NVIDIA's offical response to Futuremark

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I had hopes about this kind of thing for ATi to.. but it never happened. Sure there was lots of Rumbling behind the scenes about it.. but.. it never happened.

It just does not seem to be the Kind of thing either company does.

BTW, I have seen my first hints at the speed of ATi's refresh product. ;)

Nvidians better get ready to start going on overdrive with Trashing ATi Drivers and Talking smack about how ATis AF is *cheating* heh heh heh... Your going to need it.

Nvidia should have gotten that 5900 out sooner.. :afro:

What did you see, where how who?

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I have seen my first hints at the speed of ATi's refresh product. ;)

Nvidians better get ready to start going on overdrive with Trashing ATi Drivers and Talking smack about how ATis AF is *cheating* heh heh heh... Your going to need it.

Nvidia should have gotten that 5900 out sooner.. :afro:
Dude, you are SO not supposed to talk about that!

C'mon, you're gonna spoil the surprise....and I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing some peoples reactions to it. :lol:

Please, stop. You've really said more than you should.

Besides, even if you told them they'd never believe ya. ;)

[DivotMaker]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
BTW, I have seen my first hints at the speed of ATi's refresh product. ;)

Nvidians better get ready to start going on overdrive with Trashing ATi Drivers and Talking smack about how ATis AF is *cheating* heh heh heh... Your going to need it.

Nvidia should have gotten that 5900 out sooner.. :afro:

I really question the need for such a comment at this forum in light of what has transpired in the past several weeks. Very questionable motives here...comments like this will do nothing but inspire more needless flames. Very disappointing...

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
I really question the need for such a comment at this forum in light of what has transpired in the past several weeks. Very questionable motives here...comments like this will do nothing but inspire more needless flames. Very disappointing...
I totally agree with you their BBEA, best we not talk about it anymore or bring it up every again. :)

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
I really question the need for such a comment at this forum in light of what has transpired in the past several weeks. Very questionable motives here...comments like this will do nothing but inspire more needless flames. Very disappointing...

We've been hearing rumblings for some time about the R360, if that is what Hellbinder is talking about, and not the "R400."

Considering the rather lackluster performance increase of the r9800Pro over the r9700Pro I think once we saw the NV35 previews it was obvious ATI would come out with something better.

[digitalwanderer]

Let's all take BBEA's good advice and just nix this whole conversation, ok?

What do you think nVidia's response to the new driver "surprises" (http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q2/3dmurk03/index.x?pg=1) will be as....uhm, 'interesting' as the last time? :lol:

[Morrow]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Dude, you are SO not supposed to talk about that!

C'mon, you're gonna spoil the surprise....and I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing some peoples reactions to it. :lol:

Please, stop. You've really said more than you should.

Besides, even if you told them they'd never believe ya. ;)

Do you really think that the overclocked R360 will be a that big improvement over the 9800 Pro?

[Hellbinder]

I really question the need for such a comment at this forum in light of what has transpired in the past several weeks. Very questionable motives here...comments like this will do nothing but inspire more needless flames. Very disappointing...

Come on Dude lighten up.. Its a FORUM. :rolleyes:

What motives.. Its a statemet. Wow your right you sure cought me... I was trying to.. um Trying to um.. Yeah.. Do something really sinister with that little comment here on the benchmark Forum... :rolleyes:

Like I really care that you are Dissapointed.... Actually Im rather Disapointed that you are so Disapointed which simply makes me disapointed..

[Hellbinder]

Hint

Dude, you are SO not supposed to talk about that!

C'mon, you're gonna spoil the surprise....and I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing some peoples reactions to it.

Please, stop. You've really said more than you should.

Besides, even if you told them they'd never believe ya.

The man is blowing hot air...

[DSC]

I feel sad for the ATI customers. R360, then Loci.... how many more speed bumped R350 cores in the making, when Loci alone would be good enough? Oh well, if you're a fanATIc only, better get a big fat wallet since you'll want all these "refreshes". Good way of bleeding your users of their hard earned money.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by DSC
I feel sad for the ATI customers. R360, then Loci.... how many more speed bumped R350 cores in the making, when Loci alone would be good enough? Oh well, if you're a fanATIc only, better get a big fat wallet since you'll want all these "refreshes". Good way of bleeding your users of their hard earned money.

Aren't I correct in saying that Loci is going to come out later than NV40? ATI needs an interim product.

[ChrisRay]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I had hopes about this kind of thing for ATi to.. but it never happened. Sure there was lots of Rumbling behind the scenes about it.. but.. it never happened.

It just does not seem to be the Kind of thing either company does.

BTW, I have seen my first hints at the speed of ATi's refresh product. ;)

Nvidians better get ready to start going on overdrive with Trashing ATi Drivers and Talking smack about how ATis AF is *cheating* heh heh heh... Your going to need it.

