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Noriega
01-23-09, 06:00 PM
I just can't understand why Ati, AMD, Nvidia and Intel are not interested in game development. They selling hundred of millions products every year. They hire hundred of thousands people. They making bilion dollars each year. I can see what's going on vide world while there is new game like GTA IV or Crysis. Peoples are buying new PC's, new GPU's etc. While they have had chance to buy and play GTA IV half year ago on consoles. They should start making games that are showing power of their new architectures we truly can't say that GTA IV is well looking and optimized game. Today we have hardware that is supperior comparing to consoles but developers care more aobut making games on consoles and than porting it to PC. I think that they should create developers studios that will make PC only games like Crysis on PC, Kill Zone 2 on PS3 or Halo 3 for Xbox 360. Those games are system sellers. I think it is good time to make so cause if they will delay with this there will be worse future. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo marketing is strong, MS is even slapping PC gamers with FSX. I know that PC can live without their help but their is businness with it for them and for US.

saturnotaku
01-23-09, 06:15 PM
Make billions each year? How about AMD's $1.42 billion loss in Q4 (http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Fires-Shot-at-Intel-After-Reporting-Quarterly-Loss/)? Or NVIDIA's revenue down 40-50 percent (http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3796086/nVidia+Sales+Plunge+on+Bad+Fourth+Quarter.htm)? Or Intel's plunging profits and net income (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16241)?

Here's a free Business 101 lesson - corporations exist to make money for their stakeholders. Not to cater to your petulant whims and whining. If, as you claim, the business were there, would these companies not be on board?

Furthermore, the main sources of revenue for companies such as AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA are from commercial and business customers. Enthusiast products account for a small fraction of these companies' businesses. It would be financial suicide to invest tens of millions of dollars for something that would provide far from reliable returns.

said53
01-23-09, 06:27 PM
Not every one have 8800GTX and Core Duo . There is a lot of people using laptops that use cheap integrated video cards. :) and don't forget about cheap Dell desktops !!!

Noriega
01-23-09, 06:31 PM
Make billions each year? How about AMD's $1.42 billion loss in Q4 (http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Fires-Shot-at-Intel-After-Reporting-Quarterly-Loss/)? Or NVIDIA's revenue down 40-50 percent (http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3796086/nVidia+Sales+Plunge+on+Bad+Fourth+Quarter.htm)? Or Intel's plunging profits and net income (http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16241)?

Here's a free Business 101 lesson - corporations exist to make money for their stakeholders. Not to cater to your petulant whims and whining. If, as you claim, the business were there, would these companies not be on board?

Furthermore, the main sources of revenue for companies such as AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA are from commercial and business customers. Enthusiast products account for a small fraction of these companies' businesses. It would be financial suicide to invest tens of millions of dollars for something that would provide far from reliable returns.

Lol? Making 2 bilions of dolar less than year ago is still 8 bilion $.

Remember that this game doesn't need to be free if this game will be good and well optimized there is big chance for good sale.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439

@said53 in 2007 there was about 100 mln of nonintegrated graphic cards sold

MaxFX
01-23-09, 06:53 PM
Well said Noriega as I have had the exact same thought for years now.
Make great Pc only games and of course it will sell hardware no matter what other say.

If it's Pc only and well optimised then we would be in heaven and in the end the nVidia/AMD would benefit from it, say nothing else is a damn lie and look Intel bought up these guys who are devleping the great looking game what the name was ?? hehe
So atleast Intel is smart enough to take the first step. They want to sell Larabee's so it's Pc only and we dont have to cut any corners at all they said so thats one smart move now nVidia will follow :D

Noriega
01-23-09, 07:01 PM
This Intel's game is Project Offset. I really can't wait for Larabee and this game. I'm glad that Intels talks more about PC as a gaming.

Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are buying developers to make games only for their consoles-> less games on PC-> less hardware sold and this can get worse every year.

