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Blacklash
01-03-09, 07:16 AM
Early results are starting to filter in.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3545054&postcount=50

Toss3
01-03-09, 07:32 AM
Early results are starting to filter in.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3545054&postcount=50

Nice to see that they clock well(but so does the pentium D)! What we need is benchmark results! :cool:

mullet
01-03-09, 07:50 AM
DAMN!!!


vcore is quite high. 1.488V for 3.9GHz...
EDIT: I bet 1.50+ in BIOS.

jcrox
01-03-09, 08:34 AM
Yes, Yes... results please. If they are any good at all I'm ordering one... today

Redeemed
01-03-09, 09:23 AM
If there's any truth to that oc'ing demonstration AMD held not too long ago, then even with the high volts they should still run cool! :D

What about benches, any at all? I thought these were supposed to be available on the 8th? Leak or early release?

bacon12
01-03-09, 10:17 AM
Seeing as there are stores in Canada with them in stock we should be seeing some benches NDA or not..

john19055
01-03-09, 06:48 PM
Here a review in Russian I think and they look like they may be as good as the Q9550 ,the benmchmarks are pretty close ,but it is no i7 ,but if the price is right I may try a Phenom II ,They seem to overclock pretty good,4gigs or higher on air.
http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189

Toss3
01-03-09, 07:00 PM
Here a review in Russian I think and they look like they may be as good as the Q9550 ,the benmchmarks are pretty close ,but it is no i7 ,but if the price is right I may try a Phenom II ,They seem to overclock pretty good,4gigs or higher on air.
http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3189

Wow amd delivers another failure; it's struggling even to keep up with the q9550 in most benchmarks! Glad I ordered the i7.

john19055
01-03-09, 07:17 PM
It is no i7 but if they come out and are priced at $150 then they will not be a bad deal,since they do run neck and neck with the Q9550,and if they overclock to 4gigs on air,it don't sound that bad,if the rummors are true.

nekrosoft13
01-03-09, 08:21 PM
vcore is quite high. 1.488V for 3.9GHz...

doesn't it also say that it is on water?

Redeemed
01-03-09, 08:27 PM
Wow amd delivers another failure; it's struggling even to keep up with the q9550 in most benchmarks! Glad I ordered the i7.

According to that review, they're no i7 killer, but they compete where they need to- mainstream and low end... and they seem to do so viciously. i7 is *not* mainstsream... i7 is and will be the exception for some time to come as they are reserved for enthusiasts and top end. Would you say the 4800 series was a flop? Cause if you recall the GTX280 *is* faster than the 4870 1GB... yet the 4800 proves to be more popular. Why might that be?

Going by this review the Phenom II is far from a failure... it could be just what they need if they price it accordingly. OC that PII 940 to 4.4Ghz and you'd have a chip that should compete with the i7 quite easily. Even if that i7 were oc'd as well.

Heck, in some of those tests at 1680x1050 the Phenom II rig pulled ahead of the pack (Crysis, Warhead for example). You're calling that a failure? :lol:

Redeemed
01-03-09, 08:28 PM
doesn't it also say that it is on water?

I can't read russian (or whatever that is)... but all indications are 4.0GHz+ on air at that voltage with relatively low temps should be expected. With top end air cooling 4.4Ghz at those volts with low temps would be a reasonable expectation.

Wont know till more reviews come out, or course.

Bman212121
01-03-09, 08:47 PM
What makes me curious about this release is the fact that it's going to be on AM2+ boards. If the rumors are true that AM3 is just around the corner it makes me wonder what limitations the AM2+ platform has. We won't know until newer boards come out, but it would be interesting to see if they would be significantly faster in another board.

Toss3
01-03-09, 08:50 PM
According to that review, they're no i7 killer, but they compete where they need to- mainstream and low end... and they seem to do so viciously. i7 is *not* mainstsream... i7 is and will be the exception for some time to come as they are reserved for enthusiasts and top end. Would you say the 4800 series was a flop? Cause if you recall the GTX280 *is* faster than the 4870 1GB... yet the 4800 proves to be more popular. Why might that be?

The q9450 should be faster clock for clock than the phenom II if the numbers posted in the review turn out to be true, which means that the q9450 would be the better buy.

Going by this review the Phenom II is far from a failure... it could be just what they need if they price it accordingly. OC that PII 940 to 4.4Ghz and you'd have a chip that should compete with the i7 quite easily. Even if that i7 were oc'd as well.

Not going to help - the i7 already outperforms it when clocked lower(the i7 2,66 and phenom II at 3Ghz), so higher clocks should bring nothing new to the table.

Heck, in some of those tests at 1680x1050 the Phenom II rig pulled ahead of the pack (Crysis, Warhead for example). You're calling that a failure? :lol:

They were seriously gpu bottlenecked in that particular benchmark and as you might know its the lower res scores that count in gaming benchmarks when it comes to processors. The phenom II is no match for the i7 but performs on the same level as a lower clocked q9550.