Nvidia should have gotten that 5900 out sooner.. :afro:


There's always something new around the corner, It was just a thought,

It doesn't really matter who has the "fastest" and ultimate high end product, it's just for show and bragging rights of that respective company. I'm more concerned about the main stream market currently. And I've been much less than impressed with both companies offerings in this market, And neither companies are offering something that makes me want to go out and buy a new product

[Scorched 2.0]

Originally posted by Morrow
hm strange, how do you explain than that both the Radeon 9000 and the 9200 are based on the Radeon 8500 core (R2x0 architecture)? Until those two cards had been released every hardware site was sure and certain that the first number indicates the DX version which is the card is capable of.

You have to agree that many people have been and will be fooled by thinking to have bought the 9700, 9800 and DX9 technology when looking at the model number of the 9000 and 9200.

Somewhere else in that post you state that after releasing the 9700 everything went uphill for ATI. I really cannot agree to that. The Radeon 9800 Pro is just an overclocked 9700 Pro where you get a 5% performance increase for almost 200$! It's even worse with 256mb DDR II version of the 9800 which is even more expensive and offers almost no performance increase. Also the upcoming R360 seems just to be a slightly overclocked 9800 Pro, adding nothing new to ATI's R3x0 lineup but the card will of course make several crazy overclockers happy who believe they have just made a great deal by upgrading from their 9800 Pro :)

And even though ATI made some huge progresses in the beginning, it seems now that the quality of their drivers has stalled, forums everywhere are fulls of reclamations about stuttering, bugs, glitches and crashes... is ATI still really going only uphill? The next months will show...

Anyway, I agree to ImaginaryFiend that all the forums worldwide were much more nice and calm when nvidia was the leader. All the bashing and attacks which are going on the last few months are hardly bearable. Intelligent discussions are impossible to find anywhere. We are currently now in the same pathetic situation as we were when AMD managed to offers the fastest CPUs two years ago:

intelligent discussion mode = off
bashing mode = on

This all calmed down very nicely when Intel took again the lead with their P4s Northwoods. Hopefully the same thing will happen in graphiccard world too. Time for the nv35 to be available for purchasing and get moving your feet for the nv40 nvidia. I beg you :)

I'm sure the GeForce 4 MX series was just as confusing for consumers as well.

[mikechai]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Hint

The man is blowing hot air...

The R360 will be running at core 425 and memory 900MHz DDRII.
Because of the high core speed for a 0.15um process and especially the *HOT* DDRII ram, Its time for ATI version of "Dustbuster".

;)

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by mikechai
The R360 will be running at core 425 and memory 900MHz DDRII.
Because of the high core speed for a 0.15um process and especially the *HOT* DDRII ram, Its time for ATI version of "Dustbuster".

;)
That has NOT been finalized yet, and we're going to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!

This is an nVidia site, remember? Surely they have no interest in what ATi is doi....is "ALLEGEDLY" doing? :eek2:

Any thoughts on what nVidia will say about 3dmurk2k3? <Sayeth the Dig in a desperate panic to get this thread back ON-TOPIC!!!!!>

[Hellbinder]

The R360 will be running at core 425 and memory 900MHz DDRII.
Because of the high core speed for a 0.15um process and especially the *HOT* DDRII ram, Its time for ATI version of "Dustbuster".

No man.. ATi is doing it up right baby!!!

They are generating so much heat that they are mounting 15 lbs of pure copper, a mini RC pro am engine, and the blade of a Riding Lawnmower to the Sucker!!

In fact there is an adapter cable that plugs ito the AGP slot that then wraps around outside the system and the card actually mounts of the side of your house. the whole rig is powered by a small portable generator AND a 5v feed from your PC power supply.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
No man.. ATi is doing it up right baby!!!

They are generating so much heat that they are mounting 15 lbs of pure copper, a mini RC pro am engine, and the blade of a Riding Lawnmower to the Sucker!!

In fact there is an adapter cable that plugs ito the AGP slot that then wraps around outside the system and the card actually mounts of the side of your house. the whole rig is powered by a small portable generator AND a 5v feed from your PC power supply.

Dose it come with the mulching attachment?

[Scorched 2.0]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Dose it come with the mulching attachment?

Of course. Only the best for ATI's customers. :)

[hithere]

Originally posted by DSC
I feel sad for the ATI customers. R360, then Loci.... how many more speed bumped R350 cores in the making, when Loci alone would be good enough? Oh well, if you're a fanATIc only, better get a big fat wallet since you'll want all these "refreshes". Good way of bleeding your users of their hard earned money.

The fact is, the R300 architecture has been kicking tail for almost a year now, and now you say you're upset about all the refreshes you've seen. Why aren't you upset about the fact that Nvidia rode the GeForce 3 core for a year and half, calling it by both the 3 and 4 designation, and further deceiving customers with the GF4mx? At least ATI's 9200 is a direct-x 8 class card with a misleading name, not a direct-x 7 one like the MX.:D Why aren't you similarly upset at the 5800 in general? Seems like that card is just a "good way of bleeding your users of their hard earned money" until the REAL nv30 is out: the nv35. Seems to me like you're faulting ATI for something for which your favorite company is an old salt.