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rastaman25
11-09-08, 07:09 PM
Hey there guys, I'm completely new to this forum, and this is my first ever post!

Basically, I'm looking to upgrade my old system, and build a new PC, which will be as follows.

So, here is what my mates Dad and I have come up with:

Antec 900 Gaming Case £77.68
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16013)Antec-Nine-Hundred-Gaming-case---Black-full.aspx

Asus M3A 78T Motherboard £103.88
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38679)Asus-M3A78T.aspx

AMD AM2 9950 Phenom 64 Quad Core Processor £139.81
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37650)AMD-CPU-AM2-9950-Phenom-64---Quad-Core-Retail.aspx

OCZ ModXStream 780W Modular Gaming PSU £84.60
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(26411)OCZ-ModXStream-780W-Modular-Gaming-PSU.aspx

Geil Black Dragon DDR2 4.0GB PC6400Quad Channel memory kit £57.56
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(18241)Geil-Black-Dragon-DDR2-40GB-PC6400Quad-Channel.aspx

Samsung 500GB SATA II 300 Hard DiskDrive 16MB cache 7200rpm £45.91
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16077)Samsung-500GB-SATA-II-300-Hard-DiskDrive.aspx

Gainward Golden Sample HD 4870 1GB £240.86
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-082-GW&tool=4


So, total price of around £750.00. What are your opinions on the setup? I intend this to last me through my entire university life, and hopefully a bit beyond that too! I am quite a major gamer, which is why the specs are so high. If anyone can find that card anywhere for cheaper... I'd be pretty damn happy! :)

I've had a few people reckon two 8800s in SLI would be better? Also, not entirely sure about the case... suggestions on that would be great! And the PSU - if that's overkill, let me know! :D I want the best possible graphics performance really, but don't want to go any higher than £750... it's a stretch at that!

rage10
11-09-08, 11:55 PM
for the extra 6 euros I'd say get the samsung f1 750 the extra platter will add a nice boost to your speed. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(27074)Samsung-750GB-Spinpoint-F1-SATA-II-300-7200rpm.aspx
also your psu is quite more then your needs even if you ran a highly overclocked 4870 800/3600 you'd only need 400w or so. since your keeping this for several years you have to factor for capacitor aging. at 50% you will use barely 590w this will do fine and only cost 50 euros:http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17221)Coolermaster-eXtreme-Power-650W-PSUATX-Form.aspx

If you plan on over clocking this heat-sink is compatibly with your socket and fits in the remainder of your budget:http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38763)Arctic-Cooling-Freezer-XTREME--Intel-Socket.aspx

Cheers and I hope I could help,
rage10

Toss3
11-10-08, 05:02 AM
I'd exchange that 4870 1Gb for the EVGA 260 GTX and save 80£, and the phenom for an intel q6600(overclock it to 3Ghz, and make some use of the faster ram). That psu is also overkill and you could go with a cheaper one(like this one (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=25832)).
I'd also get a Lian-Li case instead of the antec one you chose, because they're are much better built(Lian-Li A17B (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38239)LianLi-PCA17B-black---aluminium-case-NO-PSU.aspx)).

I'd also recommend getting 2x2024 ram-sticks over 4x1024(not that it makes a lot of difference anyways, but doesn't cost extra :)).

rastaman25
11-10-08, 06:25 AM
for the extra 6 euros I'd say get the samsung f1 750 the extra platter will add a nice boost to your speed. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(27074)Samsung-750GB-Spinpoint-F1-SATA-II-300-7200rpm.aspx
also your psu is quite more then your needs even if you ran a highly overclocked 4870 800/3600 you'd only need 400w or so. since your keeping this for several years you have to factor for capacitor aging. at 50% you will use barely 590w this will do fine and only cost 50 euros:http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17221)Coolermaster-eXtreme-Power-650W-PSUATX-Form.aspx

If you plan on over clocking this heat-sink is compatibly with your socket and fits in the remainder of your budget:http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38763)Arctic-Cooling-Freezer-XTREME--Intel-Socket.aspx

Cheers and I hope I could help,
rage10

The hard drive would be faster due to the 32mb cache if I'm correct? Sounds good, as I could do with saving a bit of money on this rig, and I can save that with the PSU you recommended. I may overclock in the future when the rig becomes slightly outdated and I need more power to keep up, but at the minute I'm just looking at running at factory settings, so I won't be needing a fancy CPU cooler as of yet!

