NVIDIA's offical response to Futuremark

[Morrow]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
BTW-Do you know when nVidia is releasing their next set of drivers? I don't, but I got a pretty good idea of when I can expect some from ATi. :p

It's pretty certain that nvidia will have released new official WHQL drivers by the end of the month... just in time when the GF FX 5900 Ultra hit stores. Those drivers will be the 50.xx serie.

[solofly]

Originally posted by Morrow
It's pretty certain that nvidia will have released new official WHQL drivers by the end of the month... just in time when the GF FX 5900 Ultra hit stores. Those drivers will be the 50.xx serie.

I think so too. After all 5900 should be ready for prime time in a couple of weeks. Then R360 will probably beat it a lil but then nVidia will follow up with DD2 on the 5900U as well. Should be fun to watch... (now I said watch and not bash;))

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Why dont you back that statement up with a single link with a posted quote from it here. where Beta testers are acting like you say.

I personally have never seen anything like what you are describing happen.


Register annonomously at rage3d, then go post requesting digital vibrance, beta catalyst's, etc.

before 5 posts later nvidia's drivers will be compared to ati's whether thats the subject or not. the following in an example.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33690331

I was wrong to use the words "call you an idiot" as no one specificaly used the word idiot. I should have been more carefull in my statement.

The type of thing I was refering to was Dutchboy starts a thread about DV, specificaly asking not to start a debate its merits. a few posts later posters begin basicaly telling him his perception of DV's usefullness is unfounded, and it degrades image quality.

I should have been more cautious in stating my opinion. I can sense this could turn into a huge debate, one that I dont feel like engaging in at depth.

this type of thing does occur at every site, maybe I just dont notice it here as much. imo, it just seems like former nvidia users are for the most part running into a brick wall in the r3d forum. just my impression.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by solofly
I think so too. After all 5900 should be ready for prime time in a couple of weeks. Then R360 will probably beat it a lil but then nVidia will follow up with DD2 on the 5900U as well. Should be fun to watch... (now I said watch and not bash;))


Is the DDR2 on the NV35 just a guess or have u herd from a source : D

[solofly]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Is the DDR2 on the NV35 just a guess or have u herd from a source : D

I don't guess...;) (I'll find you the link when I have some time)

[Morrow]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Is the DDR2 on the NV35 just a guess or have u herd from a source : D

It's only a guess because nvidia will almost certainly not go again for DDR II until the nv40 arrives. By that time the DDR II technology is ready for the real thing. For the time being it's still too expensive, running too hot and still too unreliable for high clockspeeds and a 256-bit datapath simultaneously.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Register annonomously at rage3d, then go post requesting digital vibrance, beta catalyst's, etc.

before 5 posts later nvidia's drivers will be compared to ati's whether thats the subject or not. the following in an example.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33690331
Uhm, if you're referring to the way CraigG got targetted as a troll in that thread it's because he WAS a troll in that thread. :rolleyes:

I'd like to point out that I am DEFENDING adding DV to ATi drivers in that thread, and arguing with a couple of friends who are saying I'm wrong. Also, TWO mods have came into that thread to try and simmer it down.

Tensions are too bloody high right now on the ATi side of things for anyone there to put up with ANY guff from nVidia zealots right now. :mad:

[Hellbinder]

And even though ATI made some huge progresses in the beginning, it seems now that the quality of their drivers has stalled, forums everywhere are fulls of reclamations about stuttering, bugs, glitches and crashes... is ATI still really going only uphill? The next months will show...

Anyway, I agree to ImaginaryFiend that all the forums worldwide were much more nice and calm when nvidia was the leader. All the bashing and attacks which are going on the last few months are hardly bearable. Intelligent discussions are impossible to find anywhere. We are currently now in the same pathetic situation as we were when AMD managed to offers the fastest CPUs two years ago:

intelligent discussion mode = off
bashing mode = on

There are a ton of little Driver Glitches with the new Dets and older Nvidia hardware like the GF4. I dont think the Quality of their drivers have stalled at all. There is no denying that they still make the occasional Brain Fart like the HL ESC bug. But overall I think the problems are way overstated, and Nvidia problems are way understated. I myself have a GF4 that locks up hard in certain levels of Americas Army, and occasionally Boots winXP to a Black screen of nothingness. But i have never gone to a message board and Raised Bloody hell about it.

