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Ancient76
02-21-09, 07:46 AM
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/intelandnvidiasueeachother.shtml
Intel and Nvidia have had agreements in place, allowing Nvidia to develop chipsets that support Intel's processors, and allowing Intel to use Nvidia's technology in their own motherboards.
All was well until Intel filed a lawsuit against Nvidia, claiming that said agreements don't allow Nvidia to build chipsets for Intel processors with integrated memory controllers, namely the Nehalem CPUs.
"Intel has filed suit against NVIDIA seeking a declaratory judgment over rights associated with two agreements between the companies," reads Intel's official statement. "The suit seeks to have the court declare that NVIDIA is not licensed to produce chipsets that are compatible with any Intel processor that has integrated memory controller functionality, such as Intel's Nehalem microprocessors and that NVIDIA has breached the agreement with Intel by falsely claiming that it is licensed. Intel has been in discussions with NVIDIA for more than a year attempting to resolve the matter but unfortunately we were unsuccessful. As a result Intel is asking the court to resolve this dispute."
Nvidia asserted that this lawsuit does not impact NVIDIA chipsets that are currently being shipped.
"We are confident that our license, as negotiated, applies," said Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO of NVIDIA. "At the heart of this issue is that the CPU has run its course and the soul of the PC is shifting quickly to the GPU. This is clearly an attempt to stifle innovation to protect a decaying CPU business."
Huang said that, given the broad and growing adoption of NVIDIA’s platform innovations, it is not surprising that Intel is now initiating a dispute over a contract signed four years ago. Innovations like ION, SLI, Hybrid power, and CUDA threaten Intel’s ability to control the PC platform.
Sounds logical.
Having SLI/Crossfire in the new chipsets is a good thing. Let's hope this doesn't damage that agreement they have going forward. We all know Nvidia chipsets (Nforce) are just not as tight as Intels.
Woodelf
02-22-09, 05:38 PM
I think that nvidia has the ability to surpass intel in both performance and high prices.
walterman
02-22-09, 06:27 PM
As long as Intel is allowed to use SLI on its chipsets, we'll be fine.
sillyeagle
02-23-09, 08:56 PM
I think that nvidia has the ability to surpass intel in both performance and high prices.
And instability too!
nvnews-reader
02-23-09, 09:50 PM
I think that nvidia has the ability to surpass intel in both performance and high prices.
Nvidia has a long way to go if they want to surpass Intel's prices. Considering the performance increases you get from adding a new GPU vs a new CPU, I don't see how Intel charges so much.
josiahsuarez
02-25-09, 10:10 PM
well Intel has had clear market dominance over AMD for several technology generations now, enabling them to charge a premium. Nvidia is just coming off a generation that they "lost"
Madpistol
03-02-09, 12:34 AM
well Intel has had clear market dominance over AMD for several technology generations now, enabling them to charge a premium. Nvidia is just coming off a generation that they "lost"
... in your opinion that is. Nvidia still has market dominance, even in a declining economy. Nvidia didn't lose anything.
Ninja Prime
03-02-09, 05:05 AM
... in your opinion that is. Nvidia still has market dominance, even in a declining economy. Nvidia didn't lose anything.
Orly? Last I checked Intel had market dominance, even in the graphics market.
InqWoN1776
03-02-09, 08:40 AM
Well, I would assume he is referring to the discrete graphics market. In which, AMD/ATI and nvidia are the only companies with substantial market share atm. Intel does not compete there yet. Furthermore, most people know that the integrated chipset market is not very profitable (very low profit margins).
Madpistol
03-03-09, 09:17 AM
Orly? Last I checked Intel had market dominance, even in the graphics market.
By default, Intel wins. No question there.
When was the last time you saw a high-end system with an integrated Intel graphics unit? :p
shadow001
03-14-09, 11:37 PM
By default, Intel wins. No question there.
When was the last time you saw a high-end system with an integrated Intel graphics unit? :p
That's where larrabee comes in,and why perhaps Nvidia's CEO is bad mouthing it before we even know larrabee's final configuration,performance and of course,price.
It's normal that competitors downplay the other guys products,but at least they wait until the things are actually released and reviewed... ;)
Ancient76
03-27-09, 07:04 PM
Now Nvidia strikes back ;)
http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/26/nvidia-fires-back-at-intel-with-chip-set-countersuit/
A moment ago, we announced that we have responded to Intel’s lawsuit against us with a countersuit of our own.
