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sonaboy
06-04-03, 05:58 PM
so...the more POWERFUL card is what...the FX 5600, 5800, or 5900?

I don't know which is which anymore.

good thing i can't afford any of the damn things right now anyway.

what's the NV35 chip with 256 bit pipeline?
gawd...make it stop....

Chalnoth
06-04-03, 06:00 PM
Higher number=more powerful.

They're not confusing that yet.

ragejg
06-04-03, 06:28 PM
think mebbe he meant NV30, NV31, NV34, NV35?

Skuzzy
06-04-03, 06:29 PM
Higher number, as long as you stay in the NV3x line.

The 5200 is much slower than a Ti4600.

To the typical consumer (and yes I have run into this), they think the higher number if faster across the line. Had a guy call screaming about how my code sucked, when he switched from a Ti4200 to a 5200. OY!
That was an eye opening experience.

GlowStick
06-04-03, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Higher number, as long as you stay in the NV3x line.

The 5200 is much slower than a Ti4600.

To the typical consumer (and yes I have run into this), they think the higher number if faster across the line. Had a guy call screaming about how my code sucked, when he switched from a Ti4200 to a 5200. OY!
That was an eye opening experience.

Haha, i actually have a funny story kinda like that.

anyways my friend who bought my gf3 was looking at video cards and asked me "How did ATi get so far ahead of nvidia" i asked him what do you mean?

He replyed "Well 9000 is so much higher than 5000"

Then i explaned to him about marekting.

sonaboy
06-04-03, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by ragejg
think mebbe he meant NV30, NV31, NV34, NV35?

Ok ok..right there...

what chips are the bogus ones in that group?

NV30, no doubt..but what is the NV31, and are the NV34/35 chips the same?

this is too many for me...this all happened in the last 4 months, right??

what the hell is going on?
the 5800 cards are priced way less than the 5600 cards.
this makes the little veins on my forhead hurt and thump

i think half of my confusion is how Asus and Leadtek and so many others are assigning EVEN more different numbers to the original reference cards, so i have no idea what the hell i'm looking at.

sigh...i just need to go back to playing PONG.

ragejg
06-04-03, 07:18 PM
NV30: Original Papa of the line... 5800 series... 128bit memory bus, DDR2 memory config...

NV31: GF FX5600 & 5600U ...clocked down 5800 core... 128bit memory bus, DDR1 memory config...

NV34: GF FX5200 & 5200U ... stripped down and clocked down 5800 core... 64 or 128bit memory bus, DDR1 memory config...

NV35: GF FX5900 series... FULL 5800 core, 256 bit memory bus, DDR1 memory config...

In order of speed:

NV35 (5900)
NV30 (5800)
NV31 (5600)
NV34 (5200)


...hope I got that stuff right...

sonaboy
06-04-03, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by ragejg

NV35 (5900)
NV30 (5800)
NV31 (5600)
NV34 (5200)


...hope I got that stuff right...

See? Look at those numbers and how they're arranged.
Is it any wonder i'm so damn confused?
argh.
me = dumb.

NV31 is above the NV34 and is faster?
NV30 is above NV31 and is faster?
Can we start all over? I want a GeForce 5 Ti8000 please. That's the limit of my understanding.
and please make it say ATI on the fan, and i want purple heatsinks, and it needs to run on the 88.xx hairdryer drivers with optional Direct Z occlusion cheats and tuned to A # natural.

and please put a pretty girl on the box.

jAkUp
06-04-03, 07:55 PM
hehe just dont follow the chip names... the nvxx stuff.... the 5800, 5600 etc. just follow those.

although im all for a pretty girl on the box.....:D

Chalnoth
06-04-03, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by sonaboy
See? Look at those numbers and how they're arranged.
Is it any wonder i'm so damn confused?
argh.
me = dumb.
If you're confused, don't worry about the internal chip numbers (NV3x). Just look at the model numbers (FX 5x00).

Edit: Bah, you beat me to it, Jakup.

ragejg
06-04-03, 10:42 PM
yeah, what they said ;)...

SmuvMoney
06-04-03, 10:55 PM
I always remembered the NVxx like so:

x0 = start of new generation (NV20, NV30)

x5 = major refresh of said generation (NV25, NV35)

x1-x4 or x6-x9 = lesser version of said (mini-) generation (NV31, NV34)

I am not sure if nV has made any exceptions to this nonmenclature. If so, clue me in... :D

Chalnoth
06-04-03, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by SmuvMoney
I am not sure if nV has made any exceptions to this nonmenclature. If so, clue me in... :D
NV28 was an NV25 with AGP8x.

pgn.inertia
06-05-03, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by SmuvMoney
I always remembered the NVxx like so:

x0 = start of new generation (NV20, NV30)

x5 = major refresh of said generation (NV25, NV35)

x1-x4 or x6-x9 = lesser version of said (mini-) generation (NV31, NV34)

I am not sure if nV has made any exceptions to this nonmenclature. If so, clue me in... :D

This is the first time in their history that they use the x4 nomenclature and they never used x9, the entire line looks like this:

