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CaptNKILL
01-31-09, 04:54 AM
:drooling:

http://hothardware.com/newsimages/item8439/big_zotac-geforce-9300-itx-wifi_angle_hh.jpg

Mini-ITX Socket 775 Geforce 9300 chipset with Onboard WiFi and HDMI, Dual Channel DDR2 and a PCI-E x16 slot. :drooling:

http://hothardware.com/News/ZOTAC-Announces-a-GeForce-9300-MiniITX-Platform/

The only thing its lacking is the same thing that every other recent HTPC board is lacking: onboard S-Video or TV-Out for standard def TVs (just in case).

These things will supposedly be available in February.

Its going to be really hard to resist getting one of these with an E5200, 4Gb of cheap DDR2, a 750Gb hard drive and one of these nice little Apex cases (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091) for well under $400.

I definitely need an HDTV though. :p

Feyy
01-31-09, 06:09 AM
That thing is adorable, however my main PC is also my HTPC. :)

mullet
01-31-09, 09:33 AM
WOW kickass. I love it!!!!!!!!

Revs
01-31-09, 09:36 AM
Awww, it's so cute :wonder:

Bman212121
01-31-09, 09:45 AM
The only other thing it could add is 6ch audio. There should be enough room above the SPDIF and HDMI slots for 3 more plugs.

Revs
01-31-09, 09:48 AM
Where'd they put the SB?!

Redeemed
01-31-09, 11:26 AM
Meh... only two SATA ports. But for an HTPC I guess that's plenty. One for a hard drive, one for the optical drive.

J-Mag
01-31-09, 02:05 PM
Wouldn't a standard ATX board be cheaper for an HTPC? I never really understood the obsession of trying to create a form factor similar to a vcr...

CaptNKILL
01-31-09, 02:46 PM
Wouldn't a standard ATX board be cheaper for an HTPC? I never really understood the obsession of trying to create a form factor similar to a vcr...

Well, it used to be that the geek-factor of having a small system came at the expense of having an outdated or outrageously overpriced setup.

For example, the Atari ITX project my brother and I made a couple years ago. The best we could find at the time was a Socket 478 Intel 845G Mini ITX board with a Pentium 4 2.4Ghz and 512Mb of DDR and Intel Extreme Graphics (not even GMA). That combo cost us around $250 and was obviously WAY outdated and rather hot and power hungry for a small PC. Its also noticeably sluggish, especially on flash heavy websites.

The alternatives to this were basically Laptop chipsets on $300 motherboards that required $300 laptop CPUs that were slower than $100 desktop equivalents... and they still had crappy onboard video.

About a year ago the first decent Mini-ITX boards that took desktop CPUs started showing up, but they were still a bit behind the Micro-ATX boards so it still made more sense to go with a slightly larger computer.

Right now you can get some top of the line (as far as integrated setups) Geforce 8200 and AMD 780G boards in Mini-ITX, but those are AMD and they're a little pricey considering that the CPUs are going to be weaker than Intel. The current Intel ITX boards that are available are outdated nforce 630 boards which tend to have problems.

This Geforce 9300 board is the first top of the line Intel Mini-ITX board that I've seen. The Mini-ITX form factor no longer requires you to get outdated or outrageously overpriced components. If small stuff isn't your thing, then that's ok too. :p

Toss3
01-31-09, 03:18 PM
Wow great news! :) Does it have support for 5.1 uncompressed over hdmi though?

qube
01-31-09, 06:30 PM
http://www.komplett.se/img/p/1200/428219.jpg


i love this one

mullet
01-31-09, 07:16 PM
Cool!!

CaptNKILL
01-31-09, 08:04 PM
X58 micro-ATX seems a bit like overkill to me, but that's still pretty cool.

Toss3
02-01-09, 01:45 AM
X58 micro-ATX seems a bit like overkill to me, but that's still pretty cool.

What is this "overkill" you speak of? There's no such thing! :D

CaptNKILL
02-01-09, 03:34 AM
A HTPC should be silent and shouldn't consume too much power IMO. The DFI board is awesome for small LAN party rigs but not really a HTPC board.

Yeah, those are my thoughts as well.

If you want a HTPC that doubles as a gaming rig (to compete with consoles I guess) then I guess having a small x58 board is pretty cool. As a plain old HTPC though that thing would need a separate GPU which is sort of a waste, plus it'd have 7 idle threads 90% of the time. :p

With a cheap but powerful dual core like the E5200 you could probably underclock it and put a totally silent cooler in there and still have 4 times the performance of an Intel Atom board...

