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LovingSticky
03-16-09, 08:33 AM
Measurements are done by Microsoft itself, but personally I think IE8 beats [slow]Fox in every area possible.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/videos.aspx?vindex=14

a12ctic
03-16-09, 08:40 AM
Most of it comes down to your network connection, even if IE can render a page .001 seconds faster than firefox or opera, I'm not going to burden myself using it. I doubt the majority of people that use alternative browsers use them strictly because they're faster. They use them because of their feature sets. There are so many things that firefox and opera can do that IE cant, while being more secure than IE.

mailman2
03-16-09, 09:21 AM
Firefox is slow, I cant stand using it. I prefer chrome, but tbh I just use IE most the time cause some sites aren't compatible with other browsers. Its not like you can just not use IE at all, some sites don't work with other browsers.

glObalist
03-16-09, 09:32 AM
Firefox is slow, I cant stand using it. I prefer chrome, but tbh I just use IE most the time cause some sites aren't compatible with other browsers. Its not like you can just not use IE at all, some sites don't work with other browsers.

O RLY?

http://ietab.mozdev.org/

a12ctic
03-16-09, 10:34 AM
Firefox is slow, I cant stand using it. I prefer chrome, but tbh I just use IE most the time cause some sites aren't compatible with other browsers. Its not like you can just not use IE at all, some sites don't work with other browsers.

Have you used another browser since ~ 2000? I don't think I've had any compatibility issues with any browser since the early 00's. Don't spread FUD. Even Microsoft fan girls and boys will admit to FF and Opera being stronger browsers than the pile of crud IE is.

|MaguS|
03-16-09, 10:49 AM
Have you used another browser since ~ 2000? I don't think I've had any compatibility issues with any browser since the early 00's. Don't spread FUD. Even Microsoft fan girls and boys will admit to FF and Opera being stronger browsers than the pile of crud IE is.

I use Opera but loved IE8 when I used it (stopped due to crashing issue) and Opera has tons of incompatibility with many websites I visit so stop your BS.

Tr1cK
03-16-09, 11:05 AM
Using FF 3.1b3 and it's very fast on an old P4 2.8 I'm on right now @ work.

Microsoft says it's own product is faster than the competition? NO WAY!! :rofl

Yaboze
03-16-09, 11:20 AM
I use FF3 because I love the Ad-ons. Safari isn't bad either, as an alternative.

thor1182
03-16-09, 12:02 PM
I know I speak for a good size of the web devs out there when I say that nothing makes us cringe more than trying to get our sites to work correctly in IE. Its gotten better, but it is still pretty craptastic.

Firefox gets the job done for 99% of my web-surfing needs, and for the rest my machines always have at least 3 browsers to chose from.

mailman2
03-16-09, 01:19 PM
Have you used another browser since ~ 2000? I don't think I've had any compatibility issues with any browser since the early 00's. Don't spread FUD. Even Microsoft fan girls and boys will admit to FF and Opera being stronger browsers than the pile of crud IE is.

Geez yea, didn't I mention Chrome? Was chrome out in 2000? Sorry I guess replying to an illiterate isn't very helpful anyways.

There are things I have to access for work that can only be accessed using IE. Also access for my wifes work as well requires IE, the page will just give you an error that you must be using IE if you try on Chrome, FF or Opera - I've tried. Some people access more than ghey pron which Im sure is great on Firefox, but I guess you'd be the authority on that too.

FF loads pages like Nutscrape which makes sense since it was built off Nutscrape. It takes longer for them to load using FF, always has. Dunno why there are so many FF fan bois out there, Chrome is a much better browser than FF. MS benchmarks mean nothing.

NaitoSan
03-16-09, 01:28 PM
My brother works at web developer company and they use Firefox as default but it's NOT the fastest. They love Chrome so far and they're impressed with IE8 (they HATE IE6 and 7 was a nice improvement but not as good). They like IE8 and Chrome better than Firefox but they use Firefox because of best compatibility.

Sean_W
03-16-09, 03:14 PM
You'll find that it was more about java script and other benchmarks not page loading time.

It's a known fact that Chrome beats the pants off all browsers in this area, it's very important. Also Firefox 3.1 will be and is MUCH faster than 3.0.x. Sorry Microsoft, nobody said anything about page loading speed, especially if it's as simple as google.com. :rolleyes:

They showed that IE8 can render some popular websites a bit faster. You see there was never a problem with IE's speed rendering pages like that, it's just the compatibility and other important benchmarks that was the problem.

Oh I forgot, IE 8 is only for Windows, major fail.

ATOJAR
03-16-09, 04:24 PM
Firefox is really fast with this ..

Here’s something for broadband people that will really speed Firefox up:

1.Type “about:config” into the address bar and hit return. Scroll down and look for the following entries:

network.http.pipelining network.http.proxy.pipelining network.http.pipelining.maxrequests

Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.

2. Alter the entries as follows:

Set “network.http.pipelining” to “true”

Set “network.http.proxy.pipelining” to “true”

Set “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.

3. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-> Integer. Name it “nglayout.initialpaint.delay” and set its value to “0″. This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.

If you’re using a broadband connection you’ll load pages MUCH faster now!

:)

glObalist
03-16-09, 04:37 PM
Firefox is really fast with this ..

