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simmo
05-19-03, 12:39 PM
hi guys,
its me first post so please be kind.
im in the market for a new card, it looks like it will be a fx5600 or a Ti4800, could you please help me decide which one, or tell me of a better card of similar cost.
also will the Ti4800 run ok with DX9.
please dont tell me i need a rad, coz i know that i dont.
thanks all.

cheers
simmo :afro2:

PreservedSwine
05-19-03, 01:09 PM
I'd take the Ti4800, cheaper and faster. The DX9 on the 5600, IMO, will be largely wasted. By the time any app requires DX9 hardware, the 5600 will be long gone. The Ti will run on DX9 just fine, you just won't have any DX9 features.

simmo
05-19-03, 01:20 PM
thanks mate, so the Ti4800 is still a good card then, and should hold its own for a bit yet.
i just cant bring myself to pay all that money out on a fx5800 or a fx5900, you know what i mean.

cheers
simmo :angel:

ps. how do the Ti4600 compare, if you can find one.

BigFish7
05-19-03, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by simmo
thanks mate, so the Ti4800 is still a good card then, and should hold its own for a bit yet.
i just cant bring myself to pay all that money out on a fx5800 or a fx5900, you know what i mean.

cheers
simmo :angel:

ps. how do the Ti4600 compare, if you can find one.
if i were you i might have waited for the 5600U (new core) it's going to kick ass with 400/400 core/mem speed...(i guess it is going to cost 200$+- ~) way better choice for extra 50$.

p.s you'll be As :angel: when you get this :firedevil

PreservedSwine
05-19-03, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by BigFish7
if i were you i might have waited for the 5600U (new core) it's going to kick ass with 400/400 core/mem speed...(i guess it is going to cost 200$+- ~) way better choice for extra 50$.

p.s you'll be As :angel: when you get this :firedevil

I don't know about that. The FX5600 has ALOT of catching up to do http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=fx5600&page=5

With FSAA and AF, I'm sure the FX5600 will outperform the Geforce4Ti4600. But without- the Ti4600 is by far outperforming the FX5600

Dazz
05-19-03, 02:12 PM
That is an FX5600 none Ultra (TSOP memory)

FX5600: 325 / 550MHz
FX5600 Ultra: 375 / 700MHz rev 1.0 (currenly out)
FX5600 Ultra: 400 / 800MHz rev 1.1 (TBA)

simmo
05-19-03, 02:31 PM
so is the Ti4800 a better card than the Ti4600, it looks that its better than the fx5600, i have not bought a card yet im trying to find the right one for the money.
thanks guys

cheers
simmo :D

MUYA
05-19-03, 02:42 PM
Dude, if you are gonna play with AA and AF, I wouldn't get a Geforce 4 Ti card. I have a Ti4200 and can overclock it significantly but still, the aniso bug can be limiting.
Maybe the 5600U is a better option or maybe jumping ships for a 9500pro? But serioulsy man, using AF will cause a major performance loss.

Regards,
MUYA

simmo
05-19-03, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by MUYA
Dude, if you are gonna play with AA and AF, I wouldn't get a Geforce 4 Ti card. I have a Ti4200 and can overclock it significantly but still, the aniso bug can be limiting.
Maybe the 5600U is a better option or maybe jumping ships for a 9500pro? But serioulsy man, using AF will cause a major performance loss.

Regards,
MUYA

no mate, all i will do is put it in and run it stock, the only reason im looking is coz its time to build a new pc, the old one is just tooooo slow, so all i want is a good card for the mony without the probs a rad will bring.
keep it coming guys.

cheers
simmo :D

Deimos
05-19-03, 03:06 PM
You do know that ExtremeTech has run a performance/value comparision not that long ago, don't you?

Article @ ET (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1061518,00.asp)

Essentially the RADs won, but since they don't seem to interest you I would recommend a FX5600U instead.

/Deimos

BigFish7
05-19-03, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by simmo
no mate, all i will do is put it in and run it stock, the only reason im looking is coz its time to build a new pc, the old one is just tooooo slow, so all i want is a good card for the mony without the probs a rad will bring.
keep it coming guys.

cheers
simmo :D
i think the best thing to do is go for the 5600U (new rev 1.1)
i don't know how much would it cost and how would it perform. (5600U vs 9500pro) i guess on price terms the pro is a better choise but for performence i might wait and see...
i think you should do the same wait and see...

PreservedSwine
05-19-03, 04:37 PM
Am I missing something here?:confused:

Simmo just said he doesn't care about AA and AF, yet you would reccomed a $200+5600ULTRA over a Ti4200 or Ti4600, that peform very equally when no AA and no AF are activated, and the Ti card is about $50-$100 dollars less expensive?

:confused:

StealthHawk
05-19-03, 05:15 PM
If you don't care about FSAA or AF then the gf4TI4800 is clearly the better buy.

Grrrpoop
05-19-03, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
If you don't care about FSAA or AF then the gf4TI4800 is clearly the better buy.
Agreed, it whups the FX5600U and 9500P in non-AA modes.

Trouble is, it's still quite a bit more expensive than the 9500P in the UK :-\

Still a v. good card tho, must be why it's holding its price so well ;)

Dazz
05-19-03, 06:41 PM
I thought the Radeon 9500Pro was just as fast as the Ti4800 w/o AF/FSAA? But was faster when they where enabled.

