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LaZeR
04-06-09, 11:17 AM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=114

Which one of these systems (under $1000) would you pick as the best buy?

methimpikehoses
04-06-09, 11:32 AM
Prebuilt systems FTL!!!

Revs
04-06-09, 11:34 AM
Build your own you lazy bugger! If not get a mate to. That way you'll know what you're getting and you'll also get moar for yuor moneyz.

Even the ones near $1000 won't be much good for gaming and are a ripoff :thumbdwn:

Prebuilt systems FTL!!!

Yup

Send me PayPalz for $1000 and I'll build you a rig, but you'll have to collect it :p

/thread

LaZeR
04-06-09, 12:04 PM
Prebuilt systems FTL!!!

Yea yea I know. I used to do it that way but haven't kept up with the latest shiz and I just want to keep it simple because I'm lazy. Oh yea, I'm poor to. :o

I just want to shoot zombies, damnit! (nana2)

Hey Revs, screw that /thread, I need halp here!

methimpikehoses
04-06-09, 12:08 PM
NO, if you're poor then build one yourself because it's CHEAPER.

/thread/Revs/GreatBritain

LaZeR
04-06-09, 12:13 PM
Don't do it LaZeR, man up and build your own. This is a hardware enthusiast site, the only excuse for getting something prebuilt is if you're buying a laptop.

Okay then list me some:

Motherboard =
Processor =
Case =
Memory =
Video Card =
Sound Card =
DVD/BlueRay maybe? =
________________________________

Total Cost (within $1G) =

:o

logan
04-06-09, 12:59 PM
You could do a barebone system from mwave.com. Select the case, motherboard, processor, etc and have them assemble and test. I got tired of assembling from scratch after I built my first two systems and have been going back to them since. The case selection for their barebone systems isn't what it used to be, ugly Apevia cases is pretty much it for aluminum. For my last upgrade, I decided to keep my current Super Flower 201-S case and just did a motherboard bundle, had them put together an E8400+MSI P35 Platinum, yanked out my old board/cpu and tossed in the new one and a new psu. You may be able to just put all of the components you want into your cart and tell them to assemble the whole thing, probably for a higher cost than the standard barebone assembly charge of $20 or $30 or whatever. That should get you access to some of the better looking cases, like a PC-60A Plus II from Lian-Li.

I really like the ICH-based boards, no problems with AHCI and hot-swap and pretty good performance with a software raid5. Newegg has tons of good reviews for Gigabyte's GA-EP45-UD3R. That plus an E8400+, 4-8GB ram, maybe a Corsair HX520W PSU, and a GTX260 could be pretty decent and should be well under $1000 and allow you to add in an X-Fi sound card or whatever. I was specing something similar for work (onboard sound though) and that was about $1000 with 3 hard drives and an internal hot-swap enclosure.

XDanger
04-06-09, 01:10 PM
Getting the good stuff like i7 and a high end graphics card is over 1g at the moment so I'd recommend getting a decent mobo and a i7 920 with a crappy graphics card to start you off,

I wouldn't build a new rig now with 775 (or buy one) as its on the way out, The 1336 CPU's will be cheaper and faster in no time and you would be left with an incompatible dinosaur.


Don't build an E8400 or Q6600 system unless you want to upgrade everything in a years time.

So once again , i7 920/Good Motherboard/Some cheap ass ram/****ty Graphics Card

Logical
04-06-09, 02:58 PM
Maybe you could get the prime components first.....

Mobo, CPU, RAM, GPU on the understanding you already have PSU, case, dvd-R.....If you dont already have those then i can only suggest waiting for prices to come down a little....


mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131346R

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

DVD-r - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152

CASe - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

PSu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433

total price $1304 approx

That was just a quick look on newegg im sure with a little searching you could get the price under a $1000 with cheaper components.

CaptNKILL
04-06-09, 03:02 PM
Maybe you could get the prime components first.....

Mobo, CPU, RAM, GPU on the understanding you already have PSU, case, dvd-R.....If you dont already have those then i can only suggest waiting for prices to come down a little....


mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131346R

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

DVD-r - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152

CASe - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

PSu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433

total price $1304 approx

That was just a quick look on newegg im sure with a little searching you could get the price under a $1000 with cheaper components.

Ehhh...

Corsair Dominator memory is way over priced and pretty much useless. A $260 1000W PSU is total overkill. And Open Box motherboards aren't a good idea. You could knock probably $300 off of that without losing any performance.

Let me try.

