5ghz+ phenomII say it aint so.

[bacon12]

I was so happy to read this and am glad to see green in the game again! The 5+ was dice, and it did over 6 on LN2.
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=6455

[Bman212121]

:eek:

Like the article said, as long as they can get 3.4ghz - 3.6ghz at resonable TDP levels then it might be a decent chip. We'll have to wait for some normal tests as I don't think I'll be cooling my processor with DICE anytime soon.

Also where did it say 6Ghz? I could only find 5.7...

One more thing that is definitely noteworthy.

showed some significant per clock performance gains over the older Barcelona product

[ViN86]

cant wait to see benchies :D

[Redeemed]

Ahem! (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123223&page=2) :lol:

None of this is rumor either, just read the articles I posted in the above thread. Furthermore, that 4Ghz on air, the processor ran at 32*C while playing Crysis. THAT'S freaking impressive.

If you are interested, there's more info in this thread (http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=135816). ;)

But yes, it is good to see some positive news in regards to AMD, finally. :D

[nekrosoft13]

good, I have two AM2+ boards, at least one will be compatible with AM3, maybe there will be some use out of them.

main rig will stay intel ;)

[bacon12]

Yup all the benches were done on a gigabyte 790 that is available right now. So you can drop in a phenom II and finally compete with the core2's.

It was 5.7 ghz my mistake.

[grey_1]

Nice, good to see 2 teams on the field again!

[Redeemed]

lol

There is already a thread about this. Furthermore, this isn't a rumor.

Maybe a MOD could move this to the CPU forum?

[nekrosoft13]

lol

There is already a thread about this. Furthermore, this isn't a rumor.

Maybe a MOD could move this to the CPU forum?

i would leave it here, CPU is not released yet, and this could be some hand picked AMD sample ;)

[Redeemed]

i would leave it here, CPU is not released yet, and this could be some hand picked AMD sample ;)

From my recollection, normally AMD ES samples are of poor quality compared to the retail ones. As such, if ES samples can do this, the retail should be just as capable if not more.

Furthermore, in one of the articles (I posted in the other thread) the AMD employees confirmed these weren't cherry picked samples.

[Monolyth]

We need some "real world" processing comparisons to really see if it's anything to be excited about, guess still to early.

[Redeemed]

We need some "real world" processing comparisons to really see if it's anything to be excited about, guess still to early.

This is my stance.

As is, any quad core processor from AMD and Intel will be far more processing power than most folks need. Heck, the games that current quad-cores can't handle could be counted on one-hand, so even from a gaming perspective today's offerings are sufficient. This isn't even taking over-clocking into consideration.

Now, odds are the Deneb's will be more efficient than an Agena, but let's look at a worst-case-scenario where clock-for-clock Deneb is 100%= to Agena. In that case, we still have excellent stock performance (again, the games CPU bound by a stock Agena can be counted on one-hand), that can be oc'd by 1Ghz on air, further increasing what is already sufficient performance.

Furthermore, the 4Ghz air-cooled Deneb had an in-game temperature of 32*C. To my understanding, there is absolutely nothing from Intel's offerings that can come close to that. Furthermore, fudzilla claims the 4Ghz air-cooled Deneb was using stock cooling. If true, this means that with the stock cooler you can get your Phenom II X4 940 to run at 4Ghz while having an in-game temp of 32*C. THAT'S freaking impressive, if fud is correct. Which means using high-end air-cooling (Tuniq Tower or True Copper, anyone?) one could achieve an OC greater than 4Ghz while keeping temps exceedingly low. Once more a feat that cannot be accomplished with air cooling on Intel chips.

Heck, my E6600 at stock speeds with the retail cooler runs much hotter than that... at idle. :lol:

Needless to say, AMD is onto something promising. Will it get them the performance crown, per say? No, but technically the HD4870 didn't for ATi. It was just priced perfectly to compete with nVidia's offerings far more aggressively than anybody anticipated. Deneb might be for AMD what the HD4000 series has been for ATi. At least, we can all hope. :D

[Shamrock]

The only problem I have is this. Even at clock speeds or 6Ghz, will it keep up or surpass Intel's i7?

