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Toss3
01-08-09, 05:05 AM
Reviews are getting published today so post 'em here! :)

Guru3D (http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-920-and-940-review-test/)
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492)
HardOCP (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==)(mos t negative article ever? :D)
Techreport (http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16147)
Lostcircuits
(http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=42)PCGamesHardware (http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,672218/Reviews/AMD_Phenom_II_X4-_Deneb_reviewed/?page=1)(includes some very interesting GTA IV benchmarks)
Tbreak (http://www.tbreak.com/articles/37/1/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940/Page1.html)
Xbitlabs (http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom-ii-x4.html)
Hexus (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16757)
Bit-Tech (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/01/08/amd-phenom-ii-x4-940-and-920-review/1)
Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-940,2114.html)
HOT Hardware (http://hothardware.com/Articles/Enter-The-Dragon-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940/)
Extremetech (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2338338,00.asp)

Toss3
01-08-09, 05:11 AM
Redeemed it appears that you were right! These are performing very well! (nana2) Thinking about building me another phenom II rig to go along with my upcoming i7 :bleh:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=34898&stc=1&d=1231413092

Toss3
01-08-09, 05:55 AM
Here are the interesting GTA IV benchmarks from pcgameshardware:

http://pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/original/2009/01/gta4-2.PNG

nekrosoft13
01-08-09, 06:23 AM
The AMD Phenom II still simply does not best the Intel Core 2 Quad on a clock per clock basis. I think enthusiasts were at least expecting for AMD to pull up a bit beyond Core 2 given Intel’s recent leap ahead with Core i7. No matter our expectations, the Phenom II does not have what it takes to be a champion..

Toss3
01-08-09, 06:36 AM
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Not in overall performance(or clock for clock), but for gaming they are better/equal to core 2 quads! :)

Blacklash
01-08-09, 06:47 AM
Ouch, an I7 920 @ the same clock would crush the new Phenom 940 in FC2.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNyw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

nekrosoft13
01-08-09, 07:01 AM
Ouch, an I7 920 @ the same clock would crush the new Phenom 940 in FC2.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNyw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

clock for clock i7 crashes PII in almost everytest

Toss3
01-08-09, 07:02 AM
Ouch, an I7 920 @ the same clock would crush the new Phenom 940 in FC2.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNyw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Those results are very weird as they used the same specs in an earlier review and in that review the qx9770 outperformed the i7. :bleh:

Here's what I'm talking about:

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1225698242I6VvskAKIu_2_1.gif

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1231365410xg79CiVG5M_5_1.gif

a12ctic
01-08-09, 07:38 AM
Regardless of the naysayers, I feel like the Phenom II is AMD's 4800 series. It definitely keeps up with and for the most part beats Intel's offerings before, and trails slightly behind the i7. That would be a problem, but the pricing is undercutting Intel by a lot, and once you calculate the whole platform in (790 series chipsets are beasts, and rediculously cheap) its definately a pretty killer combination.

Toss3
01-08-09, 07:54 AM
Regardless of the naysayers, I feel like the Phenom II is AMD's 4800 series. It definitely keeps up with and for the most part beats Intel's offerings before, and trails slightly behind the i7. That would be a problem, but the pricing is undercutting Intel by a lot, and once you calculate the whole platform in (790 series chipsets are beasts, and rediculously cheap) its definately a pretty killer combination.

The i7 is much faster than the Phenom II - no doubt about it and the Phenom II is a very nice alternative to the intel quad cores, but in no way is it like the 4800 series of gpus(the 4800 managed to beat nvidia's gpus of the same generation while the phenom II struggles to keep up with Intel's last gen offerings).

The nice part here is that Intel is probably going to drop the prices of the Yorkfields pretty soon. ;)

Madpistol
01-08-09, 08:07 AM
Remember, an i7 setup costs a lot of money for the motherboard and DDR3 memory, as well as the processor. the Phenom II setup costs about 60% of the cost it would take to get a good i7 920 setup. For that reason alone, I think AMD has gotten close to Intel once again. Albeit, they are not beating Intel, but this is a great step forward for AMD. :)

Toss3
01-08-09, 08:19 AM
Remember, an i7 setup costs a lot of money for the motherboard and DDR3 memory, as well as the processor. the Phenom II setup costs about 60% of the cost it would take to get a good i7 920 setup. For that reason alone, I think AMD has gotten close to Intel once again. Albeit, they are not beating Intel, but this is a great step forward for AMD. :)

But you're forgetting that the quad core train left two years ago and that most people who are interested in the performance section already upgraded to an intel c2d or quad processor. The Phenom II is offering nothing above what Intel offered consumers a long time ago and amd are not giving the c2 people any reason to switch camps.