Have you any experience with the coolermaster PSU's and if they are reliable? I've read some good reviews on them myself, just wondered if you have any first hand experience.

Thanks for the help :)

rastaman25
11-10-08, 06:29 AM
I'd exchange that 4870 1Gb for the EVGA 260 GTX and save 80£, and the phenom for an intel q6600(overclock it to 3Ghz, and make some use of the faster ram). That psu is also overkill and you could go with a cheaper one(like this one (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=25832)).
I'd also get a Lian-Li case instead of the antec one you chose, because they're are much better built(Lian-Li A17B (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38239)LianLi-PCA17B-black---aluminium-case-NO-PSU.aspx)).

I'd also recommend getting 2x2024 ram-sticks over 4x1024(not that it makes a lot of difference anyways, but doesn't cost extra :)).

I agree with the PSU being a bit of an overkill, so I'm definitely going to look to cut that down a tad as you have suggested. I'm not exactly amazingly hot on computers, I guess you'd probably describe me as a n00b, so hey! What would the difference in graphics power be between the two cards? Also, could you perhaps persuade me over to intel? I've never had any experience with them, all previous systems have been AMD and have run like a charm, so if you could explain why you would go with intel rather than AMD, it'd be really appreciated! I'm not really planning on overclocking, perhaps later when the rig starts to lag behind a bit, but currently I plan at running at stock levels, so would it still be worth going for this intel setup you have recommended?

I'm unsure on the Lian Li case, as it's even more expensive than the Antec, and I really could do with keeping the price down! I really want an extremely quiet case, as the computer will be used for DVD watching and the likes.

Sorry for all the questions! Thanks for the help! :)

Toss3
11-10-08, 07:03 AM
I agree with the PSU being a bit of an overkill, so I'm definitely going to look to cut that down a tad as you have suggested. I'm not exactly amazingly hot on computers, I guess you'd probably describe me as a n00b, so hey! What would the difference in graphics power be between the two cards? Also, could you perhaps persuade me over to intel? I've never had any experience with them, all previous systems have been AMD and have run like a charm, so if you could explain why you would go with intel rather than AMD, it'd be really appreciated! I'm not really planning on overclocking, perhaps later when the rig starts to lag behind a bit, but currently I plan at running at stock levels, so would it still be worth going for this intel setup you have recommended?

I'm unsure on the Lian Li case, as it's even more expensive than the Antec, and I really could do with keeping the price down! I really want an extremely quiet case, as the computer will be used for DVD watching and the likes.

Sorry for all the questions! Thanks for the help! :)

Well to begin with - the performance difference between the GTX 260 and 4870 1Gb isn't large enough to warrant an extra 80£. The GTX 260 provides one of the best bang for the buck values of all the cards on the market, due to the recent release of the updated 216 version.
Here (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU0NCwzLCwxNjA=)'s a comparison between the two(minimum fps and avg. is what you want to look at note: this is the 512mb version and everyone knows that the 1GB version is a little bit faster especially when it comes to high res + AA).

AMD has been struggling for a while now just trying to catch up to the performance of the core 2 duo/quad series, but even though they've come pretty close the q6600 still offers the best bang for the buck value(for middle-end systems that is). The q6600 also sports a very nice oc headroom, that even further widens the performance gap to AMD's offerings. You'd have to be silly not to oc your q6600 as the benefits easily outweigh the negatives.

Review
(http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-x4-9950-be-processor-tested/5)
Just choose whichever case you like, as long as you know it's from a well-known brand(as long as they don't have any plastic hinges or anything that could break easily). Another thing that's good to remember is that a heavier case minimizes the vibrations and thus also minimizes any annoying resonance coming from within the case.
You might also want to consider going with a micro ATX/HTPC case(with a mATX motherboard of course), as it's pretty nice having a portable system that you can easily move from one place to another(especially if you plan on going to many lan-parties). :)

Feyy
11-10-08, 07:06 AM
Perhaps you would want to wait until Nehalem (Core i7) release, which is in a few weeks.

