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Beavermatic
10-08-08, 10:28 AM
Just purchased a new BFG Geforce GTX280 (1gb, pcx2.0, etc etc), upgrading from a BFG Geforce 8800GTX...

plopped it in my new system (Q9550, 4GB RAM, ASUS STRIKER EXTREME BOARD (680i), 750GB seagate sata drive, 800w BFG power supply, win vista ultimate 64bit (fresh image).

Of course, like any good gamer would do, I loaded up crysis, and switched all settings to very high. I've never used AA (hate anything that affects the performance of my card), so I leave it disabled.

I have some sort of Gateway 22 inch flatscreen monitor, 4ms response time, 1680x1050 top res.

And no doubt, the card indeed slammed Crysis against the wall. Run's like a dream.


I then hopped on the net to compare specs of my newly purchased GTX280 to other cards, just to see the differences. I've been a long time Nvidia fan, began purchasing the top-end card back back to the Geforce 2 Ultra, have purchased every genreation of top-end card since then (skipping the 9800 series, mind you).

While comparing specs, I noticed this "4870x2" from ATI. I was fully aware of the 4870, and I knew that it failed to outthrone the GTX280, but this "x2" version snuck up on me, as I seldomly pay attention to ATI cards.

Sitting there reviewing, I suddenly realized that this "x2" card, for another $70, in some cases nearly double the perfomance of this GTX280.

I felt hoodwinked.

I then began looking for excuses on why my card was better, trying to fight that sudden depression that I purchased a sub-par card at the time for nearly the same price as the competitors.

It started to ease me after reading that the "x2" uses nearly double power consumption, has extreme heat temps, poor for overclocking, lackluster driver support, no multi-gpu support for older games (thus running at the speeds of a single 4870), and suffers from microstuttering and common dual PCB issues.

On top of it, I tried to come to grips that is was indeed a dual-gpu card, and thus one cannot really compare it to a single GPU card, as even nvidia has their own (gx2's). It sort of brought ease knowing that my card still had a faster single-gpu (compared to 1 of the 2 gpu's on the x2) which still slammed any current game.

Though, it was still enough to pain me.

I still wonder if I made the right decision in purchasing this GTX280, when for less than $100 more, I could have had something easily trumping it. My eager compulsive need to "keep up with the jones's" is torturing me. The gtx280 does keep the framerates hgiher than I'll need for time being, and competes decently against the "X2" for being a single gpu card, but the power of this 4870x2 is tempting.

So today, here I stand, only 48 hours after receiving my GTX280, with another $600 in my hand to burn, and am debating whether to purchase a 4870x2, or another GTX280 to SLI (but I noted that even the GTX280 SLI still fails to oust the 4870x2 in some cases, if even slightly).



Its been running through my mind to do neither of the above as well, and just to "wait it out", thinking surely sometime soon, nvidia will have a new card out the door to oust the 4870x2.

Today, I come here, in somewhat of a frenzy, to know.... what should I do? I dont really want to leave nvidia behind, but the tempting of the 4870x2 is just so overwhelming, I want it, or something that competes with it.

Help me. Please. My ears are wide open.

Tr1cK
10-08-08, 10:31 AM
Send it to me and your worries will be gone.

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 10:36 AM
possibly, if the decision to sell it is made, I was considering reselling if for $300.....

But im a bit indecisive... I will wait out to see what others say first.

Kowan
10-08-08, 11:56 AM
Just get a X2. You know you want to.
I'm thinking of building a Nehalem box with a X2 so I can game again.
I'm folding 24/7 on my 280s and the new box will allow gaming on which ever system gets less PPD. ATM, nVidia cards are folding monsters. :)

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 12:02 PM
folding? not sure what the term means... mind filling me in a bit?

could you possibly be referring to folding@home? for the SETI project and stuff? does CUDA take use of that?

Lfctony
10-08-08, 12:03 PM
Damn, all these lucky people and their magic 280s... Should I take my 280s back and ask for 2 magic ones?

nekrosoft13
10-08-08, 12:36 PM
So today, here I stand, only 48 hours after receiving my GTX280, with another $600 in my hand to burn, and am debating whether to purchase a 4870x2, or another GTX280 to SLI (but I noted that even the GTX280 SLI still fails to oust the 4870x2 in some cases, if even slightly).



keep what you have. for few reasons

1) GTX 280 more and enough for 1680x1050
2) Single GPU systems are far less trouble then multi-gpu, no profiles to worry about, no performance lost in games that might not like multi-gpu solutions
3) save your money, new cards will be out sometime around Dec/January from the looks of it.
4) GTX 280 is cheaper then x2

Tr1cK
10-08-08, 01:50 PM
keep what you have. for few reasons

1) GTX 280 more and enough for 1680x1050
2) Single GPU systems are far less trouble then multi-gpu, no profiles to worry about, no performance lost in games that might not like multi-gpu solutions
3) save your money, new cards will be out sometime around Dec/January from the looks of it.
4) GTX 280 is cheaper then x2

NO! He should send it to me. I called first dibs!

