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Heinz68
11-16-08, 11:34 PM
Planned Launch: January 8, 2009
About time for some good news from AMD provided the numbers are right.

If the unlocked Phenom x4 940 can hit 4GHz on air it should compete well against the Core 2 line or maybe even be competitive against the Intel Core i7-920 more expensive platform.

I really hope AMD can pull it off.
The Source (http://publish.it168.com/2008/1114/20081114006901.shtml)

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Fotis
11-17-08, 12:48 AM
If priced right the Black edition phenom could be a real winner.Plus you can get a cheap motherboard and use the same ram you already have.:)

nutcrackr
11-17-08, 01:06 AM
AM2+ or AM3,

aka will i need a new mobo?

nvm see the color coding for am2+ and am3

Fotis
11-17-08, 01:34 AM
AM2+ or AM3,

aka will i need a new mobo?

AM2+.
You wont need an new mobo! :)
There are already compatibility lists posted by asus and some other motherboard makers.

nutcrackr
11-17-08, 01:54 AM
is there much bottleneck, my mobo gigabyte winds the HT frequency back to 1000 with the am2+ chips but I how much % performance do I lose from potential am3 speeds?

LORD-eX-Bu
11-17-08, 07:59 PM
this info just leaked as well.....


AMD IS STILL INTEL'S ***** :rofl

Bman212121
11-17-08, 08:10 PM
Heh... They better do more than ramp clock speeds up this round if they really want to succeed. The main reason why AMD hasn't gone anywhere is because their cores are still clock for clock about the same as the dual cores released 3 1/2 years ago.

Redeemed
11-17-08, 08:23 PM
Heh... They better do more than ramp clock speeds up this round if they really want to succeed. The main reason why AMD hasn't gone anywhere is because their cores are still clock for clock about the same as the dual cores released 3 1/2 years ago.

:wtf:

I understand that Agena is, by no means, the jump from P4 to Core2, but to say it's comparable to the original K8s is far from true. I've owned everything from the original A64s on s754, to the top of the line Opteron 185 and A64 FX-60 on s939, to the X2 6000+ on AM2 to this Phenom9600 on AM2 and I can guarantee there's a substantial difference. This stock 9600 is considerably faster than both my Opteron 185 and FX-60 was at 3.0Ghz.

I'm sorry, but you're claim is just flat out wrong.

KasuCode
11-17-08, 08:36 PM
Depending on how its prices I might build a new AMD MOD box. I havnt overclocked a new AMD CPU in 4-5 years.

Redeemed
11-17-08, 08:48 PM
Depending on how its prices I might build a new AMD MOD box. I havnt overclocked a new AMD CPU in 4-5 years.

Well, from what I gather the first Denebs will be AM2, and priced comparably to the Core i7 parts (starting at about $300). My next "from-the-ground-up" build will be a top-end AM3 Deneb rig sometime next year (I'm shooting for around March). In the meantime, I plan to soup up my E6600 and Q6600 rigs considerably.

Also, I've read the rumors about the ES Denebs hitting 4Ghz on air with ultimate ease. If true, this is *very* encouraging, as I fully intend to OC every aspect possible of my AM3 rig. :D :p

Mr Bigman
11-17-08, 10:03 PM
Alot of review sites are going to make the numbers fair against AMD.

I own a few rigs from a dual Zeon skulltrail to a P4 and i also have 2 AMD rigs both 9750 and 9950 and compairing the dual Zeon setup with 2 280's setup in SLI, the Phenom 9950 hate it or not seems even more snappier when moving around than the intel rigs.

AMD will be fine and with this next launch, i am sure they will go well against Intel so don't buy into the reviews cuz you know Intel has them in their wallets.

I did a test with my Qaud 9550 2.83 against the 9950 x4 clocked at 2.9 and they both compared very well with each other in scoring hell the phenom beat out the 9550 in the FEAR benchmark wtih dual 9800 GTX's in SLI by 3 points and both have 4 gigis or ram with evga 9800's.

Don't buy the BS unless you have product in hand and see what it can do and i am proof of that owning 7 rigs.

And the reason i keep my parts like i do is i don't have the mental capacity to sell on EBAy so i keep my stuff and just build on top of stuff instead of selling of the old stuff.

hemmy
11-17-08, 11:41 PM
Hope it is competitive enough to make Intel drop their Core i7 prices so I can get me one :)

Tho Jo Smale
11-18-08, 12:22 AM
Hope it is competitive enough to make Intel drop their Core i7 prices so I can get me one :)

Here's to hoping......


