Cavs put the smack down on the Pistons!

[DiscipleDOC]

Pistons 78 at Cavaliers 99

Up into the middle of the fourth Quarter, the Cavs had the Pistons almost 30 points (28). They subbed out their entire starting squad and put in the scrubs. With the return of Delonte West, Cavs unmercifully made the Pistons look like a high school team. ;)

The Cavs was very good last year, but this year, they are unstoppable. They will go to the Finals and take it all the way! :thumbsup:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/gameTrax?gameId=2009022205

[bob saget]

Laker TEAM > Cavs TEAM

lebron/kobe aside.

Pistons are so up and down its not even funny.

[zoomy942]

pfft. mavs are gonna take it all

[methimpikehoses]

pfft. Blazers are gonna take it all

fixe and QFT

[DiscipleDOC]

:rolleyes:

[Sazar]

Nice to see Delonte back :)

Here's to hoping KG, Amare and Bynum also return from their injuries in time for the playoffs (if the Suns ever make it in).

Btw, DD, what views on a Shaq trade in the off-season? :eek:

[DiscipleDOC]

Nice to see Delonte back :)

Here's to hoping KG, Amare and Bynum also return from their injuries in time for the playoffs (if the Suns ever make it in).

Btw, DD, what views on a Shaq trade in the off-season? :eek:

I think Shaq is pass his prime. Shaq is still a dominate force in the paint, but I don't see him being to big of a threat. He's not half the person he was two-4 years ago.

[Zelda_fan]

Lakers are better than cavs. They've proved it twice over already.

[methimpikehoses]

Lakers are better than cavs. They've proved it twice over already.

Yes. Actually Boston is still better than the Cavs.

In any case the East is WEAK.

/DD

[Sazar]

I think Shaq is pass his prime. Shaq is still a dominate force in the paint, but I don't see him being to big of a threat. He's not half the person he was two-4 years ago.

The Cavs are still not championship material in my opinion. Beyond Mo and James, they don't really have a reliable player. Shaq would add a solid low-post scorer who STILL commands a double-team. I am thinking this move would work well as it would free up Lebron and Williams and West to attack more with single coverage.

[DiscipleDOC]

The Cavs are still not championship material in my opinion. Beyond Mo and James, they don't really have a reliable player. Shaq would add a solid low-post scorer who STILL commands a double-team. I am thinking this move would work well as it would free up Lebron and Williams and West to attack more with single coverage.

I agree with your point Saz, it's just that Cleveland would probably have to give up too much to get an old player like Shaq. I would rather get someone like Rasheed Wallace (whose contract is up at the end of this year) or Marcus Camby, or even K Martin. They are good players, they are just on suck teams.

I would trade everyone on Cavs' roster BUT:

LeBron James
Delonte West
Mo Williams
D Gibson

The rest of the team could be sent packing for all I care. ;)

[Tygerwoody]

I agree with your point Saz, it's just that Cleveland would probably have to give up too much to get an old player like Shaq. I would rather get someone like Rasheed Wallace (whose contract is up at the end of this year) or Marcus Camby, or even K Martin. They are good players, they are just on suck teams.

I would trade everyone on Cavs' roster BUT:

LeBron James
Delonte West
Mo Williams
D Gibson

The rest of the team could be sent packing for all I care. ;)
You'd trade Z away? Other than lebron, he's their most valuable player.

Daniel Gibson isn't reliable enough. Neither is Delonte West. Lebron and Z are the only two I would keep from the entire team.

[DiscipleDOC]

You'd trade Z away? Other than lebron, he's their most valuable player.

Daniel Gibson isn't reliable enough. Neither is Delonte West. Lebron and Z are the only two I would keep from the entire team.

In a heartbeat. Z is getting older and too injury-prone. He can produce, true, but he's not a beast in the paint like a K-Mart or a Marcus could be.

Heck, I would even take Chris Bosh over Z.

[Tygerwoody]

In a heartbeat. Z is getting older and too injury-prone. He can produce, true, but he's not a beast in the paint like a K-Mart or a Marcus could be.

Heck, I would even take Chris Bosh over Z.
Well of course.(to everything)


Z isn't an all star by any means. But he means more to the team than anyone else, even Mo. They do need to start thinking about a replacement. I think Marcus Camby would be a great fit, however he's getting older too. K-Mart doesn't fit in with their style of play. Chris Bosh might work well, but he's $$$$$ . Hopefully Chris Bosh will go to the Cavs in the big year of 2010. Thats probably their best bet as the Cavs are good with everything except for center who is about to have age catch a hold of him.

[DiscipleDOC]

Well of course.(to everything)


Z isn't an all star by any means. But he means more to the team than anyone else, even Mo. They do need to start thinking about a replacement. I think Marcus Camby would be a great fit, however he's getting older too. K-Mart doesn't fit in with their style of play. Chris Bosh might work well, but he's $$$$$ . Hopefully Chris Bosh will go to the Cavs in the big year of 2010. Thats probably their best bet as the Cavs are good with everything except for center who is about to have age catch a hold of him.

The reason I put the addendum about Chris Bosh is because of his attitude. I don't think his attitude would mesh well with 'Bron. I think that Bosh is a competitor, but he's a primadonna like Terrell Owens. I can't stand attitudes like that.