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 01:53 PM
so recommendations are 50/50 so far... 1 to keep and 1 for the 4870x2 (exceptioning out the "send it to me" comment)

anyone else?

Bman212121
10-08-08, 01:59 PM
Keep the GTX 280.

LitHiuM
10-08-08, 02:09 PM
Keep. No brainer imo

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 03:19 PM
Leaning so far to keep it,

also, another deciding factor is when to expect the Core i7 processors to come out. I may save my extra $$$ to upgrade to that, if they are coming out in the next couple of months... though ive heard they may not be out until oct 2009... so in that case, I am looking to spend these funds on something thats either out allready or will be out within the next couple of months...

Toss3
10-08-08, 03:32 PM
I'd keep it if you don't use any AA and only play crysis. If you plan on upgrading to a bigger monitor soon, I'd exchange it for the 4870x2.

The GTX 280 is a great card, don't get me wrong, but the 4870x2 is the stronger of the two, and the microstuttering some people mentioned(people who have never even used the card to begin with) is not noticeable at all on the x2. I've actually used both during my last job, granted I never got to spend much time with either, but at least I've tried 'em both and dug the 4870x2 more.
It's also cool to know that you have the fastest card on the market! ;) (Nvidia's drivers are still way better though, but that might be because I'm used to the nvidia control panel.)

Labyrinth
10-08-08, 03:34 PM
Dude...you've only got a monitor that goes up to 1680 x 1050. One GTX 280 is already overkill for that resolution.
I'd say keep it and wait to see what nvidia brings us at the end of the year.
Or sell the GTX 280 along with your 22" monitor and get an X2 along with a 30" monitor.

Toss3
10-08-08, 03:39 PM
Dude...you've only got a monitor that goes up to 1680 x 1050. One GTX 280 is already overkill for that resolution.
I'd say keep it and wait to see what nvidia brings us at the end of the year.
Or sell the GTX 280 along with your 22" monitor and get an X2 along with a 30" monitor.

Or just get a 4870 1Gb for now and get a 24 inch monitor + another 4870 1gb later!

nekrosoft13
10-08-08, 03:57 PM
Or just get a 4870 1Gb for now and get a 24 inch monitor + another 4870 1gb later!

that would require a PC upgrade

ASUS STRIKER EXTREME BOARD (680i),

with all the changes to happen soon. just keep what you have. there really is no point to go either SLI or get X2 especially at the resolution you are playing at.

Dreamingawake
10-08-08, 04:07 PM
you best bet would be to;

enjoy what you have.

maybe go practice some meditation to detach yourself emotionally from physical objects.

trust me. if you get a 4870x2 you will still be in the exact same situation.

it's all in your head.

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 04:09 PM
you best bet would be to;

it's all in your head.


the neurologists and psychatrists have been telling me that for years :captnkill:

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 04:12 PM
Okay, I've heard enough.


I'm keeping with what I have.

I'm going to take that $600 extra i have, stick it in a bank, and add to it, so when the next plaftorm and chipsets come out, the next video card, processor, I'll just dump it all on a news system at that point.

many thanks for the help folks!

Tr1cK
10-08-08, 04:14 PM
Okay, I've heard enough.


I'm keeping with what I have.

I'm going to take that $600 extra i have, stick it in a bank, and add to it, so when the next plaftorm and chipsets come out, the next video card, processor, I'll just dump it all on a news system at that point.

many thanks for the help folks!

Great idea!

XDanger
10-08-08, 04:33 PM
Keep it, When the new ones come out you can use it for physx ;)

hell_of_doom227
10-08-08, 04:41 PM
If you're going with bigger monitor, that's where you need GTX280. I own SLIGTX280 never had any issue with multi GPU support. It really works awesome especially in Crysis.
I'm waiting for price drop to get third GTX280 - Tri SLI is coming :D

Beavermatic
10-08-08, 05:08 PM
If you're going with bigger monitor, that's where you need GTX280. I own SLIGTX280 never had any issue with multi GPU support. It really works awesome especially in Crysis.
I'm waiting for price drop to get third GTX280 - Tri SLI is coming :D


Coming from the guy with the VOODOO 5 logo as their avatar?

lol, im not making fun of you, just funny to still see that box art logo floating around :)

Kowan
10-08-08, 05:26 PM
Yes Folding @ Home is what I was referring to. Trying to find a cure for diseases/cancer.
I wouldn't waste my power bill on Seti.
Folding@home (http://folding.stanford.edu/)
My notebook, (8600M GS) and PS3 also fold. :)

XDanger
10-08-08, 05:54 PM
Okay, I've heard enough.
I'm keeping with what I have.

I'm going to take that $600 extra i have, stick it in a bank
Ahh a risk taker I see...