EDIT:
mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128386 (Gigabyte X58 with SLI support)

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (Core i7 920)

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227375 (6GB OCZ DDR3-1333)

DVD-r - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171 (Samsung 22x SATA)

CASe - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 (CoolerMaster RC690)

PSu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009 (Corsair 850W)

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143155 (BFG GTX 260 216)

Using a free shipping promo code on the case it comes out to $1025 shipped.

If you'd rather save a little more money you could get a Gigabyte P43 board, a Q9550 and 4Gb of DDR2 to knock off around $200.

I highly recommend overclocking with either system though, since that's where the CPUs really shine. A top of the line cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029)would only cost you $40.

LaZeR
04-06-09, 03:09 PM
Thanks. Keep the suggestions coming. I will probably be needing the works as my old system probably doesn't have much swappable or worth swapping over thus I will probably just keep it in intact in xtra room for internet, pron storage, ect... :o

Edit: :lol: too many probably's, wtf you can tell I'm totally lost. Damn 4 years without following the new hardware and I feel like a newB.

Logical
04-06-09, 03:22 PM
Ye Captn, im not familiar with Newegg it was first time i used it, as im english and use scan computers mostly, but yes most of the components i picked are overkill...was just a quick example that a new I7 build could be had for around $1000 easily.

Your choices are far cheaper and more priced around what Lazer needs.

LaZeR
04-06-09, 03:32 PM
Ehhh...

Corsair Dominator memory is way over priced and pretty much useless. A $260 1000W PSU is total overkill. And Open Box motherboards aren't a good idea. You could knock probably $300 off of that without losing any performance.

Let me try.

EDIT:
mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128386 (Gigabyte X58 with SLI support)

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (Core i7 920)

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227375 (6GB OCZ DDR3-1333)

DVD-r - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171 (Samsung 22x SATA)

CASe - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 (CoolerMaster RC690)

PSu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009 (Corsair 850W)

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143155 (BFG GTX 260 216)

Using a free shipping promo code on the case it comes out to $1025 shipped.

If you'd rather save a little more money you could get a Gigabyte P43 board, a Q9550 and 4Gb of DDR2 to knock off around $200.

I highly recommend overclocking with either system though, since that's where the CPUs really shine. A top of the line cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029)would only cost you $40.

How does this one match up with the above?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4508970&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

Note: I will need a HD and monitor either way. Well the one I linked comes with the HD plus assembled/tested with OS. Hrmmm :headexplode:

CaptNKILL
04-06-09, 03:38 PM
Thanks. Keep the suggestions coming. I will probably be needing the works as my old system probably doesn't have much swappable or worth swapping over thus I will probably just keep it in intact in xtra room for internet, pron storage, ect... :o

Edit: :lol: too many probably's, wtf you can tell I'm totally lost. Damn 4 years without following the new hardware and I feel like a newB.

In that case, I recommend skipping the i7 for now to save some money so you can get a couple hard drives while staying within your budget.


mobo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128380 (Gigabyte P43 "Ultra Durable" for overclocking)

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131 (Core 2 Quad Q9400 - Will easily hit 3.6 to 4Ghz with a decent cooler without getting too hot)

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231226 (4Gb GSkill DDR2-1066)

DVD-r - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171 (Samsung 22x SATA)

CASe - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 (CoolerMaster RC690)

PSu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 (Corsair 750W)

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143155 (BFG GTX 260 216)

CPU Cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 (Xigmatek Dark Knight)

Hard Drives - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 (2x Western Digital Black 640Gb)

Comes to $963 shipped in my shopping cart. :)

methimpikehoses
04-06-09, 03:51 PM
Build. Your. Own. This. is. a. tech. forum.

Ninjaman09
04-06-09, 04:01 PM
Edit: :lol: too many probably's, wtf you can tell I'm totally lost. Damn 4 years without following the new hardware and I feel like a newB.

Heheh I felt the same way when I built my new rig man, trust me it's like riding a bike, it'll all come back to you. Just do some reading on HardOCP, Tom's Hardware, etc. Computer building has become more mainstream over the years and it's a lot easier now with products being designed to make it easier to build.

Capt's suggestions are excellent by the way. Only thing I'd say is go with the Core i7 platform, for only a bit more you're getting a much better system, and they overclock on air incredibly well. The Zalman CNPS9700 is on sale for $44 right now on Newegg and the bracket kit to mount it on a Core i7 is only $5. Basically a top-of-the-line air cooler for $50, which is extremely easy to install to boot.

The system you linked from Tigerdirect is nice except for the video card and power supply...honestly spend the extra couple hundred for a good card and PSU, video cards provide the majority of the power for systems these days. :)

Drolfrawd
04-06-09, 04:23 PM
If you can't build a rigg , you should be working in da pRon Industry.