[Redeemed]

The only problem I have is this. Even at clock speeds or 6Ghz, will it keep up or surpass Intel's i7?

lol... if you think a Deneb at 6Ghz will be slower than an i7... :lol:

clock for clock i7 is probably faster, but not necessarily more efficient. Remember, the 4Ghz Deneb was only 32*C while playing Crysis. Are you aware of any Intel processor that can operate at that temp while being OC'd to 4Ghz on air? Seriously, are you?

[Shamrock]

It may have the Ghz lead. But that isn't everything. Will the Phenom II be faster than an iCore 7? On Crysis? In stock form, is it faster than the i7?

I wasn't making a statement, but asking a question. I'm not a fanboy either, as right now I am using AMD 4800+ :P I'm just curious, before I splurge for an upgrade.

[Redeemed]

It may have the Ghz lead. But that isn't everything. Will the Phenom II be faster than an iCore 7? On Crysis? In stock form, is it faster than the i7?

I wasn't making a statement, but asking a question. I'm not a fanboy either, as right now I am using AMD 4800+ :P I'm just curious, before I splurge for an upgrade.

lol... if you think a Deneb at 6Ghz will be slower than an i7... :lol:

Clock for clock i7 is probably faster, but not necessarily more efficient. Remember, the 4Ghz Deneb was only 32*C while playing Crysis. Are you aware of any Intel processor that can operate at that temp while being OC'd to 4Ghz on air? Seriously, are you?

See the bold, and then the underlined. ;)

A Deneb at 3Ghz will probably trail a Core i7 @ 3Ghz by a little bit. By enough to notice? Highly unlikely, depending on the tasks being performed (as always).

Something you might consider is price.

Core i7 920 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202) = $299.99

MSI X58 Platinum (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130216) mobo = $220.99 (There's a combo deal with this mobo and the 920 that'd bring the price down by $30 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16813130216&SubCategory=280&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1)

4GB DDR3 1333 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190)= $114.99

Grand total would be about $635.00 for just the mobo + cpu + RAM, not including shipping and tax, and this is with the least expensive parts available on newegg.

For somebody in your situation, the i7 might be a feasible setup since you need a new mobo, cpu, and RAM anyways. But do you plan on keeping your current video card?

For folks that already have a DDR2 based setup and don't have the spare cash to dump on such an expensive config like the i7, then going with AMD might be the more logical route. From what we have to go off of Deneb wont trail Nahalem by much, if at all, in regards to gaming and other desktop oriented apps. But remember, Nahelelm is primarily a server CPU directly competing with Shanghai, not Deneb.

Granted, we have solid reviews out for Core i7, we do not for Deneb. Hard to say. Deneb could fail miserably, or it could smoke the i7 price/performance. Won't know till January.

The cool thing about the first Denebs will be that they're Socket AM2+ parts, so they'll drop right into most currently available AM2+ mobos. Furthermore, the IMC has support for both DDR2 and DDR3. So, in short, for the price of just the mobo + cpu + RAM for a Core i7 you could have a complete Deneb based rig, using some of your current parts (case, PSU, hdd, etc).

So, for you let's price the Deneb upgrade path...

Let's say the base Phenom II X4 920 will cost $299.99, just like the i7 920.

And let's say you want SLi, since you already have a GTX 260,

ASUS M3N HT Deluxe (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131343) mobo, sporting nVidia's nForce 780a SLi MCP. With a simple BIOS update it'll accept the PhenomII X4 920 without issue. Price is only $179.99.

4GB G.Skill DDR2 800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122) is only $44.99.

