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josiahsuarez
10-12-08, 03:15 AM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/11/apple_dumping_intel_chipsets_for_nvidias_in_new_ma cbooks.html
People familiar with the matter say, at a minimum, the 13-inch systems will adopt chipsets from NVIDIA's MCP79 platform, as was predicted earlier this week by technology journalist Ryan Shrout.

Word of the switch validates claims first published by AppleInsider earlier this summer, speficially that Apple would drop Intel's stock designs for the first time since the transition to x86 processors in 2006. At the time, Apple was understood to be making the switch to give Macs a more distinct and technically superior design compared to most other notebooks, whose size and performance are dictated by Intel's reference components.

Kept uncharacteristically secret by NVIDIA for most of the year, the MCP79 platform is so far considered a substitute for Intel's Centrino 2 "Montevina" platform, offering support for the same 1066MHz front side bus, optional DDR3 memory and PCI Express 2.0 interfaces.

Several advantages may tip the balance in favor of the new platform, however. From a physical design perspective, one of the most important factors is NVIDIA's consolidation of all the controller features into a single chip rather than the two necessary for Intel's current architecture. This reduces the total footprint needed for the mainboard in normally tight notebook enclosures.

It will also sport proprietary NVIDIA features such as DriveCache, which uses flash storage to speed up loading times, and Hybrid SLI, which switches from discrete to integrated graphics to increase battery life in low-demand situations. It's not known whether Apple will make use of any or all of these technologies, however.

The greatest leap, though, will come from NVIDIA's expertise in graphics.

MCP79 is believed to use a new set of GeForce 9300 and 9400 series integrated mainboard graphics processors. Regardless of which variant Apple uses, both are expected to support the latest visual effects and will theoretically blow past the performance of not just the Intel GMA X3100 video on Apple's current MacBooks but also the GMA 4500MHD found on newer notebooks using Intel's reference hardware.

While the performance may not compete with most dedicated mobile graphics hardware, the update potentially addresses a common complaint of sluggish video performance with Apple's 13-inch systems. These entry-level portables are often excluded from the requirements for certain demanding games and are even ruled out entirely from Apple's own Final Cut Studio 2 suite, which depends on faster video acceleration to drive visually intensive apps such as Color and Motion.

Moving to NVIDIA's higher quality integrated graphics would also line up with Apple's plans for Mac OS X Snow Leopard, the next-generation operating system aimed for release next summer. NVIDIA has already touted support for Apple's proposed OpenCL parallel computing standard, a feature of Snow Leopard, in its recent integrated graphics chipsets.

The use of NVIDIA's higher performance integrated video chipset would give Apple's new line of entry level MacBooks both improved general hardware acceleration via OpenCL, as well as making the systems more viable as basic gaming machines. Existing MacBooks can't even run the EA games Steve Jobs promoted at Macworld a year ago.

AppleInsider is working to confirm whether or not Apple's radical change in its portables' underpinnings will extend past the standard 13-inch models. However, it's believed Shrout may have valid insight into the directions for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro as well. His claim would give the ultraportable model a low-voltage version of MCP79 that detunes the graphics performance and otherwise takes steps to reduce power consumption.

The MacBook Pro may actually see a relatively modest gain compared to the smaller systems; as it already uses much faster dedicated graphics and is rumored to receive the GeForce 9600M graphics chip.

Apple is expected to make the full extent of NVIDIA's role clear at its notebook event next week.

Separately, Digg founder Kevin Rose is claiming in a yet-to-be-shown live Diggnation episode that the new 13-inch MacBooks will include Blu-ray at some level. Rose previously claimed that Blu-ray support was coming via Mac OS X 10.5.6. Apple is a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association but has yet to officially support the optical drive format.

Again, additional expectations for the new notebooks can be found in a series of reports spanning back to April, when AppleInsider first reported on Apple's plans to makeover its MacBook and MacBook Pro families with new aluminum enclosures that take other designs cues from the MacBook Air and the most recent black & aluminum iMacs.

slaWter
10-12-08, 04:29 AM
Makes sense for Apple but I'm not a fan of nV chipsets in general. Hopefully Apple will use Hybrid SLI in the new MBP combined with a decent dedicated GPU.
The normal MacBook should be fine with the integrated GPU.

BD and CUDA support are also great additions! Sounds like a good move overall but I'm still a bit skeptical...

We'll know more next Tuesday.

I'd be very interested in a Netbook... there's still this "Brick" rumor around ;)

josiahsuarez
10-12-08, 06:14 AM
anything is an improvement over GMA X3100

Dreamingawake
10-12-08, 09:58 AM
nice. and the line between pc and mac blurs once again.

what a joke ! it's all the same underneath just looks different on the outside. -kinda like us.