That is, if you can wait that long :D

Toss3
11-10-08, 07:13 AM
Perhaps you would want to wait until Nehalem (Core i7) release, which is in a few weeks.

That is, if you can wait that long :D

Well, I really doubt that the core i7 is going to affect the prices of the middle-class cpus, as they're aimed at the high-end market.

Toss3
11-10-08, 07:33 AM
You should also consider ordering your parts from Germany as some of those prices seem a bit ridiculous. You can get a 4870 1Gb for as cheap as 260€ (http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a354896.html)! The shipping costs are usually pretty low, around ~20€.

You could get an Intel q9550, Sapphire 4870 1Gb, Samsung 750Gb, Asus P5Q motherboard, 4GB of DDR2, OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU, Lian-Li PC 7 SE II Black case for the same amount of money as the setup you posted in your first post.

rastaman25
11-10-08, 07:56 AM
Well to begin with - the performance difference between the GTX 260 and 4870 1Gb isn't large enough to warrant an extra 80£. The GTX 260 provides one of the best bang for the buck values of all the cards on the market, due to the recent release of the updated 216 version.
Here (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU0NCwzLCwxNjA=)'s a comparison between the two(minimum fps and avg. is what you want to look at note: this is the 512mb version and everyone knows that the 1GB version is a little bit faster especially when it comes to high res + AA).

AMD has been struggling for a while now just trying to catch up to the performance of the core 2 duo/quad series, but even though they've come pretty close the q6600 still offers the best bang for the buck value(for middle-end systems that is). The q6600 also sports a very nice oc headroom, that even further widens the performance gap to AMD's offerings. You'd have to be silly not to oc your q6600 as the benefits easily outweigh the negatives.

Review
(http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-x4-9950-be-processor-tested/5)
Just choose whichever case you like, as long as you know it's from a well-known brand(as long as they don't have any plastic hinges or anything that could break easily). Another thing that's good to remember is that a heavier case minimizes the vibrations and thus also minimizes any annoying resonance coming from within the case.
You might also want to consider going with a micro ATX/HTPC case(with a mATX motherboard of course), as it's pretty nice having a portable system that you can easily move from one place to another(especially if you plan on going to many lan-parties). :)

I think I follow that. So a card such as this : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37567)XFX-GeForce-GTX-260-896MB-XXXDD3-PCIE-DVI.aspx would be better? It's still not that far away from the original card I posted! Not entirely sure I understood the article on the processor, I'm going to have to read that a time or two and let it sink in. Need to check prices as well, as all my components are going to be from microdirect - one of my mates dads has a trade account and can get a small discount. Thanks for the help! :)


You should also consider ordering your parts from Germany as some of those prices seem a bit ridiculous.

I would get them from Germany, but I want to purchase them in the UK due to the ease of returns etc, admittedly it may save me money, but in the long term if a component goes down, I'm screwed! I can't speak German, so i'm not sure it would be the best idea!

Toss3
11-10-08, 08:08 AM
I think I follow that. So a card such as this : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37567)XFX-GeForce-GTX-260-896MB-XXXDD3-PCIE-DVI.aspx would be better? It's still not that far away from the original card I posted! Not entirely sure I understood the article on the processor, I'm going to have to read that a time or two and let it sink in. Need to check prices as well, as all my components are going to be from microdirect - one of my mates dads has a trade account and can get a small discount. Thanks for the help! :)

Well the EVGA GTX 260 is a fair bit cheaper at 160£(188€incl. VAT), and XFX isn't really renowned for their service. And as you probably know there is at least one EVGA representative on these forums, so if anything goes amiss he could take care of it. :)
And about the article - you don't really need to understand anything else than the fact that the Q6600 is faster than an AMD Phenom 9950. :)

I would get them from Germany, but I want to purchase them in the UK due to the ease of returns etc, admittedly it may save me money, but in the long term if a component goes down, I'm screwed! I can't speak German, so i'm not sure it would be the best idea!

