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ragejg
05-31-03, 05:42 PM
...am I stuck getting an MX440se? Or a R9100 lo-pro? Or is there an FX5200 maybe???

...see, a friend asked me to get a good vidcard for his buddy's dell ... he said it had an agp port, but we didn't realize that a lo-pro card was required... so now the case sits partially open with a GF3 that's all PO'ed cuz it can't properly fit w/o case modding... The dude that ownz this dell don't wanna mod tho...

ARRRGH!!!

advice/pointers/urls?


thanks, suckas!

PreservedSwine
05-31-03, 06:41 PM
What lo-pro mean?? Low Profile??

A GF440MX is only DX7..not sure if it'll do, but they're good cards for $20-$40

Next would be a GF3 or R8500- both DX8, good choices, though the R8500 is a little better card, IMO.

Next, of course, is the Ti4200, better than all the above, but usually over $100

I'd skip the non-pro FX520..even though its DX9, it's just too slow.....

ragejg
05-31-03, 08:24 PM
lo-pro means half height...

- yes, I know gf4mx=DX7...

- there's no half height GF3's, GF4ti's or R8500's...

- there are half height GF4mx's and MAYBE 5200... oh and there's half height R7500, 9000, and I think 9100...

I'd prefer a 5200 or a 9100.

And yes I know the perf differences betw. the two.

Has anyone dabbled in half height cards before? Anyone know where these can be had?

Thx for the help attemp tho, P.Swine :)

Grechie
05-31-03, 09:56 PM
if u want a low direct x 8 and 9 card, get a 5200 there cheap and are still pretty good, i dont know why people dis them, (probly coz of the 3d mark score :P) but the PNY ones are the best ive seen so far :)

there $199.95 Australian for me and ive seen $79.95 US :)

GlowStick
05-31-03, 11:28 PM
Just take your Geforce3 to a skroll saw, make it half height!

ragejg
06-01-03, 12:46 AM
actually i was thinkin bout cuttin a notch in the dell and then applyin a buttload o big case feet to the top o the case so the monitor base has no chance to touch the card...:P

But that's not gonna happen,,,

... If I have to get it I will (5200), but IMO nuthin makes a P3 933 feel better than a GF3 or R200 class card... 5200 honestly feels like it's really not at home if it's in a system under 2.0 ghz and 333fsb...

... I've had both.

thanks for the input so far... :)

CaptNKILL
06-01-03, 10:16 AM
I dont know if you can shop at newegg or not, but here you go:
MSI FX5200 (non ultra) 64Mb
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=X5200%2DT64

ASUS FX5200 (non ultra) 64Mb and 128Mb
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=V9520Magic


I would recomend the 128Mb ASUS card. Its only $88, so you cant go wrong.

I dont think anyone gives these 5200s enough credit though. Most people that actually own one say that they impressed with the speed for the price.

GlowStick
06-01-03, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by CaptNKILL
I dont know if you can shop at newegg or not, but here you go:
MSI FX5200 (non ultra) 64Mb
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=X5200%2DT64

ASUS FX5200 (non ultra) 64Mb and 128Mb
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=V9520Magic


I would recomend the 128Mb ASUS card. Its only $88, so you cant go wrong.

I dont think anyone gives these 5200s enough credit though. Most people that actually own one say that they impressed with the speed for the price.

Yeah, most people who bought it dont play games much anyways... and most people rave about its multi-monitor support for its price.

Chalnoth
06-01-03, 02:10 PM
Well, a quick search on pricewatch, and the best low profile cards I could find were either a Radeon 7000, Radeon 7500, or GeForce4 MX 440. Personally, I'd go for the MX 440, by a long shot (ATI owners have been saying that ATI's drivers have been getting better since the 8500 series...they said the same thing during about the 8500 series vs. 7500....).

CaptNKILL
06-01-03, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Chalnoth
Well, a quick search on pricewatch, and the best low profile cards I could find were either a Radeon 7000, Radeon 7500, or GeForce4 MX 440.

What about the 5200?

Chalnoth
06-01-03, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by CaptNKILL
What about the 5200?
Didn't see any in low profile format.

