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mailman2
10-11-08, 08:29 PM
http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/10/10/fallout3_leaked/

Cliffy - Looks like "all your games belong to us".

Console games are easier to pirate due to the lack of changing DRM like PCs have. You dont need a new no DVD fix (crack) everytime a patch comes out. Once the device is cracked you are all set to pirate away! Its not just the XBOX360 either - PSP, Wii, DS, etc can all be hacked to allow backups to be played.

I've known this but seeing more and more on console piracy recently is really amusing considering the way CliffyB just loves to attack the platform that gave him his start. I didn't realize that so many upcoming 360 games (Fracture, Saints Row 2, NBA 2K9, Blitz: The League II, and now Fallout 3) has already been pirated! Even GOW2 has been leaked! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13172120&postcount=1045)

Here's hoping CliffyB actually sees that article.

evox
10-11-08, 08:46 PM
Old news: http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120822

BTW, CliffyB is out licking windows. Cause that's what retards do.

mailman2
10-11-08, 08:57 PM
yea, but its not just fallout 3. That group has released all those other ones too before release. Even his precious baby GOW2!!

evox
10-11-08, 08:58 PM
yea, but its not just fallout 3. That group has released all those other ones too before release. Even his precious baby GOW2!!
No wai man. There's absolutely positively no wai xbox360 gets pirated. PC gamers are pirates, not X360 players. :)

K007
10-11-08, 09:08 PM
wait...gow2 is already arr?

ClosetFanBoy
10-11-08, 09:14 PM
He's sittin on a pile of money kickin it with some fine assed poozy. Example:

COD4 for PC: 53,000 downloads
COD4 for 360: 3000 downloads

To date, one site mind you. But yea I'm sure Cliffy is well aware that the 360 can be pirated, and I'm sure he's aware there are greater risks doing so on the 360 then PC, which is partly what he basis his decisions on I'm sure.

I love my PC and all, but if I were a dev, console first, no brainer.

omzig
10-11-08, 09:15 PM
LOL thats too funny that GOWII already got ripped off i cant wait to see ciffyB eat crow....

So what now Cliffyb? will you be following your own train of thought on piracy & taking GOWIII to PS3 as an exclusive as its the only one of the consoles not hacked yet

Medion
10-11-08, 09:24 PM
http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/10/10/fallout3_leaked/

Cliffy - Looks like "all your games belong to us".

Console games are easier to pirate due to the lack of changing DRM like PCs have. You dont need a new no DVD fix (crack) everytime a patch comes out. Once the device is cracked you are all set to pirate away! Its not just the XBOX360 either - PSP, Wii, DS, etc can all be hacked to allow backups to be played.

I've known this but seeing more and more on console piracy recently is really amusing considering the way CliffyB just loves to attack the platform that gave him his start. I didn't realize that so many upcoming 360 games (Fracture, Saints Row 2, NBA 2K9, Blitz: The League II, and now Fallout 3) has already been pirated! Even GOW2 has been leaked! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13172120&postcount=1045)

Here's hoping CliffyB actually sees that article.

You forgot some simple, common sense issues.

-Pirating games on a console requires some real tech savy. You generally need to do some kind of hardware modification. Even pirating on a PSP now requires a certain tool that I've become proficient with (I don't use it for pirating).

-By comparison, pirating games on a PC requires an internet connection, patience, and then installation. All of the pirating is done for you, and I've seen some very computer illiterate retards play pirated games.

-Piracy is severely impacting PC game sales. Consoles, however, have a MUCH smaller percentages of pirates (though the handhelds seem to be significantly higher than the standalone consoles, still nowhere near PC levels).

ASUSEN7900GTX
10-11-08, 09:26 PM
it is said that there is a way to crack the PS3 it is one guy and he wont realese the info on how to

as said it is hear say

i have nothing like hard evidence since obvioulsy no one else has done it

ASUSEN7900GTX
10-11-08, 09:30 PM
can this piracy thjat has been ongoing since late 90s kill PC as a gameing platform?

i mean sure devs see PC as soon to usless to make games for due to piracy.
But then again alot of consoles are pirated too whats next all devs quit no more games no more devs what then?

i must say the human race as it is , is very selfdestructive we destroy all good things global warming wars alot of them everywhere adn now gaming is dying due to internet, broadband and piracy.

so what do we do then make new types of gaming devices?

naah quit it all togehter and piracy dies and wait a while the re-surface and maybe just maybe piracy is dead?

naah i dont kow im tired so im just mumbling out loud

omzig
10-11-08, 09:43 PM
You forgot some simple, common sense issues.

