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LovingSticky
03-19-09, 12:34 PM
The best browser is now available for download in final release :)
http://www.microsoft.com/ie8

I think this means end to growing Firefox marketshare, as IE8 is better in every area - features, user interface, true (the only 100% complete) CSS 2.1 support, accelerators, speed, stability (crash of e.g. Flash plugin in one tab will NOT influence other tabs; neat feature).

mojoman0
03-19-09, 01:28 PM
says for XP and server 2003 only..oh nm had to click other

UPDATE: works freaking amazingly well so far. and fast!

LovingSticky
03-19-09, 02:10 PM
There are versions for Vista (including x64) as well, and in 25 languages.

Yaboze
03-19-09, 02:13 PM
I downloaded it and it seems nice, but all my annoying ads are back, including the EXTREMELY annoying one up there ^^ that pops down and just pisses you off.

Is there any kind of adblock for IE8? Otherwise, back to FF3.

crainger
03-19-09, 03:03 PM
IE8 can suck my balls!

It's the only browser that crashes and takes my whole system with it. Really annoying. I use Chrome mostly, and have since gone back to 7 as a backup. I hope they've sorted 8 by the time they force an upgrade.

Then again, it could be my system with the SP2 beta installed LOL ::):

|MaguS|
03-19-09, 03:06 PM
IE8 final is stable for me, I switch between it and Opera all the ime.

Medion
03-19-09, 03:07 PM
I downloaded it and it seems nice, but all my annoying ads are back, including the EXTREMELY annoying one up there ^^ that pops down and just pisses you off.

Is there any kind of adblock for IE8? Otherwise, back to FF3.

www.ie7pro.com

Works great for IE7, but the addon is still sketchy for IE8. I'm waiting until this is smoothed out before I try IE8.

thor1182
03-19-09, 03:36 PM
its not going to win any standards compliance battles with the other new browsers, nor flexibility (extensions) but its a step in the right direction from IE7

LovingSticky
03-19-09, 04:00 PM
its not going to win any standards compliance battles with the other new browsers

According to keynote from Mix09 ( http://live.visitmix.com/ ) by Dean Hachamovich, IE8 is the -only- browser with complete and full CSS 2.1 support. They showed real-life comparisons and tests of IE8 vs. Google Chrome (Webkit) vs. FF 3.x, and only IE8 was bug-free concerning standards.

Microsoft seems to take W3C standards -extremely- seriously this time.

Add speedy UI, innovative features like accelerators and microformats, and you have a winner.

I know you might come up with Acid3 / CSS3 nonsense again, but those are working drafts and candidate recommendations, not final specs yet. Not important at all. Have yet to met webdesigner that cares about CSS3 drafts being implemented in current browsers. :)

Much more important is stuff like independent threads for tabs, this will save plenty of work when single tab crashes.

LovingSticky
03-19-09, 04:04 PM
www.ie7pro.com

Great for IE7, but causing crashes in IE8. Not recommended, we will have to wait for an update...

// edit: pretty cool IE8 video :)

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/nethistory/

glObalist
03-19-09, 04:29 PM
Until this has adblocking I'm not touching it.

thor1182
03-19-09, 04:40 PM
I know you might come up with Acid3 / CSS3 nonsense again, but those are working drafts and candidate recommendations, not final specs yet. Not important at all. Have yet to met webdesigner that cares about CSS3 drafts being implemented in current browsers. :)

Much more important is stuff like independent threads for tabs, this will save plenty of work when single tab crashes.

You can add me(not sure a web software engineer counts but eh) and everyone who works where I do to the list of people wanting new browsers to be as forward reaching in their rendering of standards as possible. Safari 4 is more advanced in that regard (but still won't use it unless testing).

Would be awesome if they found a way to get people to upgrade all the IE7 and IE6 installs to get more people running on a common rendering level.

thor1182
03-19-09, 04:42 PM
oh, and all the plugin companies need to get off their arses and make 64x plug ins.

grey_1
03-19-09, 04:45 PM
Really enjoying this browser. Just a question.

