I think I am going to get this TV soon, what do you think?

[ViN86]

ive been lookin for a new 1080p HDTV to replace my aging 720p TV. id like a 120Hz LCD with a good contrast ratio and a price under $1500.

i have found this little beauty:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDL-40Z4100-B-40-Inch/dp/B0019GTRM6

has a lot of features and has good reviews (it's actually pretty much an XBR minus 2 or 3 features, see bottom of link).

just wondering if anyone here has one or any other thoughts you guys may have.

[|MaguS|]

My friend has one and it looks amazing, but I honestly thought my Panny looked better (we were playing PS3). I know my TV lacks alot of the features but I doubt I will ever notice the lack of them.

The blacks on his set were good but not nearly as dark as I like them but the color vibrancy was just as good. One thing his TV did better was SD resolutions... PS2 and standard TV were better...

[ViN86]

so, what should i really be looking for?

is the best picture a combination of contrast ratio, resolution, and refresh rate? or other things?

i really want to get the best bang for my buck and i want 1080p and HDMI. also, the screen absolutely CANNOT have input lag. i will be very upset if any of my games (ie Guitar Hero) lag on the screen.

[|MaguS|]

Any decent TV will not have ghosting or input lag. Heck, My sisters old DLP down stairs has none and its over 3 years old now.

I don't know how important refresh rate is when it comes to TVs for normal viewing and gaming, I can only expect it being important for PC hookup and possibly highend Blu-Ray viewing.

Contrast Ratio, Resolution and Black Levels are the most important, look up reviews prior to purchase to make sure the numbers aren't inflated to rediculous numbers.

This is the TV I have and I am extremely satisfied with it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187081

[ViN86]

Any decent TV will not have ghosting or input lag. Heck, My sisters old DLP down stairs has none and its over 3 years old now.

I don't know how important refresh rate is when it comes to TVs for normal viewing and gaming, I can only expect it being important for PC hookup and possibly highend Blu-Ray viewing.

Contrast Ratio, Resolution and Black Levels are the most important, look up reviews prior to purchase to make sure the numbers aren't inflated to rediculous numbers.

This is the TV I have and I am extremely satisfied with it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187081

honestly, how much difference does 120Hz/24p make?

[|MaguS|]

honestly, how much difference does 120Hz/24p make?

No clue, I never saw the difference.

[Imbroglio]

honestly, how much difference does 120Hz/24p make?


like i told you when i talked to you. 120/24p is supposedly 24 frames per second. At 120hz, it's the same exact screen 5 times, whereas in 60hz something refered to as 2:3 pulldown occurs. While I have a tv that supports 120hz, and a BD players outputting 24p, I honestly don't see that much of a difference. In fact I usually leave the 120hz off when watching cable or playing a game. Of course I have a LCoS display, so I don't have to worry about motion blur (response time is around 16 microseconds, as opposed to 2-8 milliseconds). I also have a few friends with panny plasmas that also never use it. When you think about it, most games are struggling to hit 720/60p (iirc the only one that actually acheives this is GT5).

Like you said though, LCDs can be sensitive to input lag, just make sure you thoroughly research you set (go to store and hook up your 360). :D

[ViN86]

like i told you when i talked to you. 120/24p is supposedly 24 frames per second. At 120hz, it's the same exact screen 5 times, whereas in 60hz something refered to as 2:3 pulldown occurs. While I have a tv that supports 120hz, and a BD players outputting 24p, I honestly don't see that much of a difference. In fact I usually leave the 120hz off when watching cable or playing a game. Of course I have a LCoS display, so I don't have to worry about motion blur (response time is around 16 microseconds, as opposed to 2-8 milliseconds). I also have a few friends with panny plasmas that also never use it. When you think about it, most games are struggling to hit 720/60p (iirc the only one that actually acheives this is GT5).

Like you said though, LCDs can be sensitive to input lag, just make sure you thoroughly research you set (go to store and hook up your 360). :D

well the 42" Panasonic Plasma i can get for under $900 so i will probably go with that.