Well, I almost always order my stuff from Germany, and haven't run into any employees that couldn't speak English. And if something breaks - just send it back and you'll have a new one in no time. :) It takes a while longer yes, but the money you save is well worth it.

nekrosoft13
11-10-08, 08:23 AM
like others have said,

change the HDD to either Samsung F1 series, WD 640GB
change the Phenon to intel quad
personally I would get the new GTX 260

rastaman25
11-10-08, 09:25 AM
Well the EVGA GTX 260...

like others have said,

change the HDD to either Samsung F1 series, WD 640GB
change the Phenon to intel quad
personally I would get the new GTX 260

So something like this: ? I couldn't spot the drives you are refering to Nekrosoft - can you spot them on www.microdirect.co.uk?

Antec 900 Gaming Case £77.68
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16013)Antec-Nine-Hundred-Gaming-case---Black-full.aspx

Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45LGA775 1600FSB ATX £103.08
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37294)Asus-P5Q-Pro-Intel-P45LGA775-1600FSB-ATX.aspx

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 £140.99
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37289)Intel-Core-2-Quad-Pro-Q6600-95W-Energy-Efficient.aspx

OCZ ModXStream 780W Modular Gaming PSU £84.60
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(26411)OCZ-ModXStream-780W-Modular-Gaming-PSU.aspx

Geil Black Dragon DDR2 4.0GB PC6400Quad Channel memory kit £57.56
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(18241)Geil-Black-Dragon-DDR2-40GB-PC6400Quad-Channel.aspx

Samsung 500GB SATA II 300 Hard DiskDrive 16MB cache 7200rpm £45.91
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16077)Samsung-500GB-SATA-II-300-Hard-DiskDrive.aspx

BFG GTX 260 OC2 MAXCORE 896MB PCI-E £228.47
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38470)BFG-GTX-260-OC2-MAXCORE-896MB---PCIE.aspx

Total price : £738.39

Tis only £12 cheaper... am I not loosing a lot of performance graphics wise by stepping down? :S

Toss3
11-10-08, 09:31 AM
BFG GTX 260 OC2 MAXCORE 896MB PCI-E £228.47
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38470)BFG-GTX-260-OC2-MAXCORE-896MB---PCIE.aspx

Total price : £738.39

Tis only £12 cheaper... am I not loosing a lot of performance graphics wise by stepping down? :S
Exchange your GPU for this one:
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38487)HIS-ATI-4870-1GB-DDR5-HDMIDVI-PCIE.aspx
Drive:
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(27074)Samsung-750GB-Spinpoint-F1-SATA-II-300-7200rpm.aspx

rastaman25
11-10-08, 09:41 AM
Exchange your GPU for this one:
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38487)HIS-ATI-4870-1GB-DDR5-HDMIDVI-PCIE.aspx
Drive:
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(27074)Samsung-750GB-Spinpoint-F1-SATA-II-300-7200rpm.aspx




Antec 900 Gaming Case £77.68
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16013)Antec-Nine-Hundred-Gaming-case---Black-full.aspx

Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45LGA775 1600FSB ATX £103.08
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37294)Asus-P5Q-Pro-Intel-P45LGA775-1600FSB-ATX.aspx

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 £140.99
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(37289)Intel-Core-2-Quad-Pro-Q6600-95W-Energy-Efficient.aspx

OCZ ModXStream 780W Modular Gaming PSU £84.60
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(26411)OCZ-ModXStream-780W-Modular-Gaming-PSU.aspx

Geil Black Dragon DDR2 4.0GB PC6400Quad Channel memory kit £57.56
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(18241)Geil-Black-Dragon-DDR2-40GB-PC6400Quad-Channel.aspx

Samsung 750GB Spinpoint F1 £61.09
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(27074)Samsung-750GB-Spinpoint-F1-SATA-II-300-7200rpm.aspx

HIS ATI 4870 1GB DDR5 HDMIDVI PCI-E £199.23
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(38487)HIS-ATI-4870-1GB-DDR5-HDMIDVI-PCIE.aspx

Total price : £724.14


Well, I've swapped them in... so how do you think that compares to the original spec that I first posted? I'm mostly interested in the graphics potential, do you think that card squares up well against the Gainward? I liked the cooling system on the Gainward card, as it responded to how hot the card was, and wasn't constantly at max power! Thanks so much for the help, it's really appreciated.

nekrosoft13
11-10-08, 09:49 AM
currect specs are much better, Phenon would be the biggest mistake.