-Pirating games on a console requires some real tech savy. You generally need to do some kind of hardware modification. Even pirating on a PSP now requires a certain tool that I've become proficient with (I don't use it for pirating).

-By comparison, pirating games on a PC requires an internet connection, patience, and then installation. All of the pirating is done for you, and I've seen some very computer illiterate retards play pirated games.

-Piracy is severely impacting PC game sales. Consoles, however, have a MUCH smaller percentages of pirates (though the handhelds seem to be significantly higher than the standalone consoles, still nowhere near PC levels).

Your over looking a few things here

1. for less than the cost of a single game you can send your console away to get hacked...once thats done your away and free to rip any game you want

2.well see 1 once thats done these 2 are equal

3.You over look the massive trade in sales of copied console games,here in the UK every car boot sale i ever went to had masses of ps2 psp ds and 360 games for sale,only once did i see a guy selling PC games and not many ppl where stopping to look at his table the console guys on the other hand...ppl where around them like flies around ****

mailman2
10-11-08, 09:54 PM
You forgot some simple, common sense issues.

-Pirating games on a console requires some real tech savy. You generally need to do some kind of hardware modification. Even pirating on a PSP now requires a certain tool that I've become proficient with (I don't use it for pirating).

-By comparison, pirating games on a PC requires an internet connection, patience, and then installation. All of the pirating is done for you, and I've seen some very computer illiterate retards play pirated games.

-Piracy is severely impacting PC game sales. Consoles, however, have a MUCH smaller percentages of pirates (though the handhelds seem to be significantly higher than the standalone consoles, still nowhere near PC levels).



Well I can tell you from experience the PSP is not very hard. I've got some friends who aren't all that bright that went out bought PSPs and cracked them - seriously I thought they would end up with bricked units... so it doesnt take much, just the ability to follow a few instructions to crack a console. I also know a few guys that mod 360's and it takes all of about 15 mins to do it if you know what you are doing. Something like this doesnt even have to be known by the person - if you just know someone that hacks them, problem solved.

To pirate 360 games isn't anymore difficult that PC - download the image, burn it to dual layer disk, play. No cracks, no updated cracks to wait for... its easier than cracking a PC game... just burn it!

Consoles piracy will increase. Where I work there are a few guys that hack 360's. Over the last few years people have went out and bought a 360 just to have him crack it.... overtime more and more people are giving him their 360's to get cracked. The one benefit of the console is that they are outdated and move onto a new platform which takes time for people to figure out how to mod them again. That is the only deterrant.

jAkUp
10-11-08, 10:01 PM
I believe you cannot go online on a hacked console, is this correct?

mailman2
10-11-08, 10:04 PM
I believe you cannot go online on a hacked console, is this correct?

No, thats incorrect. most releases are stealth cracked. You can play on live with stealth cracked games.

K007
10-11-08, 10:04 PM
You forgot some simple, common sense issues.

-Pirating games on a console requires some real tech savy. You generally need to do some kind of hardware modification. Even pirating on a PSP now requires a certain tool that I've become proficient with (I don't use it for pirating).

-By comparison, pirating games on a PC requires an internet connection, patience, and then installation. All of the pirating is done for you, and I've seen some very computer illiterate retards play pirated games.

-Piracy is severely impacting PC game sales. Consoles, however, have a MUCH smaller percentages of pirates (though the handhelds seem to be significantly higher than the standalone consoles, still nowhere near PC levels).

by tech savy you mean, people just need to be able to use google...if they can't do that..then well :headexplode:

Also if i am not mistaken, pirated games can be played online on the Console, where as PC, there is no chance without a valid serial key.

Most of my friends have already cracked there 360/psp.