You and some others really need to get some ballance here. Nvidia historically leaked multiple Driver revisions all over the place MANY which caused people problems, or Glitches, or slowed performance etc. they just droped back to one of the other Drivers that they liked. Its really funny how no one here raises any hell about that. the same is True for the ATi side. If you are having issues with the cat 3.4's becuase their performance increases caused some issues with some motherboards just use the Cat 3.2's etc..

Look at this forum and all the other Nvidia forums, i have seen Hundrends od posts saying things like *oh well back to the XX.XX's*. Why do you guys change the rules for ATi??

Ill tell you why, but you wont like the answer.

[Hellbinder]

Anyway, I agree to ImaginaryFiend that all the forums worldwide were much more nice and calm when nvidia was the leader. All the bashing and attacks which are going on the last few months are hardly bearable. Intelligent discussions are impossible to find anywhere. We are currently now in the same pathetic situation as we were when AMD managed to offers the fastest CPUs two years ago:

Get serious. That is flat out Fanboy talk there. And you are accusing others of Fanboy bashing???? Nvidia Fans and Fansites and Web review sites are flat out filled with a History of Ati bashing, PowerVr bashing, Matrox Bashing making fun of, ridiculeing etc.

The difference is before You didnt notice becuase *Your side was winning*... :rolleyes:

[solofly]

Originally posted by Morrow
It's only a guess

Are you sure?

http://solofly.canadianwebs.com/nv35new.jpg

http://hard.zol.com.cn/labs/2003/0514/60670.shtml

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0305/13/nj00_nv35.html

[GlowStick]

Thanks for the update!

I wonder how it will turn out

[Morrow]

Originally posted by solofly
Are you sure?

http://solofly.canadianwebs.com/nv35new.jpg

http://hard.zol.com.cn/labs/2003/0514/60670.shtml

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0305/13/nj00_nv35.html

ok, I understand now your guess about the DDR II nv35 version. All what nvidia wanted to say that the nv35 as also the nv30,nv31 and nv34 support DDR II but the nv35 certainly will not feature DDR II RAM. That's the difference.

Although nvidia leaves the choice to manufactures whether to use DDR II or not, no one will probably try it with the nv35. You even don't need it. The current DDR I memory is capable of 900+ MHz, offering 28.8 GB/s bandwidth which is more than enough for the current graphiccards. It would be difficult to offer this bandwidth with DDR II RAM.

Hellbinder, trying again to be the big all-knowing one. Head over to any hardware CPU forum (THG for example) and you will feel the calm with is currently reigning over there. The situation however was never as worse as during the period where the Athlons offered superior performance than the P4s. It's was horrible at that time (much like today on any graphiccard forum).

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Morrow
Head over to any hardware CPU forum (THG for example) and you will feel the calm with is currently reigning over there. The situation however was never as worse as during the period where the Athlons offered superior performance than the P4s. It's was horrible at that time (much like today on any graphiccard forum).
TOM'S?!?! You're pointing to TOM'S as an example of a site that is better off when nVidia is in the lead? WELL OF COURSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE A BLOODY NVIDIA SITE!!!! :rolleyes:

Jeeze, what next? You're gonna blame us for causing all the comotion over at [t]ardOCP and tell us about how much better it was in the good old days when everyone just took nVidia's PR and treated it as the gospel fact?

What the hell are you smoking boy? That's just plain silly! :lol:

[Hellbinder]

Hellbinder, trying again to be the big all-knowing one. Head over to any hardware CPU forum (THG for example) and you will feel the calm with is currently reigning over there. The situation however was never as worse as during the period where the Athlons offered superior performance than the P4s. It's was horrible at that time (much like today on any graphiccard forum).

Soo.. Im the all knowing one becuase I said it is simply not true that the World was perfectly Scerene because Nvidia Conrolled the industry???