I disabled the command bar, but going to View>Toolbars>Command bar doesn't allow me to reselect it, nor does rt clicking anywhere on any of the toolbars give any options. Any ideas how to re-enable this>

TIA!

LovingSticky
03-19-09, 05:06 PM
Would be awesome if they found a way to get people to upgrade all the IE7 and IE6 installs to get more people running on a common rendering level.

I know many companies wher admins explicitly prohibit even IE7 installations (via Windows Update or standalone), as their intranet apps were tested years ago for IE6, and they are too lazy to make them work under IE7 (should be very little work), IE8 or any other browser for that matter.

There are also people with Windows 2000 who cannot install IE7 and later, as it is not available.

I am afraid IE6 will not dissapear quickly :(

thor1182
03-19-09, 05:24 PM
I know many companies wher admins explicitly prohibit even IE7 installations (via Windows Update or standalone), as their intranet apps were tested years ago for IE6, and they are too lazy to make them work under IE7 (should be very little work), IE8 or any other browser for that matter.

There are also people with Windows 2000 who cannot install IE7 and later, as it is not available.

I am afraid IE6 will not dissapear quickly :(

Nothing wrong with hoping though. I have an XP virtual machine with IE6 on it for that reason though. Should upgrade my Work PC's IE to 8 and pray I won't need 7 for anything.

Yaboze
03-19-09, 05:26 PM
Yeah, I have an old PC my son uses and it's good for his needs but I can't put IE7 on it because it's Windows 2000. It's kind of a pain. You can't do Media Player 10 (or 11?) either.

LovingSticky
03-19-09, 05:33 PM
I have an XP virtual machine with IE6 on it for that reason though.

I use VMs for Linux and Solaris, for IE5/6/7 testing there is an easier (and free) solution - IETester:
http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage

And now also SuperPreview directly from Microsoft:
http://blogs.msdn.com/xweb/archive/2009/03/18/Microsoft-Expression-Web-SuperPreview-for-Windows-Internet-Explorer.aspx

mojoman0
03-20-09, 04:39 AM
just put it on a 2nd machine and it is seriously fast even on a laptop. It definitely beats out FF in terms of speed.

LovingSticky
03-20-09, 04:48 AM
Real-life speed comparisons:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/03/microsofts-own-speed-tests-show-ie-beating-chrome-firefox.ars

glObalist
03-20-09, 06:01 AM
Real-life speed comparisons:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/03/microsofts-own-speed-tests-show-ie-beating-chrome-firefox.ars

Obsessing about milliseconds, much?

How about MBytes of memory usage?

3 same websites open, FF=123MB, IE8=147MB:

http://www.itworks.sk/pics/ie8.jpg

Oh I know, it's for the sake of multi-threading the tabs in case one crashes. Newsflash: your browser should never crash, ever. At least my FF doesn't.

Funny fact: no addons in IE8, these addons in FF:

http://www.itworks.sk/pics/ffaddons.jpg

j0j081
03-20-09, 08:39 AM
Is it smarter to remove the RC build before installing this or just go over the top?

thor1182
03-20-09, 09:15 AM
Is it smarter to remove the RC build before installing this or just go over the top?

I would think remove the RC then go with the full.

LovingSticky
03-20-09, 09:39 AM
Oh I know, it's for the sake of multi-threading the tabs in case one crashes. Newsflash: your browser should never crash, ever. At least my FF doesn't.

Firefox crashes like mad. And this is why:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA:Talkback:Metrics

https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/f/f5/Ext-crashdetail.jpg

Big advantage of IE8 is that very common crash or freeze of Flash and/or QuickTime plugin in one tab will NOT influence your work in other tabs. E.g. long article you are writing in CMS will not be lost :-)

Firefox 3.0 is quite an obsolete browser, based on copying (and improving a bit) IE6 behaviour and UI. But IE8 is in a whole different league.

glObalist
03-20-09, 09:45 AM
Hey, I said MY FF doesn't crash.

So what do you say about the mem usage?