K007
10-11-08, 10:06 PM
I believe you cannot go online on a hacked console, is this correct?

Apparently you can Jakup. Unlike PC games where a valid key is needed to get online, a pirated console has no limitation on playing online. So a Pirated 360 CoD4 player can play online where as a Pirated PC Cod4 will only be able to play the singleplayer and will not be able to get online without a valid key, and the only way to get one is through a purchase of the product.

jcrox
10-11-08, 10:37 PM
We've got a couple of kids in our neighborhood that download 360 games claiming their playing a bunch of games that are currently unreleased. Think I might have to stop over and check out exactly how they do this and what kind of "tech savvy" one needs to do this because really, they're dumb as all get out.

NaitoSan
10-11-08, 10:48 PM
I'm wondering CliffyB's fuss about pirating actually encourages people to start pirating on consoles now. If so, that's pretty shame on CliffyB and people who pirates. They're all acting like immature kids trying to prove who's right.

They're the reason why we get DRM and all stuff. No wonder Microsoft is considering about digital distribution for their next console.

mailman2
10-11-08, 11:20 PM
I'm wondering CliffyB's fuss about pirating actually encourages people to start pirating on consoles now. If so, that's pretty shame on CliffyB and people who pirates. They're all acting like immature kids trying to prove who's right.

They're the reason why we get DRM and all stuff. No wonder Microsoft is considering about digital distribution for their next console.


Him throwing a fit and acting like a little girl about PC piracy sure ain't gonna help the cause - especially when the resources for pirating on the console are out there. I think alot of people might just say "Oh yea, watch this weasel" and do it just to spite him.

JasonPC
10-12-08, 12:26 AM
To me it sounds like the recipe is set for piracy to start exploding on the 360. I had always thought you'd get banned from Live but I guess that isn't necessarily the case?

evox
10-12-08, 01:23 AM
To me it sounds like the recipe is set for piracy to start exploding on the 360. I had always thought you'd get banned from Live but I guess that isn't necessarily the case?
I believe you do infact get banned. AFAIK, this has been around since Microsoft started LIVE. Microsoft always bans Modded Xboxes so they can't access LIVE. Considering how LIVE is though, you wouldn't lose a whole lot.

mailman2
10-12-08, 01:47 AM
I believe you do infact get banned. AFAIK, this has been around since Microsoft started LIVE. Microsoft always bans Modded Xboxes so they can't access LIVE. Considering how LIVE is though, you wouldn't lose a whole lot.

Nope, friends of mine are using modded 360s on live now. As long as the game has a stealth patch for it you can go online and not get banned.

nutcrackr
10-12-08, 03:58 AM
Cliffy B is living his rockstar lifestyle in his mansion with his supermodel girlfriends in a pool of money. Currently doing phone interviews about gears 2 and how you can stomp kill on locust bad guys in totally different ways, with more blood.

Ninja Prime
10-12-08, 04:42 AM
http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/10/10/fallout3_leaked/

Cliffy - Looks like "all your games belong to us".

Console games are easier to pirate due to the lack of changing DRM like PCs have. You dont need a new no DVD fix (crack) everytime a patch comes out. Once the device is cracked you are all set to pirate away! Its not just the XBOX360 either - PSP, Wii, DS, etc can all be hacked to allow backups to be played.

I've known this but seeing more and more on console piracy recently is really amusing considering the way CliffyB just loves to attack the platform that gave him his start. I didn't realize that so many upcoming 360 games (Fracture, Saints Row 2, NBA 2K9, Blitz: The League II, and now Fallout 3) has already been pirated! Even GOW2 has been leaked! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13172120&postcount=1045)

Here's hoping CliffyB actually sees that article.


You fail.

Ninja Prime
10-12-08, 04:43 AM
He's sittin on a pile of money kickin it with some fine assed poozy. Example:

COD4 for PC: 53,000 downloads
COD4 for 360: 3000 downloads

To date, one site mind you. But yea I'm sure Cliffy is well aware that the 360 can be pirated, and I'm sure he's aware there are greater risks doing so on the 360 then PC, which is partly what he basis his decisions on I'm sure.

I love my PC and all, but if I were a dev, console first, no brainer.

You win!