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PsychoSy
05-30-03, 03:24 AM
Gotta replace my ECS K7S5A and fast. I'm ready to order an nForce2 mainboard that absolutely MUST support...

SoundStorm
400Mhz FSB

Only two motherboards stand out...

ASUS A7N8X
Abit NF7-S

The problem here is complete utter indecision...:(

Reading around, it seems that alot of the nForce2 boards will just up and die for no reason, fail to boot and die after saving BIOS changes, and leaking capacitors (especially the Abit board). Compounding these issues is Anandtech's reviews state that Abit's customer and RMA support is the best out there however scores of people on the AmdMB.Com forums beg to differ and frequently say Abit downright blows in terms of support, RMAs, and quality. Asus doesn't come out unscathed either - I've read reports that quite a number of people had to go through the RMA process 3 times or more before they hit gold.

Christ...:(

Next worry is the hope that these boards aren't that picky with basic, generic PC2100 DDR. I'm forced to use my existing RAM as I simply can afford replacing it. My RAM is made by Apacer yet one module uses genuine Samsung chips while the other uses Infineon - and they stick out as top quality DRAM makers out of the entire generic RAM crowd. Granted, they aren't Crucial or Corsair but I can't afford either of them at the moment.

Lastly, it can't be too picky with my existing PSU, which is a generic 400watt PSU. This PSU, despite being generic, provides 15-30+ amps on the 3.3 and 5v rails. If it didn't, my ECS K7S5A - notorius for being picky on PSU units for a "cheap" motherboard - wouldn't be working right now. I'm hoping that since the ECS likes this PSU, I shouldn't have any problems with any nForce2 mainboard from a top-tier manufacturer.

Let me make something clear - this operation is strictly to replace my existing mainboard due to security issues . First and foremost, that's the immediate short term goal. And the long term goal is for something that'll be scalable enough so that when my finances are much more positive, then I can concentrate of lavising it with higher quality RAM and a new CPU that'll put in confortable shape until Hammer comes out.

Money is tight - very tight - so I can't be doing a complete overall with all my parts (new RAM, new PSU, etc.) just by simply replacing a mainboard. What I have to do is give my mother cash to deposit in her account so I can use her debit card to order online and save money. A month ago, I gave her $100 extra to order an $89 harddrive. Today, I gave her the cash to float a replacement motherboard. Under such scenario, if NONE fo the nForce2 solutions like my existing gear, it'd take me a good month or two more to replace RAM and a PSU hence the urgency and necessity that these nForce2 boards I'm contemplating on work nicely with what I already have to work with. If these boards didn't, I'd be either without a working PC for months or tolerating this K7S5A's weekly "CMOS Lost" issues while new parts sit in the closet taunting me.

So, in closing, I need some honest recommendations on which nForce2 board to snag, including links to the latest, most stable and reliable drivers and trouble-free BIOS updates.

Lay 'em on me, brethren!! :afro:

DaveW
05-30-03, 11:57 AM
Having once been the victim of the Asus P4S8X I will never buy Asus again. If you are not familiar with the P4S8X I'll tell you. It was defective, all of them, for the first two or three batches shipped were just unusable. Asus still slapped a QA stamp on them and shipped them though, which says to me that their QA process sucks. Thats why I won't buy Asus again.

netviper13
05-30-03, 12:49 PM
I upgraded from the ECS K7S6A (nearly identical to yours) to my current Abit NF7-S and had no problems. All other components remained the same (PC2100 RAM, etc) and no stability issues so far.

The issues with BIOS loss were nearly completely solved in the Rev. 2 boards, which I believe are the only thing Newegg is shipping right now. I think the big problem was that people would overclock with an old BIOS, then with the overclocked settings still in place would flash to a new BIOS. I've updated the BIOS on my board twice now, and every time before flashing I revert to default settings, and have had no problems to speak of.

As far as PSU is concerned, I owned a K7S5A for a while, and I can tell you that a PSU that works with that damned board should work with any other board in existance, lol.