Clockwork
05-19-03, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
I thought the Radeon 9500Pro was just as fast as the Ti4800 w/o AF/FSAA? But was faster when they where enabled.

Yes, but Simmo is clearly biased and does not want an ATi card.

:rolleyes:

Grrrpoop
05-19-03, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
I thought the Radeon 9500Pro was just as fast as the Ti4800 w/o AF/FSAA? But was faster when they where enabled.
Nah, sits between Ti4200 and Ti4800 in terms of performance w/o AA or AF :)

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-11.html#unreal_tournament_2003

annnnd

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-17.html

also: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-14.html

Clockwork: I don't think that's the best way to convince him to try new technology..

Clockwork
05-19-03, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Grrrpoop

Clockwork: I don't think that's the best way to convince him to try new technology.. [/B]

Oops, sorry....my bad. :(

Just hate it when people set up a brick wall and say things like this:


please dont tell me i need a rad, coz i know that i dont.


I would have said the same thing had this been about him getting a Radeon and not even considering an nV card.

Grrrpoop
05-19-03, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Clockwork
Oops, sorry....my bad. :(

Just hate it when people set up a brick wall and say things like this:
hehe nps :)

tbh I was pretty against nV recently, I still won't even consider an FX5200, 5600 or 5800, but the FX5900 looks like a sweet card, tho sadly out of my price range.

So I guess I would have been one of those ppl that would irritate u with their closed-mindedness ;) I'm still dead set on getting an ATI card as there doesn't appear to be a direct competitor for the 9700non-pro, it's just a funny little niche all of its own that nVidia doesn't have covered atm cos of the gap between 5600U and 5800nU.

Maybe if I hold off a while some nV35 derived budget parts will appear to tempt me over to nVidia :D

Perhaps if simmo could mention why ATI cards aren't an option it would clear things up. The most popular seems to be preconceived ideas about driver quality (that ATI are dire and nVidia are and always will be the Golden Standard - that's such a gh3y phrase btw).

But anyway, if simmo is determined to go with nVidia regardless of whether it's currently the best choice is up to him, lets just make sure he doesn't overspend on a turkey ;)

Deimos
05-20-03, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
If you don't care about FSAA or AF then the gf4TI4800 is clearly the better buy. No it isn't. The FX series brings a better DX9-support to the table, which is actually worth something if he is building a whole new rig and wants it to last a while.

If he does not care about DX9, then he should get a GF4TI4600 instead and save a few bucks from the TI4800. AGP 8x certainly doesn't make a lot of difference for the moment.

So yes, I would recomment a FX5600U if he feels he can put down that extra cash. But it is of course only my opinion and recommendation. Hopefully he will listen to all of us and then make up his own mind.

/Deimos

BigFish7
05-20-03, 03:42 AM
if he doesn't want AA and AF then hell yeah the 4800Ti is the best choise however wouldn't it be better to use these nice options for geting a nice boost in IQ and being able to play future games like doom3 (with really nice FPS, from what we have seen so far) and all this for extra 50$? i think it's a better thnig to do (btw it would last way longer then an Ti48000)...
once again just a thought :rolleyes:

StealthHawk
05-20-03, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Deimos
No it isn't. The FX series brings a better DX9-support to the table, which is actually worth something if he is building a whole new rig and wants it to last a while.

If he does not care about DX9, then he should get a GF4TI4600 instead and save a few bucks from the TI4800. AGP 8x certainly doesn't make a lot of difference for the moment.

So yes, I would recomment a FX5600U if he feels he can put down that extra cash. But it is of course only my opinion and recommendation. Hopefully he will listen to all of us and then make up his own mind.

/Deimos

I question how fast the gfFX5600 will perform in DX9 games. I also question when DX9 games will come out.

Honestly, if DX9 is a factor, I would just recommend getting an ATI card at midrange.

DSC
05-20-03, 05:09 AM
I'd wait and see for NV36(FX5700?). 2003 is sure an insane year, new chip releases every 2-3 months or so.... :D :p

Grrrpoop
05-20-03, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by BigFish7
if he doesn't want AA and AF then hell yeah the 4800Ti is the best choise however wouldn't it be better to use these nice options for geting a nice boost in IQ and being able to play future games like doom3 (with really nice FPS, from what we have seen so far) and all this for extra 50$? i think it's a better thnig to do (btw it would last way longer then an Ti48000)...
once again just a thought :rolleyes:
In todays games (which is what he'll be playing for the rest of the year I imagine ;)) the Ti4800 would be the best.

But you DO have a point, the FX5600Ultra did surprisingly well in the Doom3 engine benchmark, so maybe it's a bit of a sleeper, and will prove itself with tomorrows games..?

Personally I'm hoping to get a 9700np soon, which beats the Ti4800 at everything :D DX9, great without aa/af, great WITH aa/af :)

DSC: any idea on proposed release dates for nV36 cards?

DSC
05-20-03, 05:16 AM
See Uttar's GPU:RW for all the latest info and rumours on NV36.

http://www.notforidiots.com/GPURW.php

;) :)

Just in case anyone wonder, NV36 is the refresh of NV31, like NV35 is the refresh of NV30.