[Sazar]

You'd trade Z away? Other than lebron, he's their most valuable player.

Daniel Gibson isn't reliable enough. Neither is Delonte West. Lebron and Z are the only two I would keep from the entire team.

The Cavs would not even be close to where they are now if it were not for Mo Williams play. He has been the perfect foil for Lebron and runs the offense very efficienctly. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Lebron does what he does but Mo facilitates things and his long-range shooting has stretched the oppositions D a fair bit.

DD, regarding Shaq, he has only 1 year left on his contract and yes, he would be expensive to acquire BUT, you would be free of the salary in 2010 when it matters.

[DiscipleDOC]

The Cavs would not even be close to where they are now if it were not for Mo Williams play. He has been the perfect foil for Lebron and runs the offense very efficienctly. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Lebron does what he does but Mo facilitates things and his long-range shooting has stretched the oppositions D a fair bit.

DD, regarding Shaq, he has only 1 year left on his contract and yes, he would be expensive to acquire BUT, you would be free of the salary in 2010 when it matters.

Delonte West is a good sixth man. Mo Williams (as you said) fits into the offense/defense perfectly...'Bron even said as much on ESPN.

I think acquiring Shaq is a move in the wrong direction. He's not being as productive as he was even a year ago. I think that the Cavs should look to someone like the people I've mentioned earlier if they want to be a viable threat in the years to come.

[Tygerwoody]

The Cavs would not even be close to where they are now if it were not for Mo Williams play. He has been the perfect foil for Lebron and runs the offense very efficienctly. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Lebron does what he does but Mo facilitates things and his long-range shooting has stretched the oppositions D a fair bit.

DD, regarding Shaq, he has only 1 year left on his contract and yes, he would be expensive to acquire BUT, you would be free of the salary in 2010 when it matters.
You're right. The cavs wouldn't be. Mo has contributed a lot. But they would be in worse shape without Z than without Mo.

I'm not saying that Z is a better player either, because he's not. I'm just saying that Z fills a VERY big gap in the team. Without him, they have zero size. The cavs definitely need to start thinking about another 7 footer for that team.

[DiscipleDOC]

You're right. The cavs wouldn't be. Mo has contributed a lot. But they would be in worse shape without Z than without Mo.

I'm not saying that Z is a better player either, because he's not. I'm just saying that Z fills a VERY big gap in the team. Without him, they have zero size. The cavs definitely need to start thinking about another 7 footer for that team.

This is not true. Z was out for 6 weeks because of foot surgery, and the Cavs won most of their games without him. In fact, they beat the Celtics with Z. That was one of the best games I seen them play in a LONG time.

[Sazar]

You're right. The cavs wouldn't be. Mo has contributed a lot. But they would be in worse shape without Z than without Mo.

I'm not saying that Z is a better player either, because he's not. I'm just saying that Z fills a VERY big gap in the team. Without him, they have zero size. The cavs definitely need to start thinking about another 7 footer for that team.

They actually do have size. Z is just a really big dude :)

And he can be replaced because the Cavs do have the ability to small ball a bit and have bigs like Anderson Varejao and others to help out. Z spreads the floor but he is not going to turn a team into a contender just by being there. The Cavs proved that this season by playing very well without him.

Remember, however, they couldn't beat the Lakers who had no Bynum even with Z in the lineup.

[Sazar]

Delonte West is a good sixth man. Mo Williams (as you said) fits into the offense/defense perfectly...'Bron even said as much on ESPN.

I think acquiring Shaq is a move in the wrong direction. He's not being as productive as he was even a year ago. I think that the Cavs should look to someone like the people I've mentioned earlier if they want to be a viable threat in the years to come.

A guy who can give you 16 and 8 while shooting .600 and blocking a couple a game and giving you a couple of assists a game AND commanding a double-team is not a bad deal :D

He's not worth $20 mil straight up but... when considering an expiring contract and the bigs in the East, it's not a bad option. Lebron can't keep getting banged up game after game after game. Kobe has survived so far but he is carrying more and more injuries year after year. You don't want Lebron to continue playing 40 minutes a game and getting bruised on the inside, even with his Crab Dribble ;)

[bob saget]

In a heartbeat. Z is getting older and too injury-prone. He can produce, true, but he's not a beast in the paint like a K-Mart or a Marcus could be.

Heck, I would even take Chris Bosh over Z.

chris bosh f*ing pwns, as does bargnani (sp?)

[DiscipleDOC]

A guy who can give you 16 and 8 while shooting .600 and blocking a couple a game and giving you a couple of assists a game AND commanding a double-team is not a bad deal :D

He's not worth $20 mil straight up but... when considering an expiring contract and the bigs in the East, it's not a bad option. Lebron can't keep getting banged up game after game after game. Kobe has survived so far but he is carrying more and more injuries year after year. You don't want Lebron to continue playing 40 minutes a game and getting bruised on the inside, even with his Crab Dribble ;)

:rofl @ crab dribble

[methimpikehoses]

Barganina is getting better but he does not pwn.

Bosh does pwn.

[bob saget]

Bargnani has an awesome shot and a great first move/step. When he gets the ball, he either scores or gets an assist a huge amount of the time.