Gator
06-01-03, 10:15 PM
does he really love his case? Or would he possibly be willing to transfer everything to a standard midsize tower case? (assuming he has a standard ATX or micro-ATX board with standard connectors and stuff)

With a new case, his options would be less limited and he could get a GF4TI, GFFX5600, or R9700 :thumbsup:

Chalnoth
06-01-03, 10:58 PM
Of course, one possible problem is that the board won't fit in a normal case.

Do you know if the expansion boards are inserted perpendicular to the motherboard? As far as I know, that would be the only obstacle.

Some smaller PC designs use a riser card on the motherboard to insert expansion cards parallel to the motherboard.

ragejg
06-01-03, 11:13 PM
this is a straight up proprietary dell, with the only risers bein fer pci cards...

I'm wanting to get him this spec o card not cuz he's a gamer per se YET, but he's expressed the want for increased use-ability (128mb RAM up to 256... Win98 to XP, onboard gfx to _____)... and wants to GET INTO gaming...

I've seen threads about this topic @ rage3d... and it looks like I'm gonna have to go ati on this one... oh well...

nvidia: make a half-height ti4200 clocked to geforce 4go 4200 speeds, pleeze...:rolleyes:

Chalnoth
06-01-03, 11:20 PM
Well, a GeForce4 MX will get him in. Later he can decide if he wants to spend the money for a real gaming system :)

As a side note, my little brother's been gaming on nForce integrated video for a while now. He would like an upgrade, but he hasn't had any problem with games he couldn't play.

ragejg
06-01-03, 11:24 PM
hey I just realized, the links capnKill posted from newegg sow the 5200 as being half height! The bracket isn't , but that's alright...

Hmmmm.... back'n'forth, back'n'forth... :D

jAkUp
06-02-03, 12:35 AM
i say you just leave the side off the case :p

Chalnoth
06-02-03, 12:35 AM
I'm not sure that would help any, ragejg.

Deimos
06-02-03, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by jAkUp
i say you just leave the side off the case :p The smaller Dell-machines tends to be opened from the top. Leave it open, put the monitor there and... :p

/Deimos

Deimos
06-02-03, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by ragejg
hey I just realized, the links capnKill posted from newegg sow the 5200 as being half height! The bracket isn't , but that's alright... Sometimes the bracket can be replaced.

/Deimos

jAkUp
06-02-03, 01:23 AM
or you could always just cut the bracket and make a new one:)

Chalnoth
06-02-03, 01:29 AM
This, of course, depends on the video card being small enough. You may be able to attempt a measurement by comparing the height of the board with respect to the bracket to a bracket in one of your expansion cards.

Anyway, I just have to say this:
If he just wants to get into games, he really won't see the difference between a GeForce4 MX 440 and GeForce FX 5200. If he gets tired of the MX by the end of this year (around the time DOOM3 ships, if he would like to play that one), then he won't have spent much money.

And, of course, it may not be good to put in too much work for one just intending to get into games. He may not get into them much.

Gator
06-02-03, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by ragejg
...I've seen threads about this topic @ rage3d... and it looks like I'm gonna have to go ati on this one... nvidia: make a half-height ti4200 clocked to geforce 4go 4200 speeds, pleeze...:rolleyes:

what's wrong with the GF4GO TI4200? If you add a little extra cooling and overclock it it should be fine.

What ATI cards come in low pro? If it's not at least a R8500/9000/9100/9200 then it's a waste of money because those are only GF3 level. Anything lower than that, and even a stock GF4GO TI4200 would make more sense then.

Chalnoth
06-02-03, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Gator
what's wrong with the GF4GO TI4200? If you add a little extra cooling and overclock it it should be fine.
I'm pretty sure the various GeForce Go products are only available packaged within notebooks, and are not for retail sale.

Gator
06-02-03, 09:41 AM
I didn't see this before... actually that sounds pretty good VS a R8500/9000/9100/9200

unless you can find a GF4TI or R9500, get the GFFX5200 half height


Originally posted by ragejg
hey I just realized, the links capnKill posted from newegg sow the 5200 as being half height! The bracket isn't , but that's alright...

Hmmmm.... back'n'forth, back'n'forth... :D