In our countersuit, we assert our belief that we are licensed to build chipsets for Intel processors. In a pair of agreements signed in 2004, we negotiated for rights to build chipsets. In exchange, Intel obtained a cross license to our valuable patents. Today, Intel is using technologies that we invented in their integrated graphics chips. And they will soon integrate NVIDIA patented technologies into their CPUs and upcoming Larrabee processors.
walterman
03-27-09, 07:27 PM
Even if the SLI disappears from the X58 successors, i'm not returning to the nForces again.
Redeemed
03-28-09, 02:46 AM
... in your opinion that is. Nvidia still has market dominance, even in a declining economy. Nvidia didn't lose anything.
I believe you are incorrect. nVidia lost some market share to ATi after the launch of the HD4k and GTX200 series. Though they are still the dominating force for dedicated GPUs, they did lose a little.
And hopefully they'll lose more this next generation. As that would mean competition, which is better for everybody.
I believe you are incorrect. nVidia lost some market share to ATi after the launch of the HD4k and GTX200 series. Though they are still the dominating force for dedicated GPUs, they did lose a little.
And hopefully they'll lose more this next generation. As that would mean competition, which is better for everybody.
ATi gained a little market share Q3 08, then they lost a big chunk of what they gained in Q4.
ATi gained a little market share Q3 08, then they lost a big chunk of what they gained in Q4.
due to what?
due to what?
Beats me, but they gained 2.5% in Q3 08:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20081027171221_Graphics_Adapter_Market_Skyrockets_ in_Q3_ATI_Starts_to_Fight_Back_Market_Share.html
then they dropped back 1.3% in Q4 08:
http://www.dvhardware.net/article32986.html
It doesn't matter over much, I just get tired of seeing posts about the "great ATi market smackdown" people seem to fantasize happened last year. It's true they swung a few points of market share in the desktop segment, but hardly enough to merit the cheer leading seen on the forums.
LordJuanlo
03-29-09, 08:41 AM
So Intel sued AMD, AMD sued Intel, Intel sued nVidia and nVidia sued Intel... this is really craptastic, the worst that could happen in those times
So Intel sued AMD, AMD sued Intel, Intel sued nVidia and nVidia sued Intel... this is really craptastic, the worst that could happen in those times
We agree on one thing at least. If Intel "wins" this round, it could very well mean that computer gamers will have a choice of an Intel motherboard/CPU, and a NVIDIA graphics card.
AMD can't survive on ATi revenues, and loss of use of their foundries could well be the death blow for AMD.
Redeemed
03-29-09, 11:34 AM
We agree on one thing at least. If Intel "wins" this round, it could very well mean that computer gamers will have a choice of an Intel motherboard/CPU, and a NVIDIA graphics card.
AMD can't survive on ATi revenues, and loss of use of their foundries could well be the death blow for AMD.
I highly doubt that. With Global Founderies having a vested interested in AMD and ATi's success, I'm sure that they wont disappear anytime soon. Afterall, AMD's financial backing has a larger pocket book than Intel and nVidia. If ATIC so chose, they can just dump more money into AMD.
I highly doubt that. With Global Founderies having a vested interested in AMD and ATi's success, I'm sure that they wont disappear anytime soon. Afterall, AMD's financial backing has a larger pocket book than Intel and nVidia. If ATIC so chose, they can just dump more money into AMD.
While the Middle East does indeed have more money than Intel or NVIDIA, their money is exactly the problem- Intel's cross licensing agreements are with AMD. (not the Middle East)
AMD doesn't have any money to fight, and even if they did, they've basically violated their agreement by allowing a company they don't control to use Intel patents to produce CPUs. (Global Foundries)
AFAIK
josiahsuarez
03-29-09, 02:58 PM
I don't think Intel really wants to kill off AMD. their existence provides a defense against all the antitrust issues Intel faces. Intel will settle the GFC dispute, as long as AMD agrees to compete in a way that Intel approves of.
I don't think Intel really wants to kill off AMD. their existence provides a defense against all the antitrust issues Intel faces. Intel will settle the GFC dispute, as long as AMD agrees to compete in a way that Intel approves of.
I don't think anti-trust laws affect Intel if they have no competitors left, and I don't think they exist to ensure that competitors exist.
I believe anti-trust laws mainly exist to ensure a fair business environment for companies to compete in.
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