Reporting Bias

[shteve]

For the record, I've had loads of 3d graphics cards (I mention this to show I have no particular brand/chipset loyalty):

Rendition (V1000? - creative 3d blaster anyway)
Matrox Mystique
Matrox Millenium 2
voodoo1
Voodoo2, then 2 of them (SLI-monkey!) - (2d was a matrox productiva G100)
ATI Rage 128 (still with the voodoo2's for Glide games)
GF1 DDR
GF2Pro
GF3 (pre Ti)
GF4 Ti4200
bit of a play with an ATI9500 non-pro (3 days!)
ATI 9700 non-pro

My current mobo is an nForce2 (Asus A7N8X DLX).

The recent furore over the benchmark fixing does concern me, especially the reporting of it. ATI's (so called) optmisation has essentially been ratified as a valid driver tweak by Tim Sweeney if it were to be applied to a real-world engine, yet ATI have agreed to remove it anyway as it's not in the spirit of a benchmark (like for like comparison and all that). nVidia's is an out and out cheat, pure & simple. nVidia's response is to say that futuremark just want to make them look bad.

The current "news" item from Volt about ATI's PR reponse seems to ignore this, and belittles it's content with embarrasing blinkered nVidia fanboy attitude.

I read and visit this site daily for nVidia and graphics card news/info and have done since my GF1 days, and whilst I appreciate you will have more of an nVidia leaning (everyone likes to make their team look good), I expect (read hope) that you'll think twice before sullying your good name with such blatant editorialising- especially when the facts don't support it.

[digitalwanderer]

A happy and good thought, but not a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding in this atmosphere. ;)

But I do agree with ya, for what it is worth. :)

[gRoUnD]

Well lets hope no-one ddos this site.

[vampireuk]

If such a thing happened it would just prove that the people bothered by this are just idiots.

[intercede007]

This crap again? Didn't we go through a hole big fiasco when nVidia released the NV30? Welcome to 2003 fella's. Check out CNN.com, I think you've missed some important things recently.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by vampireuk
If such a thing happened it would just prove that the people bothered by this are just idiots.

Agreed!

Idiotic DOS attacks are immature and annoying, whining about it in the forums is where it's at! ;)

[shteve]

I've read my post again, and can't find any reference to launching a Denial of service attack.

And living in the UK, CNN is pretty irrelevant - I admit the 3dmark issue is pretty lame on a global scale, but it's pretty big in the world of PCs, which I thought this forum was about??

Having said that, I have been impressed with the recent updates (especially quoting Carmack's comments and the change of heart from x-bitlabs) as reported from VampireUK (and not just coz I'm scared of Mr Flibble :D ).

Maybe Volt just had a bad day, and there is no chance of us becoming the Inquirer after all :p

[vampireuk]

I try to post pretty much everything NVIDIA related that I get my hands on, remember if there is something we have missed just email us about it.:cool:

[shteve]

A bit O/T :) - Rob, did you ever get that A7N8X up and running?

I'm going to have a look at mine this weekend to see if it's a 1.03 or 1.04 - seeing as it was one of the first available in the UK, it's bound to be a 1.03 and not support the 400MHz FSB :rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

Yeah I've had this system up and running since April now, one hell of a sweet rig to be using:cool:

[shteve]

Good stuff! I'm going to be upgrading my CPU to a 333FSB 2600 this weekend, so the 400FSB is not too much of an issue - would be nice to have in reserve though.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by shteve
I've read my post again, and can't find any reference to launching a Denial of service attack.

No one was implying YOU said there would be a DOS attack, read Ground's post.

[shteve]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
No one was implying YOU said there would be a DOS attack, read Ground's post.

I did read his post - I just wondered what it had to do with mine, that's all.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by shteve
I did read his post - I just wondered what it had to do with mine, that's all.

Actually, methinks it's symptomatic of the very problem you were talking about...so it sort of fits in a Bernstein Bear "Now this is what you should NOT do, now let that be a lesson to you"-kind of way. :)

[Kruno]

If you have a news item you would like to share then e-mail a news poster.
Funny thing, I had some news e-mailed to Volt and it cought out NV lying and Volt posted it.

How is Volt biased in any way?
Volt posts news, pure and simple.

[shteve]

It was this news item that prompted my concerns. As I said earlier, maybe it was just a bad day:

"ATI Is Cheating - 5/27/03 12:14 pm - By: volt - Source: Xbit
Ahh, the moment I was waiting for *sarcastic laughter*. Looks like ATI admitted they "optimized" their drivers to achive higher scores in 3DMark03 *wink wink*
ATI Technologies’ Director of PR, Chris Evenden, responded to accusations in cheating with the CATALYST drivers in order to achieve higher results in 3DMark03. The scandal broke on Friday, the 23rd of May, when Futuremark, the developer of the 3DMark03 issued a document stating that NVIDIA and ATI Technologies implemented cheats in drivers in an attempt to score better in 3DMark03 benchmark.

Anyway, the company claims it will not cheat again with the 3DMark03 and that is definitely a positive piece of information.

Yea right, I find that hard to believe somehow."