NV1: NV1/Diamond EDGE3D
NV2: SEGA Pico
NV3: Riva128
NV4: RivaTNT
NV5: RivaTNT2
NV10: GeForce256
NV11: GeForce2 MX
NV15: GeForce2 GTS
NV15BR: GeForce2 ULTRA (BladeRunner)
NV17: GeForce4 MX
NV18: GeForce4 MX with AGP8x
NV20: GeForce3 GPU
NV25: GeForce4 Titanium
NV28: GeForce4 Titanium with AGP8x
NV30: GeForceFX 5800 Ultra/GeForceFX 5800
NV31: GeForceFX 5600 Ultra/GeForceFX 5600
NV34: GeForceFX 5200 Ultra/GeForceFX 5200
NV35: GeForceFX 5900 Ultra/GeForceFX 5900/GeForceFX 5900 Value

GlowStick
06-05-03, 01:13 AM
Thats a very good list!
Thx for all the work.

pgn.inertia
06-05-03, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by GlowStick
Thats a very good list!
Thx for all the work.

HEy, I thought, what the heck, I got tons of schoolwork lying around, but that real boring crap, let's get in to nVnews...

digitalwanderer
06-05-03, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Higher number, as long as you stay in the NV3x line.

The 5200 is much slower than a Ti4600.

To the typical consumer (and yes I have run into this), they think the higher number if faster across the line. Had a guy call screaming about how my code sucked, when he switched from a Ti4200 to a 5200. OY!
That was an eye opening experience. Originally posted by GlowStick
Haha, i actually have a funny story kinda like that.

anyways my friend who bought my gf3 was looking at video cards and asked me "How did ATi get so far ahead of nvidia" i asked him what do you mean?

He replyed "Well 9000 is so much higher than 5000"

Then i explaned to him about marekting.
ROFLMFAO~~~~~

You both got me sympathies, and I thank you both for the belly laugh I got reading those two. :)

pgn.inertia
06-05-03, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
ROFLMFAO~~~~~

You both got me sympathies, and I thank you both for the belly laugh I got reading those two. :)

All in the marketing game....

SmuvMoney
06-05-03, 02:28 AM
pgn.interia, thanks for clearing that up. I didn't have the patience or time to do the full research - great list. I didn't realize that nV had never used NVx9 ever. I just threw the number in for completeness. :D Anyway, good job... :cool:

Skuzzy
06-05-03, 08:34 AM
Nice list intertia,..now..will someone put it in order of performance?

Oh digiwand, the hate calls I get about the numbering scheme are truly a riot. One guy flat out told me I was lieing about the 5200 being so much slower than the Ti4200. Seems to be the common match.
Folks think they are upgrading when they buy it, as all the marketing on the box says so, and the retail sales guy agrees with it as well.

I think I'll go stand in the aisle of a nearby retail store to help preserve the sanity of the ignorant. Hey,..can't hurt and might save me a phone call of two. :D

pgn.inertia
06-05-03, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nice list intertia,..now..will someone put it in order of performance?

Sure! :)

From low to high

NV1: NV1/Diamond EDGE3D
NV2: SEGA Pico
NV3: Riva128
NV4: RivaTNT
NV5: RivaTNT2
NV10: GeForce256
NV11: GeForce2 MX
NV15: GeForce2 GTS
NV17: GeForce4 MX
NV18: GeForce4 MX with AGP8x
NV15BR: GeForce2 ULTRA (BladeRunner)
NV20: GeForce3 GPU
NV34: GeForceFX 5200 Ultra/GeForceFX 5200
NV25: GeForce4 Titanium
NV28: GeForce4 Titanium with AGP8x
NV31: GeForceFX 5600 Ultra/GeForceFX 5600
NV30: GeForceFX 5800 Ultra/GeForceFX 5800
NV35: GeForceFX 5900 Ultra/GeForceFX 5900/GeForceFX 5900 Value

Remember, these are just indications of general performance, nothing specific...

Skuzzy
06-05-03, 01:16 PM
Close, but shouldn't the regular 5200 be inbetween GF2 and GF3,..or there abouts? It definately is not in the same performance league with the 5200Ultra.

Heck,..it may not be in the same performance league as the GF2 Ultra.

pgn.inertia
06-05-03, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Close, but shouldn't the regular 5200 be inbetween GF2 and GF3,..or there abouts? It definately is not in the same performance league with the 5200Ultra.

Heck,..it may not be in the same performance league as the GF2 Ultra.

Indeed, but I did it the fast way...

Like GeForceFX 5900 Value will perform less than GeForceFX 5800 Ultra...

That's the problem with different clockspeeds on the same architecture/core...

I said it would be just indications, sjees!...;)

Skuzzy
06-05-03, 01:43 PM
Oh...not hammering you at all. I appreciate the effort. Let's pool and make a good list.

Might be helpful to the new guy trying to figure out which card they want depending on what they have.

Can't have folks trading out of a Ti4600 to a 5200. It just pisses them off.

ricercar
06-05-03, 01:46 PM
So where do we fit in the performance of the rumored NV36 that hypothetically taped out mid-May?