When I first got the board, I used Soundstorm for my analog audio; but it just wasn't sounding very good, so I'm back to using my GTXP. It didn't sound terrible, mind you, just that the GTXP sounds better. I do have both cards (soundstorm and gtxp) enabled so I can use the Soundstorm with headphones at a LAN party. I'm using the drivers that shipped with the Abit board and have had no stability issues whatsoever; my one cautionary note would be to just say no to nVidia's IDE drivers. When installing the drivers it will ask you if you want to install IDE drivers, and definitely say NO.

To conclude, as a former ECS board owner myself, I would wholly recommend this board as an excellent upgrade.

PsychoSy
05-30-03, 01:21 PM
I just placed the order before your response, netviper - the Abit NF7-S Rev. 2.0. :)

For some reason, the board just seemed to stick out in the crowd. Done some digging at NForcersHQ and their review was pretty good. I figure I better give Abit a try before the rumored production overhaul takes place - I got word that Abit is outsourcing two of their boards to ECS and, if it pans out well, Abit won't outrule outsourcing their entire board manufacturing to ECS some time down the road.

ECS is quickly becoming the "Microsoft" of motherboards, man! :eek:

netviper13
05-30-03, 01:28 PM
Whew, glad I bought my Abit when I did then; I hope the Abit outsourcing idea gets thrown out, because ECS may provide good value money wise, but its quality is certainly questionable.

Can'tGETright
05-30-03, 03:21 PM
buy an epox board

Smokey
05-31-03, 06:55 AM
*UPDATE*

scrap my earlier post, it didnt work :p back on the KT3Ultra now :D

Riptide
05-31-03, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by DaveW
Having once been the victim of the Asus P4S8X I will never buy Asus again. If you are not familiar with the P4S8X I'll tell you. It was defective, all of them, for the first two or three batches shipped were just unusable. Asus still slapped a QA stamp on them and shipped them though, which says to me that their QA process sucks. Thats why I won't buy Asus again.
I am also a victim of the ASUS P4S8X fiasco. It is good to meet another brother who went through that hellish experience. ;)

What particularly upsets me about the P4S8X... I bought that board based on reviews. I will *never* trust another review again for any computer part. Period. I don't care who writes it.

It took a trip to asusboards.com's forums before I realized that I wasn't doing anything wrong, that this board was a complete piece of garbage, and that a lot of people were very upset. And ASUS did not do much to help the situation. Their "fixed" BIOS which took months to come out screwed your memory performance (read: fix was to chew up performance). Weeee... That motherboard cost me my most precious commodity: time. I spent hours and hours troubleshooting it, not to mention the actual installation of the board/CPU which takes a bit of time.

While my P4PE has been just fine I do intend to go back to Abit if their product looks AT ALL better when my next upgrade comes around.

Cotita
06-01-03, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by Can'tGETright
buy an epox board

Epox boards don't support soundstorm

Gigabyte just released 2 boards based on nforce2 400 and both support soundstorm.

Shaitan
06-01-03, 11:59 AM
update folks. I found out my o/c problem. Seems certain T-Breds like my 2700+ multiplyers are locked, so I did the wire trick and now am running at 11X200. So yup, the A7N8X Deluxe rev 1.04 with the new 1004 bios does do 400 mhz. I am impressed. Ni8ce to see my DDR400 running properly now at the full 400 mhz fsb.

FastM
06-01-03, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Cotita
Epox boards don't support soundstorm

Gigabyte just released 2 boards based on nforce2 400 and both support soundstorm.

Yes they do, the only thing missing to get certified is SPDIF bracket is not included (must be purchased sepretaly from Epox).

I would still buy the Abit though.

|JuiceZ|
06-02-03, 11:23 AM
Yup, have had my nf7-s for a lil over 2months, still loving it.

LORD-eX-Bu
06-02-03, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by DaveW
Having once been the victim of the Asus P4S8X I will never buy Asus again. If you are not familiar with the P4S8X I'll tell you. It was defective, all of them, for the first two or three batches shipped were just unusable. Asus still slapped a QA stamp on them and shipped them though, which says to me that their QA process sucks. Thats why I won't buy Asus again.

exact same thing happened to me with the MSI version of the board you are talking about. Hey wait, wasn't I the one that convinced you to try out that P4s8x?:angel:

/runs away and hides