Though the Atom 330 dual core is pretty damn spiffy considering that it only costs $85 with a board. If they ever update the chipset for those things to at least the 4500HD I'd consider that for a dirt cheap HTPC or a car computer.

stevemedes
02-03-09, 09:09 PM
I didn't know that DFI made a X58 mATX board. That's AWESOME! Seems a bit overkill but if you wanna game (sports, racing, fighting, simulation games) on your HDTV, That would be a good choice. I'll bet it costs a pretty penny though.

mullet
03-21-09, 06:22 PM
LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30 - OEM
$24.99

APEX MI-008 Black Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 250W Power Supply - Retail
$49.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$54.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
$39.99

ZOTAC GF9300-D-E LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$144.99

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail
$72.99

Subtotal: $387.94



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LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30 - OEM
$24.99

Bgears b-Envi-nw BG01206 Black Aluminum / Plastic MicroATX Desktop Computer Case - Retail
$74.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$54.99

ASUS M3A78-EM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$78.99

PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS370X 370W ATX12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
$49.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
$39.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor Model ADH5050DOBOX - Retail
$62.50

Subtotal: $386.44

rage10
03-26-09, 12:54 PM
Yeah, those are my thoughts as well.

If you want a HTPC that doubles as a gaming rig (to compete with consoles I guess) then I guess having a small x58 board is pretty cool. As a plain old HTPC though that thing would need a separate GPU which is sort of a waste, plus it'd have 7 idle threads 90% of the time. :p

With a cheap but powerful dual core like the E5200 you could probably underclock it and put a totally silent cooler in there and still have 4 times the performance of an Intel Atom board...

Though the Atom 330 dual core is pretty damn spiffy considering that it only costs $85 with a board. If they ever update the chipset for those things to at least the 4500HD I'd consider that for a dirt cheap HTPC or a car computer.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=664

stevemedes
03-27-09, 09:54 PM
thats a really unique little board, however i dont exactly trust Zotac. any other tier-1 motherboard manufacturers coming out with similar boards that you know of? if it was an asus or something similar i'd probably jump on it. since the motherboard is the heart of the rig, i'd want a brand i was comfortable with.

mullet
03-27-09, 11:27 PM
ASUS FTW!!

newparad1gm
03-28-09, 03:37 PM
This is going into my Home Theater PC build right now.

The build is this motherboard,
Foxconn RS233 Black+Light Silver Steel Mini-ITX with a 150W PSU (also with an 80mm side fan)
WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HD
Intel Pentium E5200
Silverstone NT07-775 90mm LGA775 low-profile HSF

For memory, I already have unused OCZ 2x2GB DDR2 RAM laying around that I'll be using for this, an extra LG DVD-ROM as well. I'll be upgrading to Blu-Ray eventually when prices are sub-60 USD.

Hopefully the PSU will be strong enough to handle all this. I'll be posting pics of the build and my reactions and opinions.

CaptNKILL
03-28-09, 04:28 PM
This is going into my Home Theater PC build right now.

The build is this motherboard,
Foxconn RS233 Black+Light Silver Steel Mini-ITX with a 150W PSU (also with an 80mm side fan)
WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HD
Intel Pentium E5200
Silverstone NT07-775 90mm LGA775 low-profile HSF

For memory, I already have unused OCZ 2x2GB DDR2 RAM laying around that I'll be using for this, an extra LG DVD-ROM as well. I'll be upgrading to Blu-Ray eventually when prices are sub-60 USD.

Hopefully the PSU will be strong enough to handle all this. I'll be posting pics of the build and my reactions and opinions.

I don't think that PSU will be stable powering those components.

You'd need at least a 250W unit to keep it comfortable for a long time. Looking at that case on newegg I'm really surprised to see so many people using systems like that with that PSU.

My HTPC with a low-wattage 45W Athlon X2 and a 780G has a 350W microATX Sparkle PSU in it.

newparad1gm
03-28-09, 04:38 PM
I don't think that PSU will be stable powering those components.

You'd need at least a 250W unit to keep it comfortable for a long time. Looking at that case on newegg I'm really surprised to see so many people using systems like that with that PSU.

My HTPC with a low-wattage 45W Athlon X2 and a 780G has a 350W microATX Sparkle PSU in it.

In this review of the Zotac board

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2009/03/18/zotac-geforce-9300-itx-wifi-review/4

The setup they tested is very similar to what I am going to be using, and in the Power Consumption section:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2009/03/18/zotac-geforce-9300-itx-wifi-review/10

It shows the power draw of the entire machine with all hardware enabled under Orthos load and Blu-Ray playback to max out at around 80W. I'll probably even be underclocking the E5200 and the 9300 to draw even less power.

CaptNKILL
03-28-09, 04:48 PM
Well, hopefully it works out for you.

I just worry about pushing small PSUs like that because they can't be replaced if they go bad. I haven't seen any units that look like the one in that Foxconn case.

That's the main reason I opted for a micro-ATX case with a standard micro-ATX PSU for my HTPC.

nekrosoft13
03-28-09, 05:01 PM
my current HTPC is in normal size ATX case, hidden in a cabinet.

I initially build the HTPC using old nforce 4 board and Athlon x2 939, that didn't last long, it died.

Then I was stuck with ATX case, up to this day, will replace it with something smaller later on.