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agf
06-01-03, 08:38 AM
Hi All! :)

This is my first post.
Ok,i have a ASUS GeForce4 mx440 128mb card.(latest Detonatorfx drivers)
I just want to know how good this card will be with the latest games(directx 9)?
And also i want to know a complete comparision with the radeon 9000 pro 128mb.
I know that the radeon 9000 pro is better than mine(has pixel shaders vertex shaders)
Other than that in what areas the radeon beats this?
Does pi,ver shaders really affect the performance on games?

Also when i play nfs6 on everything high 800x600 res,the game seems to be slow (12-32 fps)
Why is that? :confused:

Thanks:)

borntosoul
06-01-03, 09:16 AM
yeh its a great card for the money, but something a bit faster will be better for current games, if youre on a budget try a geforce 4 4200

Gator
06-01-03, 09:28 AM
I'm sorry but no, the GF4MX will never survive in DX9 games. IT is essentially a higher clocked GF2.

I know this doesnt mean everything, but attached is a snapshot from 3dmark2k1's result browser. The GF4MX gets a considerably lower score than the GF4TI series. And to answer your question, although this graph doesn't show the R9000 I know it's performance is less than that of the R8500/9100 series. It wouldn't be the greatest upgrade for you. If you're on a budget I'd recommend the GF4TI4200. Also, here is a recent thread of GF4TI4200 vs GFFX5200 (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12686)

digitalwanderer
06-01-03, 09:39 AM
NO!

Sorry friend, but that is a budget gaming card at best and I couldn't in good faith recomend the 9000 as the best solution for ATi as a gaming card.

Tell us your upgrade budget and we'll help to set you up with something that'll do you proper. :)

agf
06-01-03, 12:32 PM
Hey Guys thanks for ur input :)
WAIT! u guys say the R9000 performs less than R8500/9100 series?(For some time i thought it was the BEST!)
Boy,it's sooooooo confusing :confused:
Well i'm kinda stuck with this card,and NOT going to upgrade till end of year.(maybe early)
My Budget...well under 100$
So is my card the best budget card at the moment? If not what is the best low budget card at the moment?(under 100$)

Thx :)

Matt-AWD
06-01-03, 12:40 PM
Try a GeForce 4 Ti4200, they can be found for under $100 if you look around. If you can't find one for a good price, try a Radeon 8500/9100.

mariuz
06-01-03, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
NO!

Sorry friend, but that is a budget gaming card at best and I couldn't in good faith recomend the 9000 as the best solution for ATi as a gaming card.

Tell us your upgrade budget and we'll help to set you up with something that'll do you proper. :)
It is good if you play old games ut , q3,ut2k3 and other ,
Have a friend and it works pretty good , i like
the tv-out stuff (My card is a g2mx400 no tv-out:()
I must say that i'am impressed by the radeon 9000 too , Last night had some gaming activity at some friends , and ut rocks on a axp2000+ and a radeon 9000 (or it was a 9100? don't know) anyway better than my sister's duron 900 g2mx400 . You know that
level in ut where on some window there is snowing outside ? well on gf2mx400 is really slow... but on radeon it looked really fast and smooth ...until someone killed me ..hehe (Warning i didn't test the gf4mx400 on unreal yet .... but is suppose is in the same budget/performance class as ati cards)
My money for upgrade will go with a gf4200
PS : Ms mouses are realy nasty (buggy)
I was spining around like a tornado from time to time :eek: (driver bugs or hardware...ones), and my friends kill-ed me when doing that

digitalwanderer
06-01-03, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Matt-AWD
Try a GeForce 4 Ti4200, they can be found for under $100 if you look around. If you can't find one for a good price, try a Radeon 8500/9100.

Good advice. I'd recomend a GF4 tiANYTHING in your price range, you'll be shocked at just how big of an upgrade it is. :) I picked up a really sweet Gainward GF4 ti4400 a few months back used for $100 and it is nothing but schweet. :)

ragejg
06-01-03, 04:58 PM
Sell your GF4MX for $48...

Buy a GF3 for $60 or so...

pm me if you want one...

yoladude
06-01-03, 06:51 PM
i had an mx440 64meg card....it was okay. lasted me a while, but i didn't play any new games like gta3 and such above 800x600. quake 3 engine games run great, tho.
my suggestion is that if you are on a tight budget (like me) get a 128meg ti4200 card. they're about 120 bucks new. mine works like a charm :)
if u don't have a budget, get a radeon 9xxx series card, preferably 9500 pro or higher. the 9000, 9100, and 9200 cards are decent....actually, they're great for their price. they're on par with geforce3 ti500 cards and arne't too far behind geforce4 ti 4200 cards. if u want one of those, be sure to get one with decent clock speeds. otherwise, my suggestion about the R300-R350 series cards stands.

Geforce4ti4200
06-01-03, 08:04 PM
the geforce4 mx440 is a pretty good card, but im afraid your 128mb is the mx440se with 64 bit ram. I would ebay that and buy a ti200 off ebay, itll kick an mx440

StealthHawk
06-01-03, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by agf
I just want to know how good this card will be with the latest games(directx 9)?

Not very good.

And also i want to know a complete comparision with the radeon 9000 pro 128mb.

The gf4mx is a little slower, with no DX8 features, of course.

Does pi,ver shaders really affect the performance on games?

Yes, it also allow developers to make advanced effects in games without running very slowly :)

Also when i play nfs6 on everything high 800x600 res,the game seems to be slow (12-32 fps)
Why is that? :confused:

Unfortunately, the gf4mx is a budget card. As such, it was designed to play the current games released around the time of the card's debut at decent speed. It was not meant to provide good performance in newer games.

Thanks:) [/B][/QUOTE]

Gator
06-01-03, 10:20 PM
problem solved! GF4 TI4200's starting at $87us after shipping! :cool:

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/4739-1.htm

jAkUp
06-02-03, 12:37 AM
yes... definetely try for a card that doesnt have the words "mx" in it:D

borntosoul
06-02-03, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by Gator
problem solved! GF4 TI4200's starting at $87us after shipping! :cool:

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/4739-1.htm
thats for a 64 mb card ! i wouldnt recommend that unless really really tight budget .ive just placed an order for a 4200 8x vivo (leadtek) its au$255 here.

Gator
06-02-03, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by borntosoul
thats for a 64 mb card ! i wouldnt recommend that unless really really tight budget .ive just placed an order for a 4200 8x vivo (leadtek) its au$255 here.

Um... he is on a very tight budget :rolleyes:

Originally posted by agf
...My Budget...well under 100$
So is my card the best budget card at the moment? If not what is the best low budget card at the moment?(under 100$)...

digitalwanderer
06-02-03, 07:45 AM
Slightly OT, but I just found out yesterday that me Mum picked herself up a shiny new Dell set-up with spiffy flat-panel display & all the bells & whistles......including a GF4 MX440. :lol:

So I guess I WILL be able to see how the sucker stacks up at least and be able to give a more informed opinion. Mebbe I could do a few benchies of it vs. a GF3/GF4/9000 Pro if'n you'd like. :)

borntosoul
06-02-03, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Gator
Um... he is on a very tight budget :rolleyes:
oups missed that part

PreservedSwine
06-02-03, 08:32 AM
I don't think the MX440 is as bad as everyone says....I used to, but that was until I found out that they are selling for about 20 (used) to $40 (new, retail)...Is there a better performer in that pricerange?

agf
06-02-03, 08:37 AM
Once again, thanks guys for ur replys :)
Yes,i've decided to go for the GeForce4 ti4200
Is it a directx9 card?
Cos i'm looking for a best budget directx9 card under 100$?(or should i stick with DirectX8 :confused: )



Geforce4ti4200 wrote
the geforce4 mx440 is a pretty good card, but im afraid your 128mb is the mx440se with 64
bit ram

I didn't get that?

