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greatcu1
06-08-03, 08:55 AM
Right now I have a 1.7 P4 and a Geforce 3. Which is the better upgrade for 3D gaming..upgrading to 2.4 CPU or a ti4200? I don't care about AA and AF...just looking to make today's games a little more playable.

Thanks for any input.

de_telegraaf
06-08-03, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by greatcu1
Right now I have a 1.7 P4 and a Geforce 3. Which is the better upgrade for 3D gaming..upgrading to 2.4 CPU or a ti4200? I don't care about AA and AF...just looking to make today's games a little more playable.

Thanks for any input.

Depends on the type of games you play. More CPU dependent = new CPU. More GPU dependent 5600 or 5900 (depending on your budget)

Across the board I would recommend a CPU upgrade.

Good luck!

Dazz
06-08-03, 09:11 AM
I would say CPU for the time being as a P4 1.7GHz 256k is a pretty weak performer.

Geforce4ti4200
06-08-03, 05:23 PM
you really need a new cpu bad, a pentium3 is faster than that crap

greatcu1
06-08-03, 06:27 PM
I did a little research, and not that 3DMark is the end all of benchmarks, but by looking at both the CPU and video card comparisons, the CPU jump gives me almost twice the amount of increase in points as a ti4200. I guess it's new CPU for me soon...thanks for the input.

ChrisRay
06-09-03, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
you really need a new cpu bad, a pentium3 is faster than that crap


I really think this kind of post is completely uncalled for

extreme_dB
06-09-03, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by ChrisRay
I really think this kind of post is completely uncalled for

Hehe, he could've put it more nicely, but that is the cold hard truth. :mohawk:

Edge
06-09-03, 06:47 AM
I'd say upgrade the CPU first. The difference between a GF3 and a TI4200 is pretty slim unless you're pushing the card to it's max with AA and Aniso. You could probably run any current game just fine at 1024x768 resolution on a GF3 card, a TI4200 card is probably only about 20%-30% faster in raw speed, and you won't see the difference unless your card is the bottleneck.

AgentX
06-09-03, 07:01 AM
Upgrade the cpu then when you can afford it get a 9500Pro, dx9...mmmmmmmmmm

Behemoth
06-09-03, 07:51 AM
Intel Pentium 4 3.00GHz (Hyper-Threading Enabled)
Detonator 44.03 drivers
UT2003 1024x768 4xAA8xAF(qual) flyby avg. fps
5900 ultra 142
9800 pro 135
9700 pro 118
5800 ultra 117
9600 pro 70
5600 ultra 68
ti4600 49

my craP4 1.7G on 5800 @ 500/900, 4xAA8xAF(qual) running same 44.03 driver, same benchmark at 90 fps on flyby, 31 fps on botmatch.

looking at the 49 fps of P4 3G/ti4600 flyby performance, i dont think this fast cpu/slow gpu combo would be faster than my craP4 1.7G/5800(OCed) combo on botmatch.

i finished splinter cell and unreal2 with my craP4 1.7G/5800(OCed) combo, framerates are not great but reasonable.

hope it helps.

extreme_dB
06-09-03, 08:06 AM
Behemoth, there's one little flaw in your findings there. The 5800 totally dominates the Ti4600 at 4xAA8xAF! At those high quality settings, the bottleneck shifts to the GPU, so obviously the graphics card will make much more of an impact than the CPU.

The Ti4200 doesn't have anywhere near the advantage over the GF3 that the 5800 has over the 4600 when the eyecandy is turned up. Neither card (4200 and GF3) can play at those settings, so the CPU will be the limiting factor.

Behemoth
06-09-03, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by extreme_dB
Behemoth, there's one little flaw in your findings there. The 5800 totally dominates the Ti4600 at 4xAA8xAF! At those high quality settings, the bottleneck shifts to the GPU, so obviously the graphics card will make much more of an impact than the CPU.

The Ti4200 doesn't have anywhere near the advantage over the GF3 that the 5800 has over the 4600 when the eyecandy is turned up. Neither card (4200 and GF3) can play at those settings, so the CPU will be the limiting factor.
your right.
i should have included no AA/AF raw performances too, but i was too lazy to search further for benchmark data :)
upgrade either cpu or gpu should give you big enough a performance jump for current games, if you need AA/AF now, upgrade video card, if you dont need AA/AF now, next gen cards might be more worthwhile for next gens games, but i love new video card goodies i cant skip more than one gpu generation you see :), i have a geforce 1, a geforce 3 and now 5800, my next card will be probably nv40 :D

PreservedSwine
06-09-03, 08:54 AM
Behemoth, I would take those numbers you gave w/ a grain of salt.

A Ti4600 getting 49fps w/4xAA8xAF??

I think whatever review you pulled that from may not be the most accurate;)

That being said, a cpu upgrade would be a great benefit, as no AA and no AF will be used, you can squeeze another year or two out of the good ol' GF3:)

Behemoth
06-09-03, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by PreservedSwine
Behemoth, I would take those numbers you gave w/ a grain of salt.

A Ti4600 getting 49fps w/4xAA8xAF??

I think whatever review you pulled that from may not be the most accurate;)

That being said, a cpu upgrade would be a great benefit, as no AA and no AF will be used, you can squeeze another year or two out of the good ol' GF3:)
hehe i dont know, i pulled that from anandtech's 5900 ultra review. is that too high or too low?
i am gonna squeeze another year out of the good ol' P4 1.7G :)