[Morrow]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
TOM'S?!?! You're pointing to TOM'S as an example of a site that is better off when nVidia is in the lead? WELL OF COURSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE A BLOODY NVIDIA SITE!!!! :rolleyes:


read again, I was talking about Tom's CPU forums and THG was just an example out of many others! I just tried to compare the ex-CPU situation with the current graphiccard flamewars. History repeats again... as usually

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Morrow
read again, I was talking about Tom's CPU forums and THG was just an example out of many others! I just tried to compare the ex-CPU situation with the current graphiccard flamewars. History repeats again... as usually
What I got out of your post was that if ATi would roll over and die the geek world would be all better, and I just gotta kindly disagree with that sentiment. :(

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by solofly
Are you sure?

http://solofly.canadianwebs.com/nv35new.jpg

http://hard.zol.com.cn/labs/2003/0514/60670.shtml

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0305/13/nj00_nv35.html

The R300 also supported ddrI/ddrII. We never saw a ddrII R300. Just because NV35 supports ddrII doesn't mean it will ever use it. Especially if NV40 is coming out this Fall, I have a hard time believing nvidia would release a NV35UltraUltra.

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
The R300 also supported ddrI/ddrII. We never saw a ddrII R300. Just because NV35 supports ddrII doesn't mean it will ever use it. Especially if NV40 is coming out this Fall, I have a hard time believing nvidia would release a NV35UltraUltra.


Actually Nvidia doesn't have too. That could be up to its board partners. Food for thought

[solofly]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
The R300 also supported ddrI/ddrII. We never saw a ddrII R300. Just because NV35 supports ddrII doesn't mean it will ever use it. Especially if NV40 is coming out this Fall, I have a hard time believing nvidia would release a NV35UltraUltra.

Bottom line is you never know. If R360 overpowers NV35 badly, nVidia just might do something about it and the only thing I can think of is DDR2. (I think it all depends how far NV40 stands)

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by solofly
Bottom line is you never know. If R360 overpowers NV35 badly, nVidia just might do something about it and the only thing I can think of is DDR2. (I think it all depends how far NV40 stands)

I dont think Nvidia has a bandwith problem that would require DDRII. If they did need a 'quick' refresh, they would just slap on the FlowFX on a nv35 and slap it up to 550/450.

But I dont think we will see anyting new till nv40 from nvidia.

[mikechai]

Originally posted by solofly
Bottom line is you never know. If R360 overpowers NV35 badly, nVidia just might do something about it and the only thing I can think of is DDR2. (I think it all depends how far NV40 stands)


Actually the current FX 5900 ultra 256MB has enough bandwidth.
Its only lacking in fillrate/core speed.
If NVIDIA can release a higher clocked NV35, it will be able to at least match R360.
However, it just doesn't make sense for NVIDIA to release a NV35 super ultra. (FX 5900 Extreme ???)
As Stealthhawk said: especially the NV40 is coming by end of this year.

Edit:-
Oops, Glowstick beats me by a nose. Looks like we have the same thinking on this one .... :beer:

[ricercar]

Originally posted by GlowStick But I dont think we will see anyting new till nv40 from nvidia.

NV36. Probably called FX 5700.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by ricercar
NV36. Probably called FX 5700.

Ah, i knew someone was going to say something about the nv36.

But i say, it dosent count, no one cares about value/midrange/mainstream cards, NO ONE!

accept the mainstream ha.

[mikechai]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Ah, i knew someone was going to say something about the nv36.

But i say, it dosent count, no one cares about value/midrange/mainstream cards, NO ONE!

accept the mainstream ha.


That's a lots of it in mainstream .... where the money is.

[Hellbinder]

Actually Nvidia doesn't have too. That could be up to its board partners. Food for thought

I had hopes about this kind of thing for ATi to.. but it never happened. Sure there was lots of Rumbling behind the scenes about it.. but.. it never happened.

It just does not seem to be the Kind of thing either company does.

BTW, I have seen my first hints at the speed of ATi's refresh product. ;)

Nvidians better get ready to start going on overdrive with Trashing ATi Drivers and Talking smack about how ATis AF is *cheating* heh heh heh... Your going to need it.

Nvidia should have gotten that 5900 out sooner.. :afro: