N Korea famine, children eaten [Archive]

Sazar

06-09-03, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by DaveW
NOES!!!

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/08/wkor08.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/06/08/ixworld.html

:eek:

they must have run out of cats and dogs to eat :(

Lucien1964

06-09-03, 11:29 AM

Simple solution.Stop the nuke programs and let the world feed their people.Japan and the USA should sent huge amounts of food once the North Korean government ceases the lame ass nuke program.:rolleyes: :eek:

Kain

06-09-03, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Lucien1964
Simple solution.Stop the nuke programs and let the world feed their people.Japan and the USA should sent huge amounts of food once the North Korean government ceases the lame ass nuke program.:rolleyes: :eek: Why should they stop it? Why does America try to "control the world?"

If America can have WMD, why can't everyone else?

stncttr908

06-09-03, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Kain
Why should they stop it? Why does America try to "control the world?"

If America can have WMD, why can't everyone else? Maybe because the US hasn't participated in any unprovoked mass invasions of other countries in recent history. :rolleyes:

Let's see here, we stopped Iraq (the Iran wars in the 80's) and now Korea (the Korean War in the early 1950's). Why should these nations be allowed to have the power to do such things again?

See what the world turns into if the US stepped away.

Riptide

06-09-03, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Kain
Why should they stop it? Why does America try to "control the world?"

If America can have WMD, why can't everyone else?
Oh yes, by all means... Let's give EVERYONE WMD just so we can be fair! That makes so much sense doesn't it?

intercede007

06-09-03, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Kain
Why should they stop it? Why does America try to "control the world?"

If America can have WMD, why can't everyone else?

Because we haven't used them as barganing chips. Remember, North Korea reneged on a treaty. The North Korean people only have their government to blame.

monkeydust

06-09-03, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by stncttr908
Maybe because the US hasn't participated in any unprovoked mass invasions of other countries in recent history.
You mean like how the US invaded Iraq recently?

DaveW

06-09-03, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by monkeydust
You mean like how the US invaded Iraq recently?

Here we go again... I'd say 3-4 posts until someone mentions Israel.

Riptide

06-09-03, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by monkeydust
You mean like how the US invaded Iraq recently?
Also very debatable, but talk about a horse that's been beaten to death here...

Kain

06-09-03, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Riptide
Oh yes, by all means... Let's give EVERYONE WMD just so we can be fair! That makes so much sense doesn't it? It would. Why? Because everyone would be afraid of one another, thus there would be peace!

By the way, where are Iraq's WMD?? :rolleyes:

Riptide

06-09-03, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Kain
It would. Why? Because everyone would be afraid of one another, thus there would be peace!

By the way, where are Iraq's WMD?? :rolleyes:
No, it does not make sense. It's craziness. And if you truly believe we should hand out WMD to all the countries on earth in the name of fairness and peace, you are off of your rocker.

And if I knew where the WMD were at, obviously I would make that information available. Oh, and just because we have not found them yet does not prove that there aren't any to be found in the first place.

Kain

06-09-03, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Riptide
No, it does not make sense. It's craziness. And if you truly believe we should hand out WMD to all the countries on earth in the name of fairness and peace, you are off of your rocker.

And if I knew where the WMD were at, obviously I would make that information available. Oh, and just because we have not found them yet does not prove that there aren't any to be found in the first place. If America doesn't know where they are, then how did they know they were there? :rolleyes:

Riptide

06-09-03, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Kain
If America doesn't know where they are, then how did they know they were there? :rolleyes:
Oh, so he never had them right? AFAIK, there were tons of material still not accounted for before the war began. That contention was supported by the UN if I remember correctly. I think UDawg has brought up exactly what it was that's missing previously.

Pay careful attention to Blix's quotes in this link:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/6/5/204739.shtml

To <snip>:
"As I have noted before, this does not necessarily mean that such items could not exist," he said. "They might -- there remain long lists of items unaccounted for -- but it is not justified to jump to the conclusion that something exists just because it is unaccounted for."

Kain

06-09-03, 01:44 PM

Did I say he never had them? The question is whether he has them now.

America uses such old facts and evidence to "prove" he has WMD.

Riptide

06-09-03, 01:52 PM

You said, "How did we know they were there?". I showed you. Your statement indicated doubt that they were ever there in the first place (hence the past tense). Perhaps it could've been worded a little clearer.

And judging by the fact that they never did produce proof of what happened to the "long lists" of unaccounted items or even offer an explanation for it I think we had reasonable suspicion.

1stFlight

06-09-03, 01:58 PM

All I can say folks is now that Bush is faced with a real threat, a real enemy, and real WMD's. It was amazing to watch how quickly his "pre-emptive" foreign policy fell apart.

I guess it was only to be used against nations that couldn't defend themselves.

Riptide

06-09-03, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by 1stFlight
All I can say folks is now that Bush is faced with a real threat, a real enemy, and real WMD's. It was amazing to watch how quickly his "pre-emptive" foreign policy fell apart.

I guess it was only to be used against nations that couldn't defend themselves.
It's obviously going to be easier to defeat Iraq than NK. It doesn't take 4 years in west point to understand that. You are so quick to critisize aren't you? It will take a lot of planning to defeat NK in a military conflict and I think they'll probably try diplomacy to solve the situation first. Just because we don't pick up and rush right over there two months after fighting a conflict in another theater doesn't mean we're just forgetting about the whole issue.

FiggyG

06-09-03, 02:40 PM

You do have to wonder about the weapons in Iraq.... Why were there vehicles scrubbed clean of any traces just sitting around? It's not like they didn't know we were coming... hell you could go to yahoo and it would say "37 hours 15 minutes and 20.3394963823284734 seconds until invasion of Iraq begins". Just go to any news channel (or station that has any news at all on it) and they would talk about it. Then Bush gave them 2 more days to get ready.

They knew we were coming, but whether or not there were ever weapons there, sure does make Bush & Blair look like idiots.

Sorry about the off topic.. I forgot to mention, that's sick what's going on in N. Korea, man... I don't even want to read that article, would probably upset my stomach to know anymore details..

intercede007

06-09-03, 03:17 PM

intercede007

06-09-03, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Kain
Did I say he never had them? The question is whether he has them now.

America uses such old facts and evidence to "prove" he has WMD.

EXACTLY!!! WHERE ARE THEY?????

Thats precisely the point!!! It's fact he had a nuclear weapons development program, it's fact he had amounts of Plutonium...and it's all gone!!! Someone help me out here, because I can't find it on the 'net, but in 1989 (?) Israel sent a flight of F-16's into Iraq under their radar to bomb one of Saddams development centers. As I recall, Saddam moved the operation underground shortly thereafter.

Where is all this crap? Where is the equipment? Where did the Plutonium go?? Stuff this valuable doesn't just dissapear. Think about it.

vampireuk

06-09-03, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by intercede007

Where is all this crap? Where is the equipment? Where did the Plutonium go?? Stuff this valuable doesn't just dissapear. Think about it.

Ebay:rofl

intercede007

06-09-03, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by vampireuk
Ebay:rofl

LOL!!!

Man..I wouldn't doubt it dude. A few years back there was a half-eaten sandwich up for auction.

stncttr908

06-09-03, 10:38 PM

I guess the murders of 60,000 Kurds with gas in the 80's wasn't proof enough that he at least had them at one time. We have scientists in this country or in our custody that took part in these programs. It's not like looking for your buried micro machines in your backyard. I believe that there is evidence somewhere that will prove the Bush Administration's beliefs.

Oh and monkeydust? We're not looking to dominate and oppress the people of Iraq. That is where your comparison is shaky.