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Tuork
06-03-03, 06:18 PM
I really want to buy a pretty good graphics card mainly for game playing, but, like anything in the world, there's a catch: I'm broke!!!!

The most I can scrape is $100. Any advices on which card to buy (nvidia or other, doesn't matter which brand).

Here are two options I have seen:
- MSI geforce 4 mx 440 64 MB (approx $70 at home)
- PNY GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR ($99.99 at bestbuy.com)

I currently have a borrowed GeForce 2 MX/MX 400 64 MB.


What, oh what should I do?? :confused:


(Just in case: Athlon XP 1600, M810 motherboard, Maxtor 15 GB HDD, 256 MB SDRAM)


By the way, if I don't buy the card, and If I manage to sell my computer, I'll upgrade to MSI motherboard, 256 DDR RAM and a 1.5 GHz Athlon XP processor (and keep the GF 2).

- Tuork (open to criticism, insults or advice)

ragejg
06-03-03, 06:36 PM
I'd get the card first... I don't think yer gonna be held back TOO bad yet... but by tax time or christmas, the requiremnts will eliminate anything sdram, unless you have an overclocked Barton 2500 with PC150 SDRAM on a tweaked kt133A...

With $100, I'd personally try and scrounge for a Radeon 9500 at this point... at a hardware trading forum... decent speed, OC'ability, mod-ability, good AA and AF...

Or, my second choice would be a new ti4200... good raw speed and value...

... there's my recommendation...

:)

Gator
06-03-03, 06:41 PM
GF4 TI4200 starting at $87us (shipping included!)

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/4739-1.htm

Tuork
06-05-03, 08:43 PM
Thanks for the advice.
I've ultimately decided for a GeForce FX 5200 128MB, for just $75!


My new concern (yeah, I know, I'm a control freak) is wether my current motherboard will support the card. It's a M810 by PC- CHIPS.

If not, will a MSI 6390 do the trick?

- Tuork

jAkUp
06-05-03, 09:15 PM
as long as it is agp4x/8x compatible...

and you should really try to go for that geforce4 listed about... not the mx, but the ti4200, its much faster than the geforcefx 5200, and just better overall... the geforce fx 5200 supports directx 9, but you dont need it right now.

ragejg
06-05-03, 09:38 PM
Compatibility with the SiS you have? ..dunno...

But a km266 (sibling of kt266a) probably has no compatibility issues... I'd recommend it over your SDRAM board for the added umph of DDR (you'll feel the diff in bf1942 for example)...

:)

There may be a prob with 5200's and KG7-RAID's tho... I sold my 5200 to a guy with 3 systems he had access to, and the card worked in all but the AMD chipset mobo...

Gator
06-05-03, 11:42 PM
Is that a SIS-chipset board? Well if it is, then you will be fine. I have the SIS735 chipset and it loves my GF4 TI4400. I never have any OpenGL or Direct3d problems. Although interestingly I don't benchmark as high as people with my specs but different motherboards, but I don't care the SIS has been very reliable for me and that's well worth a couple 100 3dmarks anyday.

As for your choice of the GFFX5200... I hate to say this but you are making a mistake, the GF4 TI4200 may be older and DX8, but trust me it's a much better card. And most of them can overclock to TI4600 levels! Your spending $75us, when for an extra $12us you can have a superior card. Take my advice, get the GF4 TI4200 ;)

ProtoStab
06-06-03, 06:49 AM
Tuork,

I also went with the FX 5200, but with Gainward. For the money, i'm satisfied! It should be up to 8x and directx 9.0a compatiable. Which is good for future use. Reviews sucked, but you can't beat the price.

Later,
ProtoStab.

extreme_dB
06-06-03, 07:08 AM
Noooooo. Don't get the 5200 when you can get a Ti4200 for around the same price. :)

With the 5200 you're paying for features that are practically worthless if you want an enjoyable gaming experience. Why not get a Ti4200 and overclock it as high as possible for much better performance in today's games?

The AA and AF on the 5200 will likely incur too much of a speed hit to be used with the latest current titles at fluid framerates. So there's more importance on the non-AA/AF performance between these two cards, and the 5200 is left in the dust.

Get the Ti4200 now, and upgrade to a budget DX9 card later on when better cards come out.

Edit: added 1 word!

solofly
06-06-03, 11:23 AM
For under $100 the 4200 is the winner!

Tuork
06-06-03, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Gator
Your spending $75us, when for an extra $12us you can have a superior card. Take my advice, get the GF4 TI4200 ;)

WHERE!?! :eek:

(BTW, still not sure about compatibility issues with the M810 for either card [Ti or FX]. According to specs the board is "AGP 2x/4x")

jAkUp
06-06-03, 01:51 PM
that should be fine. as long as it is 4x agp compatible

ProtoStab
06-06-03, 02:34 PM
Tuork,

Do you plan on buying a new card in a year or so? If not, I would go with the FX 5200. My opinion is that the FX 5200 is very close to the Ti 4200. Ti 4200 still beats it in quite a bit of its marks, but the FX 5200 will work with future games. Pros and Cons, that goes for anything and everything. This is just my opinion.