Build the rigg , you can, you can

Revs
04-06-09, 05:37 PM
Oh you simply must!

You'll enjoy it and have more pride in it :p. It's hard to get it wrong now-a-days anyhow and if you're stuck there's many here who'll help ;).

LaZeR
04-06-09, 09:52 PM
If you can't build a rigg , you should be working in da pRon Industry.

Build the rigg , you can, you can

Yea I will likely build the damn thing. Okay, keep this thread updated so by the time I can scratch together teh funds, I will still have fresh ideas! :smoking:

CaptNKILL
04-06-09, 11:54 PM
Yea I will likely build the damn thing. Okay, keep this thread updated so by the time I can scratch together teh funds, I will still have fresh ideas! :smoking:

To stay ahead of the technology curve, add one Ghz or one Gb on to everything I listed for every day that you wait.

bob saget
04-07-09, 12:14 AM
ur so helpful captn :wonder:

newparad1gm
04-07-09, 08:59 AM
How does this one match up with the above?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4508970&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

Note: I will need a HD and monitor either way. Well the one I linked comes with the HD plus assembled/tested with OS. Hrmmm :headexplode:

Are you looking to get a monitor included with the system for under $1000? There's going to have to be some serious corner cutting to manage that, depending on how big you want your monitor to be. How long are you planning the lifetime of this machine to be as your primary box?

LaZeR
04-07-09, 10:14 AM
Are you looking to get a monitor included with the system for under $1000? There's going to have to be some serious corner cutting to manage that, depending on how big you want your monitor to be. How long are you planning the lifetime of this machine to be as your primary box?

Realistically no, I figured the monitor/lcd would stretch me beyond the $1000. Basically I'm shooting for everything else to be within that figure.

Okay, I've assembled in the past from "barebones" kits, ect... but (dont laff) , never mounted the MB in case nor the cpu/heatsink/mb from scratch using that artic silver or whatever.... so yea, I'm a little squeamish :o

Memory, Power Supply, Media drives, fans, cards... done all that so not worried there.

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Oh, as far as the lifetime expectations. I would like it to get me by a few years I guess in generally being able to handle gaming and not be totally obsolete in 1 year.

newparad1gm
04-07-09, 11:42 AM
Realistically no, I figured the monitor/lcd would stretch me beyond the $1000. Basically I'm shooting for everything else to be within that figure.

Okay, I've assembled in the past from "barebones" kits, ect... but (dont laff) , never mounted the MB in case nor the cpu/heatsink/mb from scratch using that artic silver or whatever.... so yea, I'm a little squeamish :o

Memory, Power Supply, Media drives, fans, cards... done all that so not worried there.

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Oh, as far as the lifetime expectations. I would like it to get me by a few years I guess in generally being able to handle gaming and not be totally obsolete in 1 year.

Yeah, the problem with going with an LGA775 motherboard right now is that there is no future-proofing the processor and memory components of your build, as Intel is moving on to new sockets using DDR3 RAM. However, a decent Q-series quad core and a good overclock should be viable for games for the next few years.

The video card will be more important, as you will probably have to upgrade at some point before your next machine to keep the current machine viable (if you want to run your games on high settings, you could probably stretch it out much further and maybe not even have to replace it at all if you are willing to sacrifice visuals). CaptNKill's made some excellent recommendations here.

As for build experience, everything is outlined in manuals that come with the parts now. If you are willing to go with stock cooling, the Intel stock HSF's are a breeze to mount. Just make sure to monitor temps afterwards to make sure everything is snug and tight. Otherwise, the instructions that come with these custom coolers should be plenty adequate. Just stay grounded and don't drag your feet around shaggy carpets.

LaZeR
04-08-09, 07:03 PM
Okay thought this over and I'm probably not going to be ready to spend enough just yet to build a new system + other than the lack of running some of the newer games and upgrading the OS from XP to Vista or W7, I'm ok with what I have atm:

Abit IC7-G / P4 @ 3Ghz / 1Gb Ram / Antec Earthwatts 430W PS / GF3 Ti200 / SB Audigy

So with that said, it looks like for about $200, I could upgrade the bolded to:

2 more GB Ram for total of 3GB (I have 2 open slots)
&
Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000380048%201069609639&CompareItemList=N82E16814131141%2CN82E16814102730R %2CN82E16814161225%2CN82E16814102730&page=2&bop=And <<---Opinions on which one of these or any alternates?

Would this be fair bang for the buck for now and give me a little more life out of this system?

Then next year I will look into a new build.