Xion X2
10-13-08, 12:19 AM
Looks like I'll never be buying a Mac.

crainger
10-13-08, 12:26 AM
Looks like I'll never be buying a Mac.

LOL

Would you buy one anyway?

Xion X2
10-13-08, 01:14 AM
LOL

Would you buy one anyway?

It hadn't really crossed my mind, no.

CaptNKILL
10-13-08, 01:43 AM
:lol:

K007
10-13-08, 05:24 AM
:D

hell_of_doom227
10-13-08, 09:59 AM
I would buy Mac but it's so expensive, makes me wonder wtf Apple is thinking.

josiahsuarez
10-13-08, 01:34 PM
they're thinking "we should charge as much as people will pay to maximize profits." Apple products are definitely overpriced, but that hasn't hurt demand because of the 'cool factor' associated with Apple. that's why the ipod massively outsells the zune even though they're both basically the same thing.

crainger
10-13-08, 11:51 PM
Yap. It's all about charging the most people are willing to pay. See console games in AU. New release games go around 120AUD, if I import at US prices it becomes 60. O_o.

Viral
10-14-08, 04:00 AM
Not with the dollar as it is currently, it will probably still cost $120 :p

crainger
10-14-08, 07:06 AM
Hush Viral. ::bleh::

mullet
10-14-08, 11:13 AM
Apple dumplings, mmmmmm

Heinz68
10-14-08, 04:35 PM
It's official now.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10064331-37.html?tag=txt

slaWter
10-14-08, 06:26 PM
I love the new design. Great notebooks. I'll get a new one next fall, MBPs are the best laptops out there ;)

Bman212121
10-14-08, 07:58 PM
EVEN WITH AN NV CHIPSET?!?!?!?!


:p

IMO if apple was going to decide to jump ship they have probably already tested the new design and are satisfied with it. I think a lot of the issues people were having with NV chipsets will be avoided in the MBP because it's limited from both a hardware and software perspective. You can't OC a mac, and you won't be able to use many different types of graphics cards and it will ship with memory that has been throughly tested for that specific board.

hemmy
10-14-08, 10:45 PM
They really need some better aesthetics, very ugly laptops IMO.

Of course, that photo of the kids in the lecture hall is retardedly fake

bacon12
10-14-08, 11:13 PM
I might would buy one but hate to look like a itard, and yes they are overpriced.

Xion X2
10-15-08, 12:30 AM
EVEN WITH AN NV CHIPSET?!?!?!?!


:p

IMO if apple was going to decide to jump ship they have probably already tested the new design and are satisfied with it. I think a lot of the issues people were having with NV chipsets will be avoided in the MBP because it's limited from both a hardware and software perspective. You can't OC a mac, and you won't be able to use many different types of graphics cards and it will ship with memory that has been throughly tested for that specific board.

All this is true, so it may work just fine....































... for a month.


;)

six_storm
10-15-08, 08:17 AM
The new laptops look awesome IMO. I wouldn't mind owning another Mac just for my laptop and on-the-go stuff.

nekrosoft13
10-15-08, 08:28 AM
:p

IMO if apple was going to decide to jump ship they have probably already tested the new design and are satisfied with it. I think a lot of the issues people were having with NV chipsets will be avoided in the MBP because it's limited from both a hardware and software perspective. You can't OC a mac, and you won't be able to use many different types of graphics cards and it will ship with memory that has been throughly tested for that specific board.

4 nv boards in my house none of them have any problems. oldest is about four years, nfroce 4 939 socket. newest is nforce8200 am2+ based.

all boards are stable, OC'ed and running great.

also have 2 intel based boards.

LovingSticky
10-15-08, 09:07 AM
2 USB ports only, no eSATA, no HDMI, no Firewire, those notebooks are crippled, as all other Apple "solutions".

But I definitely like NVIDIA chipset solution, support for CUDA, PhysX, etc., all supported by integrated GPU.

Hope Dell and/or HP will use that chipset soon in their notebooks.

npras42
10-15-08, 10:31 AM
2 USB ports only, no eSATA, no HDMI, no Firewire, those notebooks are crippled, as all other Apple "solutions".

But I definitely like NVIDIA chipset solution, support for CUDA, PhysX, etc., all supported by integrated GPU.

Hope Dell and/or HP will use that chipset soon in their notebooks.

I thin the only thing that would bother me is no HDMI or DVI. I wouldn't want to carry around an adapter all the time and DisplayPort compatible devices are few and far between. I've only ever owned 1 Firewire device and USB is fine for my external HDD needs. Yeah its not as fast but it does the job.

It looks like a nice range of laptops to be honest, but not at that price. Having said that other laptops that genuinely keep up with Apple aesthetically have a pretty high price premium as well. Certain Vaios etc...