Here’s something for broadband people that will really speed Firefox up:

1.Type “about:config” into the address bar and hit return. Scroll down and look for the following entries:

network.http.pipelining network.http.proxy.pipelining network.http.pipelining.maxrequests

Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.

2. Alter the entries as follows:

Set “network.http.pipelining” to “true”

Set “network.http.proxy.pipelining” to “true”

Set “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.

3. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-> Integer. Name it “nglayout.initialpaint.delay” and set its value to “0″. This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.

If you’re using a broadband connection you’ll load pages MUCH faster now!

:)

WoW!! Lets Alll selebrate these uber tweaks like itz 2004 aaaall over AGAIN!!! :p

This has been proven like 5 years ago to bork quite a lot of pages. Even the developers said it's not on by default for a reason:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/007164.html

CaptNKILL
03-16-09, 04:53 PM
Been using FF for like 5 years now. Its fast enough for me and works for 99% of sites I go to. :p

lightman
03-16-09, 05:51 PM
I know I speak for a good size of the web devs out there when I say that nothing makes us cringe more than trying to get our sites to work correctly in IE.

I just stopped trying to. Nowadays, if I have to code a site, I just stick to w3c xhtml and css. And I'm not alone in this (especially regarding IE6), take a look at one of the more recent blog posts by Dan Cederholm : http://simplebits.com/notebook/2009/02/13/iegone.html ;)

Sazar
03-16-09, 07:04 PM
Measurements are done by Microsoft itself, but personally I think IE8 beats [slow]Fox in every area possible.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/videos.aspx?vindex=14

In real world testing, IE7 and IE8 have typically both been faster for me than Firefox. Chrome is pretty fast itself but Opera is still the speed-demon. That sucker just RIPS.

grey_1
03-16-09, 07:18 PM
In real world testing, IE7 and IE8 have typically both been faster for me than Firefox. Chrome is pretty fast itself but Opera is still the speed-demon. That sucker just RIPS.

That's the only one I ever have an occasional compatibility issue with :o

IE is a must for work.

Home..I just seem to keep on coming back to FF.

bob saget
03-16-09, 07:53 PM
on my computer, firefox is noticeably faster than IE. The webmail my work uses doesnt wanna open on firefox though, so i use IE only for that.

Tr1cK
03-16-09, 07:54 PM
FF is the only one worth a **** until others have addon capability, mainly noscript and adblock plus.

The speed difference is too negligible to bother with anything else. Quit kidding yourselves over a browser that will load a page 2 seconds faster.

Sazar
03-16-09, 11:47 PM
FF is the only one worth a **** until others have addon capability, mainly noscript and adblock plus.

The speed difference is too negligible to bother with anything else. Quit kidding yourselves over a browser that will load a page 2 seconds faster.

Well, FF also crashes like a ***** in heat.

That's why I like Opera and Chrome so much. They don't crash as much, especially with multiple tabs going.

Tr1cK
03-17-09, 07:11 AM
If your browser is crashing all the time, you're doing it wrong. Seriously.

I have zero issues with FF other than a very rare site may not load it properly and needs IE.

lduguay
03-17-09, 08:07 AM
bla bla

Oh I forgot, IE 8 is only for Windows, major fail.

Why bother with 2.13% of market share for web browsing...:headexplode:
IE(n) is used by 58% of people, 31% for FF...

http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

LovingSticky
03-17-09, 09:07 AM
I know I speak for a good size of the web devs out there when I say that nothing makes us cringe more than trying to get our sites to work correctly in IE. Its gotten better, but it is still pretty craptastic.

That is not true at all.

IE6 was introduced in 2001, and at that time, it was an excellent browser. Microsoft introduced XmlHttpRequest, and gave birth to modern AJAX technologies (yes, Microsoft basically invented AJAX).

Take any other browser from 2001 and no modern 2009 website will work in it. IE6? Not always 100%, but it can cope with most of them.

Let's face it: IE6 from 2001 was so good people are still using it in 2009. That is not true of any other browser.

IE7, launched in 2006, was innovative as well - great UI, especially. With IE7Pro and Roboform is it a solid browsing and user experience.

IE8 has excellent core, microformats, indepedent threads for tabs (Microsoft introduced it before Google Chrome).

So, why some people hate Microsoft browsers? First, there is ActiveX. Great technology which makes it possible to run basically any code on your machine, which had also serious security implications (non IT-educated users clicking on "Allow" all the time, letting code that can do anything in). Second, there was a big gap between IE6 and IE7 launches, which made room for other browsers (namely: Firefox).

Firefox was slow, did not have ActiveX, UI was written in extremely slow XUL, did not even have proper name (remember Phoenix and Firebird?), but behaved similarly like IE6, and it was not from Microsoft. So people installed it. If you remember Firefox 1.0, it basically copied IE6 looks, tabs were an afterthought (stolen from Opera anyway), and poorly implemented. Still, there were no ActiveX controls, so people could not click on "Allow" and they (falsely) believed Firefox to be safer.

Now, IE8 is the best choice without any doubt. But latest Safari 4 looks promissing as well though.

Tr1cK
03-17-09, 09:23 AM
There's a lot of was and weres in your comments about Firefox. You are comparing a new browser to the way Firefox was. The latest FF beta builds smoke IE8 hands down.