I have both, Q6600(2.4ghz) and Phenon 9550(2.2ghz)

Q6600 runs right now at 3.3ghz while Phenon max OC at 2.6ghz.

Phenon at 2.6ghz is slower then my Q6600 at stock 2.4ghz.


Q6600 is in my main rig, while Phenon is in my FTP Server/Media Server/Media Encoder rig

rastaman25
11-10-08, 09:52 AM
currect specs are much better, Phenon would be the biggest mistake.

I have both, Q6600(2.4ghz) and Phenon 9550(2.2ghz)

Q6600 runs right now at 3.3ghz while Phenon max OC at 2.6ghz.

Phenon at 2.6ghz is slower then my Q6600 at stock 2.4ghz.


Q6600 is in my main rig, while Phenon is in my FTP Server/Media Server/Media Encoder rig

Sounds good, thanks for the feedback. What do you think about the original graphics card selected and the HIS one now selected thanks to Toss3 's help? :)

Edit: Theoretically, later on I could add another graphics card and run two? As SLI or crossfire, whatever it's called?

Toss3
11-10-08, 09:55 AM
Well, I've swapped them in... so how do you think that compares to the original spec that I first posted? I'm mostly interested in the graphics potential, do you think that card squares up well against the Gainward? I liked the cooling system on the Gainward card, as it responded to how hot the card was, and wasn't constantly at max power! Thanks so much for the help, it's really appreciated.
The HIS 4870 should perform exactly the same as the gainward one, and the performance of the new system should be better than the system in your first post. :)

You might also want to consider getting cheaper ram, as ram speed doesn't really affect system performance as much as many people believe. Faster ram is only needed for overclocking, so if you plan on sticking to stocks, you might want to go a cheaper route(the ddr2 you picked is pretty expensive).

And the PSU could also be swapped for a cheaper one!

Other than that the system looks good and should provide you with enough juice to run the latest games at almost max settings! :)

Btw. what resolution are you planning on using? Because unless you're going to be playing at resolutions higher than 1920x1200, the 4850 1Gb would be the way to go.

rastaman25
11-10-08, 10:02 AM
The HIS 4870 should perform exactly the same as the gainward one, and the performance of the new system should be better than the system in your first post. :)

You might also want to consider getting cheaper ram, as ram speed doesn't really affect system performance as much as many people believe. Faster ram is only needed for overclocking, so if you plan on sticking to stocks, you might want to go a cheaper route(the ddr2 you picked is pretty expensive).

And the PSU could also be swapped for a cheaper one!

Other than that the system looks good and should provide you with enough juice to run the latest games at almost max settings! :)

Btw. what resolution are you planning on using? Because unless you're going to be playing at resolutions higher than 1920x1200, the 4850 1Gb would be the way to go.

The Gainward card is a Golden Sample model though, I thought that meant that basically it was the best components that they could use all together? Why are the prices different if the cards are virtually identical?! :S Also, would I be able to use two graphics cards in this system if I wanted later? Crossfire/SLI?

I'm planning on running on a 17" monitor till next September - when I go to uni, and then buy a 20" or 22" monitor for when I'm away at university - but won't buy that until September - thinking of something like this : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(25043)HP-201-w2007v-monitorwidescreen-5ms-10001.aspx .

Any suggestions on other makes of Ram? I've previously gone with Geil, but possibly this? : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(21226)Corsair-4096MB-TwinX-XMS2-6400---DDR2-Memory.aspx. Looking at nekrosoft13's post, overclocking may actually be a good idea, so should I stick with the Geil... or still go cheaper?

Thanks so much! :D

Toss3
11-10-08, 10:41 AM
The Gainward card is a Golden Sample model though, I thought that meant that basically it was the best components that they could use all together? Why are the prices different if the cards are virtually identical?! :S Also, would I be able to use two graphics cards in this system if I wanted later? Crossfire/SLI?
The Golden Sample tag is just a gimmick to get consumers to pay more for the same. Believe me an overclocked graphics card is not worth the money(and usually have a lot higher failure rates) for the very slight performance increase it provides.