And an i7 920 setup costs 700$ which is pretty much the same amount of money I spent when I went the q6600 route.

nekrosoft13
01-08-09, 08:40 AM
Remember, an i7 setup costs a lot of money for the motherboard and DDR3 memory, as well as the processor. the Phenom II setup costs about 60% of the cost it would take to get a good i7 920 setup. For that reason alone, I think AMD has gotten close to Intel once again. Albeit, they are not beating Intel, but this is a great step forward for AMD. :)

cost wise maybe, but you also are getting less then 60% of performance.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 08:41 AM
Regardless of the naysayers, I feel like the Phenom II is AMD's 4800 series. It definitely keeps up with and for the most part beats Intel's offerings before, and trails slightly behind the i7. That would be a problem, but the pricing is undercutting Intel by a lot, and once you calculate the whole platform in (790 series chipsets are beasts, and rediculously cheap) its definately a pretty killer combination.


:thumbdwn:

AMD Phenom II is EPIC FAILURE. Can't keep up with Core 2 not to mention i7. It barely keeps up with q6600, heck overclocked q6600 will beat crap out of it and it's cheaper to build.

As I said Phenom II is UTTER CRAP. What a dissapointment. Flagship is $275? Haha Only moron would buy it over i920 $299.

CASE CLOSED.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 08:43 AM
cost wise maybe, but you also are getting less then 60% of performance.

Amd Phenom II 940 X4 is $275 -> i7 i920 is $299. Math is simple here. Only stupid man would go and buy Phenom II which can't even keep up with Core 2. HardH review was just right, there is no need to lie around. They simply said AMD failed.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 08:45 AM
Regardless of the naysayers, I feel like the Phenom II is AMD's 4800 series. It definitely keeps up with and for the most part beats Intel's offerings before, and trails slightly behind the i7. That would be a problem, but the pricing is undercutting Intel by a lot, and once you calculate the whole platform in (790 series chipsets are beasts, and rediculously cheap) its definately a pretty killer combination.

It does not beat Core 2, hard time keeping with q6600. Overclocked q6600 3.2Ghz reachable for 98% of q6600 out there will beat crap out of it and it's cheaper for $100.

Too bad AMD can't deliver a ****.

Toss3
01-08-09, 08:55 AM
Flagship is $275? Haha Only moron would buy it over i920 $299.

So put in your order yet? ;)

DiscipleDOC
01-08-09, 09:24 AM
I've stickied this thread.

Members, if you see any trolls, please let the mods know so we can keep this thread clean.;)

a12ctic
01-08-09, 09:36 AM
It does not beat Core 2, hard time keeping with q6600. Overclocked q6600 3.2Ghz reachable for 98% of q6600 out there will beat crap out of it and it's cheaper for $100.

Too bad AMD can't deliver a ****.

It depends on what review your reading, but in gaming especially, the Phenom II took away any gap in gaming, what most of nvnews readers are interested in. Stop trolling.

Toss3
01-08-09, 12:05 PM
Indeed very interesting. One of the most demanding games right now, CPU wise, and a 3.6GHz Phenom II is slower than a 2.66 GHz i7.

I think [H] got it right. The Phenom II is great from a performance/price point of view. It's s decent CPU for a midrange gaming system. But the new Phenom is not up to the task when it comes to highend gaming. The insane CPU limitation in the FC2 graph over at [H] shows that clearly.

One other thing that worries me is overclocking. I though these were supposed to be great overclockers... 1.45-1.60V is way too much for a 45nm CPU :(

The midrange is their target right now - but they're two years too late to the game to be able to sell any large quantities.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 12:28 PM
I've stickied this thread.

Members, if you see any trolls, please let the mods know so we can keep this thread clean.;)

Didn't want to look as troll, but i was really disapointed. I was expecting more from AMD Phenom II at least in term of overclockability.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 12:29 PM
The midrange is their target right now - but they're two years too late to the game to be able to sell any large quantities.


I just don't see how $275 is a midrange when you have i7 920 for $299.

hell_of_doom227
01-08-09, 12:30 PM
So put in your order yet? ;)

Nope. Happy with my q6700 read below. My aim is first six or 8 core CPU.

DiscipleDOC
01-08-09, 12:59 PM
Didn't want to look as troll, but i was really disapointed. I was expecting more from AMD Phenom II at least in term of overclockability.

There's no problem with you stating your reasons for disliking hardware. A troll is someone that come into this thread just for the sake of belittling a member and/or trashing the product in question.

You're good bro! ;)

Bearclaw
01-08-09, 01:03 PM
It would be more appealing if it was priced lower. It is priced higher than the Q6600 which can beat it at most if not all settings. If it was lower than the q6600, etc. then it might be more interesting.

I will agree with hell_of_doom and say failure on AMD's part. If it was priced differently, I would say otherwise but until then...