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panzaman
05-27-03, 08:37 AM
..nvidia will be making an announcement late this morning/afternoon.

digitalwanderer
05-27-03, 08:39 AM
Where did you get this info from?!?!

Nutty
05-27-03, 08:39 AM
cool.. wonder what about..

"We're sorry we've acted like tits this last year. We're starting afresh.."

Unlikely, but it would be cool. nv used to rock, now they have gone down lots IMO. I dont consider myself an nvidiot anymore. :(

PreservedSwine
05-27-03, 08:40 AM
They announced they were going to make an announcememt? Where is the announcement for the announcement that they were going to make an announcement? :alien:

Deimos
05-27-03, 08:41 AM
Maybe they'll inform us when exactly we can actually buy their FX-cards... :rolleyes:

I hate paper-launches.

/Deimos

panzaman
05-27-03, 08:50 AM
..apparently there's something about OEM trying to sue nVidia due to some unsellable inventory (5800??)..and then an official position on the FutureMark issue.

digitalwanderer
05-27-03, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by panzaman
..apparently there's something about OEM trying to sue nVidia due to some unsellable inventory (5800??)

Now there's an interesting bit-o-new-news for me at least, anyone know the OEM?

..and then an official position on the FutureMark issue.

"Futuremark is bad, Futuremark isn't indicative of real world performance, Futuremark doesn't exist so how could we have cheated at it?!?!

Enough silliness."

:rolleyes:

R.Carter
05-27-03, 09:03 AM
Hmm... is that the Visiontek lawsuit thing?

digitalwanderer
05-27-03, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by R.Carter
Hmm... is that the Visiontek lawsuit thing?

I thought VisionTek dumped nVidia just prior to the 5800 Fiasco... :eek2:

panzaman
05-27-03, 09:20 AM
..well I meant OEMs, mind you, my english is not that bad considering I am italian........

R.Carter
05-27-03, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I thought VisionTek dumped nVidia just prior to the 5800 Fiasco... :eek2:

Yes, apparently Visiontek received a number of bad chips or something like that and so that was part of why they dumped Nvidia.

I think they had to destroy about 100,000 cards or something like that...

PreservedSwine
05-27-03, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by panzaman
..well I meant OEMs, mind you, my english is not that bad considering I am italian........

Better than my Italian, for sure:clap: :beer:

digitalwanderer
05-27-03, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by panzaman
..well I meant OEMs, mind you, my english is not that bad considering I am italian........

Your english is excellent, thanks for the news. :)

DaveW
05-27-03, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer

[i]"Futuremark is bad, Futuremark isn't indicative of real world performance, Futuremark doesn't exist so how could we have cheated at it?!?![i]

Hehe "Now children, Futuremark... Futuremark is bad, mkay? Its just bad mkay?"

DaveW
05-27-03, 10:14 AM
Found on Beyond3D


Patric Ojala, the producer for Futuremark's 3DMark2001SE and 3DMark03, has made an update to his own developer page right here at Beyond3D. His latest update consists solely of his brief thoughts on the entire NVIDIA-3DMark03 cheating fiasco. Here's a snip of what he said :

I'm doing my best to keep the next 3DMark on track despite this PR mess, but it's not easy. We are a small company (26 employees tot.) in Finland and a 3 person sales office in the US. We have no desire to confront a huge >1500 employee market leader of high end PC graphics. Some of our documents may be seen as harmful to Nvidia, and I find that regrettable. We only want to defend the validity of our benchmark products, since our business depends on it.

Placid
05-27-03, 10:38 AM
Maybe it's about the stripper at their company party ;)

panzaman
05-27-03, 10:43 AM
..that's right,

"we haven't got 5000 $ to join FM beta program, but we do have $$$ to pay a pornostar and a rock band for a party....."

Uttar
05-27-03, 11:07 AM
I don't know where the $5000 number come from.
I actually think to join the 3DMark 2003 Beta Program, you've got to pay $500K
Might be wrong though


Uttar

c4c
05-27-03, 11:07 AM
It would be so cool if they would just admit that they've been assholes.

Given their statement last week, I really hope they don't try to sue Futuremark. At this point it wouldn't surprise me...

panzaman
05-27-03, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
I don't know where the $5000 number come from.
I actually think to join the 3DMark 2003 Beta Program, you've got to pay $500K
Might be wrong though


Uttar


it comes from one of the guys @ FM.
He also left a message in a comment @ 3dgpu.com stating that in fact 5k is enough to join the program.

webmedic
05-27-03, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
I don't know where the $5000 number come from.
I actually think to join the 3DMark 2003 Beta Program, you've got to pay $500K
Might be wrong though


Uttar

Nope there was a link to the futuremark furums and one of the guys from future mark stated that it was only 5000$ for the lowest level of membership.

Hawk
05-27-03, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
I don't know where the $5000 number come from.
I actually think to join the 3DMark 2003 Beta Program, you've got to pay $500K
Might be wrong though


Uttar




Here is a link to the Beta program, w/ 3 different beta groups, but there is no pricing, but I would assume that the $5,000.00 is the lowest plan.

Someone should ask ATI & Microsoft what they pay. . . .


http://www.futuremark.com/betaprogram/

zakelwe
05-27-03, 11:27 AM
Well I hope they swallow their pride and eat humble pie, this would be a smart move, but I bet they won't.

nVidia didn't get to where they are today by eating humble pie.

You can take that last sentence both ways of course, and they'd both be right !

Regards

Andy

solofly
05-27-03, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
"We're sorry we've acted like tits this last year. We're starting afresh.." :(

They sure did but it happens to the best of us...;)

GlowStick
05-27-03, 11:47 AM
After reading the beta page, here is what you get for the 5k job.

You get the right to mirror 3dmark03 on your website.

Funny thing, ExtremeTech is on the lowist member, they do not have access to the developer version of 3dmark03 : O

and not just anyone can join

The BETA Program is open to established companies that influence the development of the PC industry. In order to ensure the relevance of companies that participate in the benchmark development process, each BETA Program member must:

And to become a all access member it costs over 500k, you acutally have to negotiate it with them, baiscly the more $$$$ you have the more they are gonna try to blackmail you.