Honestly I've very happy with the speed and reliability of my Phenom 9850 @3.0ghz.....sure it's not as blazing fast as a C2Q......but I didn't buy new memory or a new Mobo either. Drop in upgrade from the 6400 X2.....which was and still is fast as hell.


The only time you'll notice much if any difference between AMD and Intel Quads....is in synthetic benchmarks and certain types of encoding.....neither of which are done by the average user.

I am however very impressed with the new i7 cores........thank god Intel finally got rid of FSB.....it was soooooo 2002....



JC

Heinz68
11-19-08, 10:24 AM
Some people start bashing the AMD even before the product is out.

I think it's good news for the AMD getting the 45nm shrink right at least it looks like. Provided the price is right it should sell well and hopefully help AMD getting out of the red.

More people buy lower priced computers than the high priced ones and that's where AMD could be more competitive and the 45nm shrink will help to keep the price down.

If the Phenom II 940 can hit 4GHz on air that should make great upgrade for people with the AM2+ board and DDR2 memory.

The 95W version planned for February according to slides can use both DDR2 and DDR3 on AM3 board therefore also cheaper upgrade for some people.

nekrosoft13
11-19-08, 10:32 AM
this info just leaked as well.....


AMD IS STILL INTEL'S ***** :rofl

haha, true. funny how they are using the same type of numbering as intel now. hoping for consumer confusion maybe.

Heinz68
11-19-08, 11:37 AM
I think using huge fonts without really saying much is more suitable for the open and spam forum.

Anyway this is supposed to be my good news AMD thread so why not keep it as such. Why start bashing the AMD even before the product is out.
We sure have plenty of threads on this forum about how awesome the Intel is even if they don't need it much.

Redeemed
11-20-08, 03:17 PM
AMD's 45nm parts really might be impressive (http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=6455) from a sheer price standpoint. They managed to get the Phenom II running at 6GHz (1.9v) using liquid nitrogen. Granted, anybody that can afford that for cooling could afford an i7 setup. But 4Ghz with ease on air, if AMD prices these competitively against i7 then they might have a Phenom that will actually sell mas quantities.

To there advantage, Staples seems to offer more systems with AMD Quad and triple core Phenoms than Intel Core2 Quad systems. If AMD can properly price their parts to make them more appealing to end-consumers and OEMs like DELL, HP, Compaq, and Gateway, they can pull ahead.

I'm honestly pretty excited to get my Phenom II rig up and running. :D I'd love to have a Phenom II 940 @ 4Ghz! :drooling:

Redeemed
11-20-08, 03:21 PM
Here's another article (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15927) about the event.

Redeemed
11-20-08, 06:35 PM
More info here (http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Sneak-Peeks-Phenom-II-Overclocks-To-5GHz/).

jcrox
11-20-08, 06:41 PM
I might have to give one of these a try :D

john19055
11-21-08, 01:22 PM
If it is priced right and will do over 4gigs on air ,I may try one of them out .

hemmy
11-21-08, 03:52 PM
AMD's 45nm parts really might be impressive (http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=6455) from a sheer price standpoint. They managed to get the Phenom II running at 6GHz (1.9v) using liquid nitrogen. Granted, anybody that can afford that for cooling could afford an i7 setup. But 4Ghz with ease on air, if AMD prices these competitively against i7 then they might have a Phenom that will actually sell mas quantities.

To there advantage, Staples seems to offer more systems with AMD Quad and triple core Phenoms than Intel Core2 Quad systems. If AMD can properly price their parts to make them more appealing to end-consumers and OEMs like DELL, HP, Compaq, and Gateway, they can pull ahead.

I'm honestly pretty excited to get my Phenom II rig up and running. :D I'd love to have a Phenom II 940 @ 4Ghz! :drooling:

AMD will never "pull ahead", but they can certainly start making money for a change.

Redeemed
11-21-08, 03:56 PM
AMD will never "pull ahead", but they can certainly start making money for a change.

I wouldn't be so rash as to claim that AMD will *never* pull ahead. It's possible, just a very difficult feat to say the least.

Anyhow, Deneb is looking promising. :D

jcrox
11-21-08, 05:51 PM
AMD will never "pull ahead", but they can certainly start making money for a change.

AMD64

nuff said

Viral
11-22-08, 11:58 PM
I hope AMD do make a recovery, it would be nice to mention AMD on this forum without getting punched in the face and kicked in the guts while on the ground. I'm definitely going to try one of these out next year just for the sake of it. I'll probably wait for AM3, but an AM2+ setup would be quite a bit cheaper, so if they do indeed OC to 3.8GHz+ I may pick up a 940.