, it utilizes a crossfire setup.

[jimmyjames123]

Wake up and smell the coffee (or ketchup?) Heinz.

Any X2 card will potentially need a special Crossfire profile in order to have optimal performance and scaling in gaming titles, just as any Crossfire/SLI system would. And in the games where Crossfire/SLI doesn't scale well, the X2 won't have any significant performance advantage over a single 4870. That's not the case with a true single "monolithic" gpu.

As for the cost/benefit analysis, that's incorrect too. A GTX 260 Core 216 can be found on newegg right now for $275 after rebate, and the prices will be dropping fast too, so a pair of those will be about $500-550, while offering as good or BETTER performance than the 4870X2 in most games. And the older GTX 260's are now going for as low as $220 after rebate, which makes a GTX 260 SLI system only a bit north of $400, with higher performance than the X2 in many cases.

[Heinz68]

Wake up and smell the coffee (or ketchup?) Heinz.

Any X2 card will potentially need a special Crossfire profile in order to have optimal performance and scaling in gaming titles, just as any Crossfire/SLI system would. And in the games where Crossfire/SLI doesn't scale well, the X2 won't have any significant performance advantage over a single 4870. That's not the case with a true single "monolithic" gpu.

As for the cost/benefit analysis, that's incorrect too. A GTX 260 Core 216 can be found on newegg right now for $275 after rebate, and the prices will be dropping fast too, so a pair of those will be about $500-550, while offering as good or BETTER performance than the 4870X2 in most games. And the older GTX 260's are now going for as low as $220 after rebate, which makes a GTX 260 SLI system only a bit north of $400, with higher performance than the X2 in many cases.

Well you wake and I'm not going to say what you can smell, the comparison was made about single card advantages not about games "where Crossfire/SLI doesn't scale well". The other recommended set-up was 2 card SLI so the game scaling problem if any would apply to both. Yes everybody knows the x2 refers to two GPU but the advantage off single card set up I did mention is still there.

In both cases the comparison was made on prices without rebate at newegg the retailer used the most when price comparison are made.

Yes prices change some time daily and that will also apply to 4870 line up. Couple weeks ago PowerColor HD 4870 was listed at newegg at $499.99. So the prices changes depending on demand, popularity or need to clear inventory.

Last week I could have buy Diamond HD 4870 x2 for 499 CAD after rebate at NCIX, which is about 444 USD.

Yes the advantage of single card setup is still there as you can see on my setup I can't use 2 card crossfire same like some other setup has no use for 2 cards SLI or crossfire.

So for many such setup also requires additional cost.

I could have also say that the 4870 cards scale much better with higher AA or resolution use well documented on many reviews, so I hope you don't want to argue that.

Beside just about every review picked up the HD 4870 x2 as top performance single card on the market today so I hope you also don't want to argue that.

[hell_of_doom227]

You are so full of it, you never provide links to back anything up.

Since i got my card i didn't touch control panel at all in sense of changing settings in order to make some game work propertly. For every new game Drivers/Control Panel have SLI profile ready. I got new Brother's in Arm game and thought probably SLI wont work for now, i checked control panel and profile was there, and game runs perfect. Nvidia support is so good, and i can tell you that SLI scaling in the games is unbelievable good with GTX280, almost perfect. ATI users have to wait for a month at least before they get their crossfire enabled. That means your HD4870X2 will run as single HD4870 in meantime. Also with Nvidia control panel you can create your own if you want.

That's why i said that SLI GTX260 is better deal then HD4870X2. Extra 50$ are worth not waiting for driver update. Also CCC is not really intuitive especially Profile part which is :thumbdwn:
If i was 'ATI' first thing i would do is to rewrite display panel.

[Tr1cK]

blah blah (more bias drivel with no basis or links to back it up)

More of your opinions huh? I think the owners of the cards can provide better feedback than you with zero experience.

[Heinz68]

+1

[Xion X2]

ATI users have to wait for a month at least before they get their crossfire enabled. That means your HD4870X2 will run as single HD4870 in meantime.

You are more full of sh!t than a cow pasture after a full-course dinner.

GRID worked in Crossfire from day one and so did Stalker Clear Sky and Crysis Warhead. Most games do work just fine from day one. If not, ATI always has a driver out within 1-2 weeks to fix the issue.

That's why i said that SLI GTX260 is better deal then HD4870X2.

Why, exactly? Because it's more expensive (who cares about rebates that you may never see or get 6 months from now), because it runs on an inferior chipset (not Intel), because it consumes more power, because it has inferior AA scaling, because it doesn't support DX10.1 or because it takes up two PCI-E slots on your motherboard instead of just one?