[|MaguS|]

well the 42" Panasonic Plasma i can get for under $900 so i will probably go with that.

Trust me, You wont be disappointed. It's an amazing screen and has been rated the best in its class by many sites.

[Revs]

well the 42" Panasonic Plasma i can get for under $900 so i will probably go with that.

I was about to suggest a Panasonic. I don't think they make a bad TV. Just keep in mind when you're looking at refresh rate to keep you v-sync in mind ;). Mine runs at 60hz and I don't notice any flickering at all.

[ViN86]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00142JKRW/ref=s9_subs_c2_s1_p23_t2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=08HQNNBED0VMGJ9MQK8N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383371&pf_rd_i=507846

I am liking this Panasonic Plasma :D

[mullet]

It puts out a ton of heat to, good in the winter.

[ViN86]

It puts out a ton of heat to, good in the winter.

LOL

they have a Sony 42" 120Hz LCD for sale at Best Buy for $999 with no interest for 3 years right now.

[Medion]

ive been lookin for a new 1080p HDTV to replace my aging 720p TV. id like a 120Hz LCD with a good contrast ratio and a price under $1500.

i have found this little beauty:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDL-40Z4100-B-40-Inch/dp/B0019GTRM6

has a lot of features and has good reviews (it's actually pretty much an XBR minus 2 or 3 features, see bottom of link).

just wondering if anyone here has one or any other thoughts you guys may have.

Just adding my opinion into this take it as you wish.

The Sony Bravia V-Series is a solid set, but overpriced, as it compares pretty much with the Samsung 5 series in specs, though the V-Series adds 120hz. The Samsung 6-series is significantly better, and at about the same price as the V-Series.

40" - about the same price (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN40A650-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B0014175NE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232914193&sr=1-1)
46" - still under $1500 shipped (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A650-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B001413D94/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232914193&sr=1-2)

As for what 120hz does for you, it does two things.

24P Playback - For Blu-Ray players that support this, it helps remove jutter. Blu-Ray movies are encoded at 24fps. Using a 60hz set, you get 2:3 pulldown. A simple explanation is that one frame is refreshed twice, then the next refreshed 3 times, repeat until you get 60. It's not the smoothest way to have a movie playback, but few people notice it. On a 120hz set, each frame is displayed through 5 refreshes (5*24 = 120).

Auto-Motion Plus - This is what Samsung calls their 120hz feature, others call it SmoothMotion, or other such names. It's basically an on/off feature that is supposed to add a film like quality to tv and DVD, but to me, it just makes everything look like a soap opera. I leave this off, but you can decide for yourself what you think of the feature.

[bacon12]

Vin see if you can disable the 120hz on any of those. I love it for sports and really fast motion, but the picture is much better in movies with it disabled.

I own this one and love it, but the ability to do both is necessary.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104125

[Medion]

Vin see if you can disable the 120hz on any of those. I love it for sports and really fast motion, but the picture is much better in movies with it disabled.

I own this one and love it, but the ability to do both is necessary.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104125

Just wanted to reiterate:



As for what 120hz does for you, it does two things.

24P Playback - For Blu-Ray players that support this, it helps remove jutter. Blu-Ray movies are encoded at 24fps. Using a 60hz set, you get 2:3 pulldown. A simple explanation is that one frame is refreshed twice, then the next refreshed 3 times, repeat until you get 60. It's not the smoothest way to have a movie playback, but few people notice it. On a 120hz set, each frame is displayed through 5 refreshes (5*24 = 120).

Auto-Motion Plus - This is what Samsung calls their 120hz feature, others call it SmoothMotion, or other such names. It's basically an on/off feature that is supposed to add a film like quality to tv and DVD, but to me, it just makes everything look like a soap opera. I leave this off, but you can decide for yourself what you think of the feature.

There's a lot of confusion on 120hz. You can't "disable" it. The tv will always refresh at 120hz. However, you can choose not to use 24p output from a source that supports it (though that would be borderline crazy). You can also choose to disable frame-interpolation (Samsung's Auto Motion Plus, as well as other companies' names for it). This is the feature, Bacon, I think you're referring to.