Blacklash
01-03-09, 11:20 PM
One good thing about Phenom II is some low cost 790GX mobos already have a BIOS out for it. The below Foxconn for 115usd is gtg with the latest BIOS-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186150

Also the 9950 is down to 160usd and the 125w version is down to 170usd-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103273

The 9850 is about 150usd-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249

DDR2 1066 ram is also fairly cheap these days. 2 x 2Gb for 45usd-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231226

A 790GX mobo and a 9950 wouldn't be a bad option for AMD fans. A lot of those do 3.1GHz with no trouble at all. HD 4870 1GB cards are down to 240usd.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131120

A couple of those on the above platform would make for a solid gaming rig. Personally, I'd probably go for the 9950 over the 300usd 940, even though the 940 is faster and OCs higher.

You could go single HD 4870 1GB, 9950 125w, 790GX mobo, DDR 2 1066 ram 2 x 2Gb for about 570usd. Most good X58 mobos are 300usd+ The AMD mobo, CPU and ram I listed = 330usd. Also DDR 3 ram is definitely pricey when compared to DDR2.

nekrosoft13
01-03-09, 11:44 PM
there is a reason why they are so cheap

Blacklash
01-04-09, 12:09 AM
My primary rig is in my sig. Then I have a seconday rig with a BX2 and a Q6600 G0. It's going to get a GTX 295. My third AMD rig is going to be rebuilt as per my last post.

I'll have results from it by the middle of next week. I expect it to deliver fine gaming results @ 1920x with filtering. We will see.

Redeemed
01-04-09, 12:09 AM
there is a reason why they are so cheap

So, by your logic, there is also a reason why DDR2 is so cheap, in general? :lol:

For the price range they target, they compete nicely.

I offered assistance with your 9550 rig in another thread yet you didn't respond. I half think you like having AMD as the inferior choice. :lol:

nekrosoft13
01-04-09, 12:44 AM
assistance? for what? I don't mind Phenons, I have two of them now. But hoping that they actually match Intel in performance anytime soon is a stretch

Redeemed
01-04-09, 01:06 AM
assistance? for what? I don't mind Phenons, I have two of them now. But hoping that they actually match Intel in performance anytime soon is a stretch

Oh my bad. :(

In that other thread I was referring to, you came across as if you were having problems with your 9550 box... mentioned how it was painfully slow or what not. Which would indicate something wrong with the box more than likely as any Phenom rig I've ever used, and going by reviews, indicates in most scenarios they're anything but painfully slow. :lol:

Guess I just mis-understood you.

As to matching Intel.. AMD has matched Intel where it matters. i7 is nothing but the enthusiast platform and wont be something for the mainstream crowd for quite some time. Not untill mobo, CPU, and DDR3 prices drop with the i7 be a viable mainstream platform. The Core2 Quad is what AMD *should* compete with, as that is their league (i7 is out of their league, IOW), and where all the money can be made. So far the current Phenoms lag ever so slightly behind, while the Phenom II should be pretty competitive... and highly over clockable.

As to these first Phenom IIs being AM2+... AMD is doing that to make the transition easier for most. All AM3 really offers is a faster HT link I believe, some power saving features, and DDR3 support (via that actually DIMM slots). Be that as it may, every AM3 PII will be backwards compatible with AM2+. Meaning if you have an AM2+ mobo that supports the Phenom II now... it will continue to do so until the next socket change.

Shamrock
01-04-09, 01:29 AM
ACK!!! stop calling it a PII !! It's NOT a Pentium II, call it PhII or something, LOL!

Blacklash
01-04-09, 03:22 AM
Meh, I decided to not bother with upgrading my AMD rig. The below old article from Legion Hardware changed my mind-

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770

john19055
01-04-09, 04:06 AM
It looks good as much as I can tell by googleing ,They said they will do around 4g to 4.2g on air and even higher on water and one site was useing a LN2 system and did way past 5gigs.IMO if ever thing works as has been seen on a few previews,I think AMD has a winner on there hands .Because if they sell them around $150 to $175 and if they will do 4gigs on air and running just as fast as a Q9550 then Quite a few people will get them because of the price and you don't need a $300 motherboard and high dollar DDR3 memory.DDR2 is dirt cheap right now.You can get a loaded AsRock 780a for $159 that will do Tri SLI and it is already AM3 CPU ready just needs a bios update and it Supports Hyper-Transport 3.0.More people will already have DDR2 memory so just a Phenom II and a mother board. $300 to $350 is a lot cheaper then a i7 $800 upgrade.I think I will go with AMD this time around if it works as good as the previews sound and if they have them priced right.I am glad AMD is starting to do better ,they already have a good Video card.

Eliminator
01-04-09, 11:09 AM
well a local shop here already has prices for it and its $300 for the 920 (2.8ghz) and $360 for the 940 (3ghz)... thats quite pricy... a q6600 with a decent mobo is still a better deal

saturnotaku
01-04-09, 12:03 PM
well a local shop here already has prices for it and its $300 for the 920 (2.8ghz) and $360 for the 940 (3ghz)... thats quite pricy... a q6600 with a decent mobo is still a better deal

The 920 is 2.66 GHz, not 2.8.