Just where is the advantage? Tell me. Oh that's right, CUDA. The all-so-popular tech that has software support sitting on every store shelf. Oh wait.. err.. that's right. It doesn't exist.

Crossfire support for HD4870X2 sucks. You're like 50/50 there and in my book is not worth over GTX260 in SLI.

Yeah, who wants to see 80-110% gains on average?

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116585

:rolleyes:

Tell you what, pal. Instead of you spouting your tired, insecure, ill-informed bullsh!t on every thread, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I'll put a single X2 up against your 280 sli setup any day of the week. And if I really want to put a hurting on you, I'll fire up the second one and whip you like a rented mule.

Because Crossfire scaling sucks according to you, right? What have you got to lose?

If you can summon the will, instead of the ill-informed trash you like to talk, then venture on over here and post some benches with recorded frapslogs:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=119059

[Digital_Trans]

Interesting topic!

[Dreamingawake]

not

[noko]

Cuda is a very cool thing and allows better access to the GPU for computing. Great job by Nvdia. OpenCL should make this available to all GPU's. I don't think CUDA had any effect on gaming stuff but other graphics using CUDA you can say Nvidia does indeed have the current non gaming graphics crown :D. As for who has the perfomance crown now, as far as I am concerned it is so close it is utterly insignficant, game play for the most part is just as equal using Nvidia or ATI hardware for roughly the same price. So I say to folks, go for the best deal may it be Nvidia or ATI.

The 4850X2, while I think it is initially priced too high, should be less then $350 with the 4870 1mb verison less then $260 is kinda excitting for gamers and maybe video professionals with four monitor support using both GPU's.

[Tho Jo Smale]

QFT.

The Performance crown is in Nvidia's hands, but once you factor in the price ATI is very competitive. If you like green or you like red you still have good options throughout the price lineup.

Also you can do GTX 260 SLI for the price of a HD4870X2 so that would be a better comparison there.

I don't like green or red.....I like money in my pocket and performance in my PC.....so right now ATI gets my cash.....they really pulled a great product outta their ass..and deserve the support.

never forget the reason that those gtx280 and 260's are affordable.....is the 4800 series.....why do people always fanboi it up.....it's your money spend it where you like. Do your research look @ the benchies of games that you actually play....then buy whatever the hell you want.


As far as Troll_of_doom goes....he's proven his blind fanboi ways far too many times to recount.


JC

[snowmanwithahat]

I'dl ike to point out... that through CUDA, it's made using older graphics cards as a physx card possible..... this alone completely justifies the time and money nvidia has spent on it.... come on, who doesn't want a more realistic game?

[JasonPC]

CUDA seems like a good investment. It's very marketable and hopefully there will be a benefit to it when developers get a chance to make good use of it. And are they really that far behind AMD? They still have the fastest single GPU solution.

[v3rninater]

You are more full of sh!t than a cow pasture after a full-course dinner.

GRID worked in Crossfire from day one and so did Stalker Clear Sky and Crysis Warhead. Most games do work just fine from day one. If not, ATI always has a driver out within 1-2 weeks to fix the issue.



Why, exactly? Because it's more expensive (who cares about rebates that you may never see or get 6 months from now), because it runs on an inferior chipset (not Intel), because it consumes more power, because it has inferior AA scaling, because it doesn't support DX10.1 or because it takes up two PCI-E slots on your motherboard instead of just one?

Just where is the advantage? Tell me. Oh that's right, CUDA. The all-so-popular tech that has software support sitting on every store shelf. Oh wait.. err.. that's right. It doesn't exist.



Yeah, who wants to see 80-110% gains on average?

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116585

:rolleyes:

Tell you what, pal. Instead of you spouting your tired, insecure, ill-informed bullsh!t on every thread, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I'll put a single X2 up against your 280 sli setup any day of the week. And if I really want to put a hurting on you, I'll fire up the second one and whip you like a rented mule.

Because Crossfire scaling sucks according to you, right? What have you got to lose?

If you can summon the will, instead of the ill-informed trash you like to talk, then venture on over here and post some benches with recorded frapslogs:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=119059

Well if ATI crossfire is soooo great then why do you have a 260 in your computer...I understand Doom has really no experience in this case. And I thought you had X2's before why did you switch back over!?

[mtl]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10623&Itemid=40&limit=1&limitstart=1

new 260 crushes the 4870.

[hemmy]

Those 4870 #s seem low to me (I do not own one so I could not say for sure)