Tuork, what card were you using?

yoladude
06-06-03, 08:35 PM
i have to recommend the ti 4200, having used both an mx440 and the ti4200 im currently using. judging from benchmarks, and the fact that the fx5200 is meant to replace the mx440, the fx 5200 is only slightly faster than the mx440 in almost all situations (except w/AA and AF, in which the mx440 is slaughtered).

and protostab, i have to disagree with your opinion about the fx5200 lasting a year. the mx440 isn't really good for current games, and that is what the fx5200 is really on par with. show me some benchmarks where the fx5200 (NON-ultra) comes close to or beats the 4200, and i'll respect your opinion.

but yes, there is a HUGE diff between the mx440 and the ti4200....i play all games at high/max settings (even ut2k3) at 1152x864 or 1280x1024 (highest res on my monitor) with good frates.

Hellbinder
06-06-03, 09:10 PM
My opinion get a

1. 9600pro
2. 9500pro (if you can)
3. GFFX 5600 ultra mark 2
4. 9700 non pro... overclock it
5. 9700pro

If your stinking made of money get a 9800pro or pro 256..

Or wait for a little bit and get the 5900.

Or wait a tiny bit longer and get the ATi 5900 killer.

Or wait a little longer than that and get the Nv40

Or about the same time as that (ish) get the ATi Nv40 killer or tie-er who knows at this point.

Or like i said... juist get a nice middle of the road 9600pro or 5600 Ultra mark 2.

On second thought.. You would be crazy not to try to get a 9700 or 9800 non pro.

Hellbinder
06-06-03, 09:12 PM
oops ignore the above post i just saw he has 100 bucks maybe.

In that case get a GF4 Ti 4200 period end of statement. I would not touch a FX 5200 non pro with a 10' pole.

Kapp
06-07-03, 10:57 AM
You can probably get a Geforce 3 or 4 for that amount of money, and it's a damned good card.

MrNasty
06-07-03, 05:04 PM
ATI all the way baby !

yoladude
06-07-03, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by MrNasty
ATI all the way baby !

wow....you really helped him out. good job. :rolleyes:

digitalwanderer
06-07-03, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
oops ignore the above post i just saw he has 100 bucks maybe.

In that case get a GF4 Ti 4200 period end of statement. I would not touch a FX 5200 non pro with a 10' pole.
I'm with Hellbinder. For $100 you should be able to find yourself a nice GF4 ti and it's a great gaming card. :)

MrNasty
06-07-03, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by yoladude
wow....you really helped him out. good job. :rolleyes:

WOW just discovering sarcasam are we ?


As can plainly be seen I suggest he purchaces an ATi card. If you have a problem with that go email nvidia requesting they impliment better cheats :\

Edit: I'm very sick of your rudeness. Nobody has to do anything say. So STFU or I'm going to silence you from these forums. Yeah its me again. MikeC

digitalwanderer
06-07-03, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by MrNasty
WOW just discovering sarcasam are we ?


As can plainly be seen I suggest he purchaces an ATi card. If you have a problem with that go email nvidia requesting they impliment better cheats :\
I'm pretty pro ATi myself right now, but with an absolute $100 budget I really do feel that a GF4 ti would give him better gaming than a sub-$100 ATi card.

I really only recomend the 9500/9600 or better series on ATi...if you can't afford that nVidia has some good cards for less. (They ain't as good as the 9500/9600 pro though.)

I try and avoid being a fanboy when I recomend stuff, then it's strictly a best bang-for-buck thing for me depending on budget.

I had an 8500 & 9000 Pro in Blue, but I ended up putting me GF4 ti4400 in. Why? I (NOTE- I said "I" as in "my opinion" ) feel it is a better card for gaming and has excellent 2D display.

I'm not ATi bashing here, I'm just recomending what I think is the best value for his pricerange. :)

yoladude
06-07-03, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by MrNasty
WOW just discovering sarcasam are we ?


As can plainly be seen I suggest he purchaces an ATi card. If you have a problem with that go email nvidia requesting they impliment better cheats :\

Edit: I'm very sick of your rudeness. Nobody has to do anything say. So STFU or I'm going to silence you from these forums. Yeah its me again. MikeC

haha......i get it. nvm

Wag
06-08-03, 10:47 AM
4200 or Radeon 8500/9100.

solofly
06-08-03, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by MrNasty
WOW just discovering sarcasam are we ?


As can plainly be seen I suggest he purchaces an ATi card. If you have a problem with that go email nvidia requesting they impliment better cheats :\

Edit: I'm very sick of your rudeness. Nobody has to do anything say. So STFU or I'm going to silence you from these forums. Yeah its me again. MikeC

For under $100 no Ati can come close to TI4200. Low end ATIs can't compete here... The next step would be 9500p but that's way above $100.