And if games is not a port nad it's made with close relations of hardware maker there are bigger chances that this game will be well optimised or/and will have superior graphics which mean that it will sell better.

|MaguS|
01-23-09, 07:19 PM
First it would take alot of capitol to establish a development studio... then they would have to risk putting new IPs in an industry where its very risky to go with a new IP.

Then also Nvidia makes very little in the Enthusiast market. Most of their revenue like Sat said is from the business and consumer market. Im willing to bet that their high end GPUs are less then 25% of their sales. Look at DELL and Gateway, very few of their systems use the best GPUs available.

I bet Project Offset will see a console release, Intel wants money and they wont limit a title to a single platform that will not gaurentee them a return.

Noriega
01-23-09, 08:41 PM
PC games development studio is more cheap than consoles one.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2008-04/desktop_aic_mkt_trends_q4_2007_jpr.png

Who buys 250$ GPU to office or for internet?

Ninja Prime
01-23-09, 09:43 PM
PC games development studio is more cheap than consoles one.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2008-04/desktop_aic_mkt_trends_q4_2007_jpr.png

Who buys 250$ GPU to office or for internet?

Clearly you have no idea wtf you're talking about, and that graph has nothing to do with your comment.

methimpikehoses
01-23-09, 10:09 PM
:lol:

Noriega
01-23-09, 10:13 PM
Clearly you have no idea wtf you're talking about, and that graph has nothing to do with your comment.

Go to consoles world I bet you just looked at the graph and didn't read whole article people like you should play whole life on consoles with only lame mode unlocked

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/GTFO.gif

Ninja Prime
01-23-09, 10:39 PM
Go to consoles world I bet you just looked at the graph and didn't read whole article people like you should play whole life on consoles with only lame mode unlocked

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/GTFO.gif

Finish learning English, then I'll argue with you.

Noriega
01-23-09, 10:43 PM
Finishing learning English, then I'll argue with you.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa216/GrayAZ_2007/GTFO.gif

mojoman0
01-23-09, 11:39 PM
www.projectoffset.com

|MaguS|
01-24-09, 12:14 AM
PC games development studio is more cheap than consoles one.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2008-04/desktop_aic_mkt_trends_q4_2007_jpr.png

Who buys 250$ GPU to office or for internet?

What does the average selling price of a GPU have to do with game development? There is more QA and Testing to be done on PC Game Development then that of console. Heck other then the initial cost of the DevKits, console development is cheaper in the long run and the returns are alot greater.

BTW your chart is misleading because it compares the average price of all discreet cards. The average price is higher because the price difference between the top teir and the average consumer card is so large. It would be like saying the average person in america spends 30K on a car by putting corvettes and top BMWs in the list alone with Focus's yet Focus and Civics outsell the corvettes and top BMWs in the states by 3:1 (if not more).

MaxFX
01-24-09, 06:15 AM
Go to consoles world I bet you just looked at the graph and didn't read whole article people like you should play whole life on consoles with only lame mode unlocked

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/GTFO.gif

You know the world is full of IDIOTS so better leave the douchbag alone, he can play on his wii and cry to mum how much he want to be a bad boy and get a real gaming machine aka Pc :D

John Carmac said when they realeased Doom3 ppl all over the world was buing hardware like crazy, the stores hade night opening. MS said the same thing good software sells hardware so more games like Crysis will only sell more hardware, even an idiot knows that ;)
And yes Crysis have sold ****loads of copies to date even that the game push the bleeding edge like nothing else. way over 2 milions copies solds and thats a LOT!

BTW yepp Project Offset was the name and its just a matter of time before nVdia start making games as they allready are so close with the game makers. it will come sooner or later thats a fact (nana2)
And to top it off, nVidia says they are blown away as the cant belive that the entusiast market is that big and is only getting bigger, yeah take that you console mongos, your console days are numbered, as St John said they will all vanished as Pc is the future so come on cry like little girlies and flame on best you can as you know im total right ;)

saturnotaku
01-24-09, 09:49 AM
You know the world is full of IDIOTS so better leave the douchbag alone, he can play on his wii and cry to mum how much he want to be a bad boy and get a real gaming machine aka Pc

I know this pithy comment wasn't directed at me, but take a look at my desktop machine and say this to my face.

And yes Crysis have sold ****loads of copies to date even that the game push the bleeding edge like nothing else. way over 2 milions copies solds and thats a LOT!

Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Wii Fit have sold more than 8 million copies to date. Same for Halo 3. GTA IV sold 6 million copies in its first week.

For every million-selling PC game release, there are at least 3 console titles that have sold as well and better.

And to top it off, nVidia says they are blown away as the cant belive that the entusiast market is that big and is only getting bigger, yeah take that you console mongos, your console days are numbered, as St John said they will all vanished as Pc is the future so come on cry like little girlies and flame on best you can as you know im total right ;)

Um, no.

MaxFX
01-24-09, 09:54 AM
And yet you even bothered to reply and NO it wasent meant to you it was for the other douch if you have eyes you saw what I was quoting in the first place. come on smash and wii fit are you serious get a life!
Throw in Mario when your at it. can you say Half Life 1 and 2. how much more did that sell then the console version genious!

Noriega
01-24-09, 10:15 AM
@saturnotaku there are only 2 FPS that sold over 2 mln on PS3. Don't compare FPS to action games.

Console gaming it's all about numbers isn't it?

NarcissistZero
01-24-09, 10:22 AM
How come 90% of PC gamers are either doom and gloom complainers or insanely loyal console bashers?

WHERE DO I FIT IN?

I just want a friend. :(

MaxFX
01-24-09, 12:10 PM
I have had pretty much every of the big consoles since NES and right now a PS3 so im not a hater but I prefer the Pc and that have been ever since I started Pc gaming, for obvious reasons Pc gaming is in another leauge!

It's just to funny to hear them console trolls talking the old same BS over and over!

NarcissistZero
01-24-09, 12:17 PM
You should register on gametrailers.com and post in the general gaming section... it's pretty much all console vs. PC all day long, you would have fun.

PC gaming must be doing alright, if for no other reason than there are enough PC gamers on a console-focused site like that to start so many fights.

MaxFX
01-24-09, 12:28 PM
Hope you know that I mean fun as retarded BS and it looks like it's your thing more.
I cant stand it really and wondering why aint these goblins in the Console section..pestering the Pc gaming forum seems to turn them on!

Redeemed
01-24-09, 12:32 PM
@saturnotaku there are only 2 FPS that sold over 2 mln on PS3. Don't compare FPS to action games.

Console gaming it's all about numbers isn't it?

No- business is all about numbers, dumb ass.

AMD hasn't turned a profit for a while now, they're just now catching up with Intel with CPUs (giving the AM3 PhIIs the benefit of the doubt here), for the first time in years their GPUs are strongly competitive to nVidia's (but there's no guarantee of that continuing), nVidia, though still selling profitable products, is losing money compared to prior years.

I'm 100% convinced you've never run a business, nor have you ever spent any length of time assisting somebody run a business. You, and MaxFX (or who ever it is) are both clueless.

Yes, your idea is nice in concept. In reality, however, the concept would fail. AMD does not have the capitol nor the income to have a seperate game development division, nVidia might be able to squeeze one in, but then that leaves very little money in reserve for them, Intel is the only one that could probably pull this off. And right now, wouldn't you say they own enough of the market share?

And no, I don't own a single console- I prefer gaming on a PC. But I'm not a delusional idiot such as yourself. ;)

Noriega
01-24-09, 12:33 PM
I got Xbox but I'm not posting at "Consoles World" too many retards there.

I prefer PC gaming it's more like capitalism while consoles reminds me comunism or socialism.

@Redeemed man you fu** fail at life damn is every policeman azhole?