The ASUS Geforce 4 mx440 V8170 series comes with 6 models
-V8170 PRO/T/64MB
-V8170 DDR/T/64MB
-V8170 DDR/TD/64MB
-V8170/T/128MB/64MB
-V8170 MAGIC/T/64M/32M
-V8170SE/T/64M

Mine is the geforce4 mx440-SE MAGIC 128MB.(Is my card the best out of these models?)



StealthHawk wrote:
The gf4mx is a little slower, with no DX8 features, of course.

But the box says Microsoft directx8.x and OpenGL 1.3 Optimizations and Support?



digitalwanderer wrote
Slightly OT, but I just found out yesterday that me Mum picked herself up a shiny new

Dell set-up with spiffy flat-panel display & all the bells & whistles......including a GF4 MX440.

So I guess I WILL be able to see how the sucker stacks up at least and be able to give a more informed opinion. Mebbe I could do a few benchies of it vs. a GF3/GF4/9000 Pro if'n you'd like.


Great! I would love to see the 9000 Pro 128mb benchi in particular.

Thx :)

DSC
06-02-03, 08:37 AM
GF4 MX=GF2 MX on steroids

Same 2x2 design, only improvements are the LMA2 bandwidth saving and Accuview AA. Absolutely no Pixel Shaders, Vertex Shader instructions are done in software/CPU(despite what Nvidia might want you to think), doesn't even support Enviroment Bump Mapping(EMBM) for gawds sake.

It's a horrible card, I can't understand why Nvidia didn't add EMBM support to the original GF256/GF2 in the first place, if Matrox can do it on their much weaker G400.....

Avoid GF4 MX like the plague, thats all I'll say.

borntosoul
06-02-03, 08:51 AM
QUOTE "Once again, thanks guys for ur replys
Yes,i've decided to go for the GeForce4 ti4200
Is it a directx9 card?
Cos i'm looking for a best budget directx9 card under 100$?(or should i stick with DirectX8 )".




ok i hope this clears things up a bit .
the geforce ti 4200 is NOT a dx9
budget dx9 cards are useless in my opinion (unless you want to see what those new dx9 demo's look like)
because they are too slow to run dx9 shaders and are slower than similar priced cards based on dx8/dx7! allround performance theyre just not up to scratch IMO. just look at some reviews!
im in a similar position to you and i ordered a 128 mb gf4 ti 4200 agp8x today. [B]by the time you will really need dx9 there will be much better cards at much better prices than what is around today[/B

digitalwanderer
06-02-03, 08:55 AM
Borntosoul is right on all accounts. A GF4 ti4200 is DX8, but it'll be more than enough for ya and by the time any games come out that seriously use DX9 you'll be able to pick up a 9700 Pro for around $100us too. ;)

Go for the ti4200, you won't regret it. It's an awesome card, I just swapped out me 9000 Pro for me GF4 ti4400 on Blue because I feel the GF4 is the superior of the two cards. :cool: (And I doubt many here will argue that one, who'd of thunk it? :lol: )

DSC
06-02-03, 09:05 AM
digitalwanderer,

I was about to ask you what happened to the Ti4400, but now I don't think thats necessary anymore.... :D :lol:

digitalwanderer
06-02-03, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by DSC
digitalwanderer,

I was about to ask you what happened to the Ti4400, but now I don't think thats necessary anymore.... :D :lol:
I was original gonna loan it to a friend of mine who has a GF2 GTS until he built a new rig, but now it's looking like he'll be getting the 9000 Pro for a while. (I'm sort of glad, it'll be good for him to get the experience on the ATi side of things....make him a better rounded geek. ;) )

Hey, it's STILL a lot better than a GF2 GTS! :bleh:

The GF3 is going to Quinn over at EB. It was Zarathustra's from over there originally, (thus the name "littleZ"), and it sort of seems right to keep it in the family. :lol: It'll be upgrading the 8500 I gave him, which he is giving to a cousin.

I gotta share the wealth, people are just too kind to me and spreading the love is the only proper way to say "thank you!". :)