Grand total would be about $525.00, without shipping and tax. So considerably less than the i7 build if money is tight. This will give you a lasting upgrade path, as any AM3 based Phenom will be compatible with the above mobo. Granted, certain AM3-exclusive features would be disabled. And when you're ready, you could upgrade to an AM3 mobo and still use your DDR2 RAM, upgrading to DDR3 when prices are a little more reasonable.

But keep in mind, what ever you upgrade to is going to be leaps and bounds faster than what you currently have. The rig I had before my Phenom box was running an FX-60 @ 3.0GHz with 4GB DDR400 and dual 640MB 8800GTSs on the ASUS A8N32-SLi Dlx... and let me tell you this Phenom rig is so much faster than the FX-60. Simply no comparison. The same could be said for any Core2 Quad build, Core i7, or Phenom II X4 build. You'll be happy regardless of what platform you get, I'd imagine. ;) :D

[Viral]

The selling point for me with Phenom II is the low system price. The processor itself should cost a bit less than the Core i7 equiv, the mobo will cost a LOT less and DDR2 is still much cheaper than DDR3. We're talking half the system price here.

[Redeemed]

The selling point for me with Phenom II is the low system price. The processor itself should cost a bit less than the Core i7 equiv, the mobo will cost a LOT less and DDR2 is still much cheaper than DDR3. We're talking half the system price here.

Don't be so certain about Deneb's initial price. From what I've been reading it should be comparably priced to the i7. At least initially. Keep in mind that if AMD priced the Phenom II X4 too closely to that of their current Phenoms, they'd wind up with a shortage of Phenom IIs and an excess of Phenoms. I'm pretty certain they'll try to clear house of their current Phenoms to make more room for the Phenom II before we see a major price drop.

That's what I'm expecting, at least.

[slaWter]

Looks like the new Phenom could be AMD's P4 - it's all about GHz :p

Here's a small server preview: http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/world-exclusive-intel-s-dual-socket-nehalem-ep-platform-benchmarked-487131

Shanghai vs Penryn vs Nehalem.

[Redeemed]

Looks like the new Phenom could be AMD's P4 - it's all about GHz :p

Here's a small server preview: http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/world-exclusive-intel-s-dual-socket-nehalem-ep-platform-benchmarked-487131

Shanghai vs Penryn vs Nehalem.
If that were the case, then Nahalem will be Intel's second prescott. ;)

And from any other review I've read, 2P+ hasn't worked right with Core i7, something to do with QPI. Now, I'm sure Intel will have this sorted, and I'm sure it'll work beautifully once they do get it sorted- but one review is hardly sufficient. Furthermore, no screen caps of any sort, no graphs...

[slaWter]

If that were the case, then Nahalem will be Intel's second prescott. ;)

Why, because of the long pipelines?

[Redeemed]

Why, because of the long pipelines?

Well, consider how stellar they perform I'd not dog the CPU about pipelines.

I'm referring to temps! :lol: Core i7s run (from what I've read) considerably hotter than Denebs... from what we know.

Granted, when Phenom II hits retail we might discover that their thermals are horrible, but from what was demonstrated they appear to be incredibly cool running chips. Remember the 4Ghz air-cooled Phenom II was only at 32*C while playing Crysis, and fudzilla claims that setup was using just the stock cooler... but I have my doubts about that. Though it would be nice. :D

[Redeemed]

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=135835

Supposedly Phenom IIs (AM2+) will be available as early as the 16th of December, with the 940 weighing in at $340 USD.

[Viral]

That's a surprise, all recent news has pointed to a January release. Good news!

Also that kind of pricing lines the 940 up with the Q9550. I can't see how it won't perform better than a Q9550. Mine needs a lot of voltage to get to 3.8+, so if Phenom II's ramp close to 4GHz without extreme voltage (or at least extreme temp increases) I may just look into selling my cpu and mobo.

[Shamrock]

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=135835

Supposedly Phenom IIs (AM2+) will be available as early as the 16th of December, with the 940 weighing in at $340 USD.

So, does this mean that the AM3 mobos will be early too? :D