I'm planning on running on a 17" monitor till next September - when I go to uni, and then buy a 20" or 22" monitor for when I'm away at university - but won't buy that until September - thinking of something like this : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(25043)HP-201-w2007v-monitorwidescreen-5ms-10001.aspx .

Well most 17" ususally have a resolution of 1280x1024, which means that getting either a 4870 or 260 would be overkill. The 4850 would fit the bill perfectly though(cheaper and provides almost the same performance as its bigger brother at that res.)! And when you get your new monitor you can always add a second 4850 to your system.

Any suggestions on other makes of Ram? I've previously gone with Geil, but possibly this? : http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(21226)Corsair-4096MB-TwinX-XMS2-6400---DDR2-Memory.aspx. Looking at nekrosoft13's post, overclocking may actually be a good idea, so should I stick with the Geil... or still go cheaper?

Thanks so much! :D

Well I too use Geil, but only because it was the cheapest ram available at the time, and haven't had any problems. The truth is however that faster ram provides almost no noticeable performance increase in games, and thus isn't really worth it. So if I were you I'd just go with the Geil Value series. It also shouldn't affect your oc.

rastaman25
11-10-08, 10:48 AM
Well most 17" ususally have a resolution of 1280x1024, which means that getting either a 4870 or 260 would be overkill.

I'd rather overkill, and get a better monitor next september than underkill and have to get a new graphics card and monitor! What is the biggest size monitor that card can possibly support? What would gaming be like on it?



Well I too use Geil, but only because it was the cheapest ram available at the time, and haven't had any problems. The truth is however that faster ram provides almost no noticeable performance increase in games, and thus isn't really worth it. So if I were you I'd just go with the Geil Value series. It also shouldn't affect your oc.

I shall go have a look at the value series, and see how much it knocks of the price... if it's not an amazing ammount I guess I may as well stick with the black dragon...
Edit : 4gb of the value ram is £48, so theres not that much point going for it? I might as well just get it and have better overclocking capabilities in the future?

Still need to find a cheaper PSU, thermaltake do a slightly cheaper one that is also modular, so I may look at that...

Thanks so much! :)

ViN86
11-10-08, 12:00 PM
like others have said,

change the HDD to either Samsung F1 series, WD 640GB
change the Phenon to intel quad
personally I would get the new GTX 260

+1

nekro the pc guru hath spoken :thumbsup:

rage10
11-10-08, 09:08 PM
get this psu::http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17221)Coolermaster-eXtreme-Power-650W-PSUATX-Form.aspx
I havent used a cooler master psu in a while but the few that I still have work fine after over 3 years in system. the only reson I didnt go with them in my current pc is dus to price at time of purchace.
also go with the samsung f1 750.

Toss3
11-11-08, 03:06 AM
I'd rather overkill, and get a better monitor next september than underkill and have to get a new graphics card and monitor! What is the biggest size monitor that card can possibly support? What would gaming be like on it?
Why pay more when you can have the same gaming experience for less? And one 4850 should be enough for resolutions up to 1600x1200 at least.
The whole point of my argument was that one 4850 would do fine now and cost you a lot less, and then with the money you save you could buy another one when the prices drop(next year). Two 4850's in crossfire easily outperform even a GTX 280.
The total cost would still be the same(maybe a bit higher), but your system would have a much longer lifespan. :)

HardOCP's value guide (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU1OCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0)


I shall go have a look at the value series, and see how much it knocks of the price... if it's not an amazing ammount I guess I may as well stick with the black dragon...
Edit : 4gb of the value ram is £48, so theres not that much point going for it? I might as well just get it and have better overclocking capabilities in the future?

Still need to find a cheaper PSU, thermaltake do a slightly cheaper one that is also modular, so I may look at that...

Thanks so much! :)

No reason to go for the value series if it isn't cheaper than that - your system needs to look cool too so the extra 9£ is worth it for the heatspreaders! :D
And for the psu check out the one I linked to earlier. Should be a perfect match for your system. :)