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Zhivago
04-19-09, 01:27 PM
I can't speak for others, but to me when I say C, I generally mean C++. I mean some of the times you are using straight C is when you are working at the embedded level, and even then most embedded compilers will take C++. The only time you are working with low level C++/C is with EE programming. Most other times you are working with OS commands of some sort.
Break the habit. C is not C++ and C++ is not C (no, not even a superset of C). The "C/C++" gibberish you see at times is also wrong since there is no such language.
What do you mean by OS commands?
thor1182
04-20-09, 11:45 AM
Break the habit. C is not C++ and C++ is not C (no, not even a superset of C). The "C/C++" gibberish you see at times is also wrong since there is no such language.
What do you mean by OS commands?
Yes there are differences, but they are minor enough to most people that only a few would be working at the level where you would know.
Most applications these days regardless of type are running on top of a OS layer. So either you are working with normal logic code, or calling OS commands to perform some system function. Very rarely are developers working straight to the metal.
Marvel_us
04-20-09, 09:05 PM
Yes there are differences, but they are minor enough to most people that only a few would be working at the level where you would know.
C++ is object oriented, C is not. That alone is a major difference.
I really can't recommend to start with C at all, that's almost like telling someone to start with assembly. Don't get me wrong, C is nice, but not for starters. I'd recommend to start with C#, move to C++ after and if you are thinking C++ is nice you can try to look into C. I don't recommend to start with Java.
+1
Java is a lot easier after getting the basics down in a language like C# or VB.NET
Zhivago
04-20-09, 10:21 PM
Yes there are differences, but they are minor enough to most people that only a few would be working at the level where you would know.
With a line such as this, I trust you are misinformed about C, C++, or both.
Granted, if you (mis)-used C++ by treating it as basically a "better C" there might not be a great deal of difference at the surface, but you are failing to really exploit the true power of C++ (its object-oriented facilities).
Zhivago
04-20-09, 10:28 PM
+1
Java is a lot easier after getting the basics down in a language like C# or VB.NET
Well Java is sufficiently similar to C# where I really wouldn't put one ahead of the other as to which one would be better to start off with. I suppose it would depend on other factors, such as whether you know a Java guru who can mentor you, local employers' needs, etc..
I would probably second the opinion that it is not optimal to start with C. C is a horribly primitive (or just plain horrible at times) byte-processing language and lacks many modern features found in more recent languages. When learning a first language, it would be preferable to spend your time thinking about problem solving, not fussing with obscure memory management issues.
thor1182
04-21-09, 08:16 AM
With a line such as this, I trust you are misinformed about C, C++, or both.
Granted, if you (mis)-used C++ by treating it as basically a "better C" there might not be a great deal of difference at the surface, but you are failing to really exploit the true power of C++ (its object-oriented facilities).
Lets go with misinformed, or forgot that bit from classes. No OO verse OO is a BIG difference, your right. Even still, few people have a reason to use straight C unless they are doing EE stuff... unless you are some sort of purist.
Learn to program.
Learn games programming.
Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I still think C is a great language to learn to program in. There is few keywords. You get to learn loops and decision constructs. Its closer to the wire and you get a sense of what is actually happening in the computer. Its also a good idea to understand procedural programming. Once you understand these basics you can start to learn the OO paradigm.
On windows the "Visual" studio IDE is what you want to get. If your thinking 3D games C++ is where you want to end up.
Butter Bandit
04-23-09, 10:13 AM
Forget everything else in this thread. Learn Pascal, and then SNOBOL.
Dreamweavernoob
04-23-09, 05:54 PM
You guys knowledge is up here.
(a few galaxys here)
Mine is here.
:o
Anyway, ive had an idea for a game that ive had for a few years now and with the advent of touch screen phones, it would fit one perfectly.
Obviously im not concerned with teh monies, but it would be nice to see it implemented after having it knock around in my brain for these past 6-7yrs.
You guys knowledge is up here.
(a few galaxys here)
Mine is here.
:o
Anyway, ive had an idea for a game that ive had for a few years now and with the advent of touch screen phones, it would fit one perfectly.
Obviously im not concerned with teh monies, but it would be nice to see it implemented after having it knock around in my brain for these past 6-7yrs.
You need to look at what programming language you need for which phone. For example I believe the IPhone uses Objective C where Google's phone uses Java. I could be wrong on that but, I don't believe you can just program in any old language and distribute the app to any old phone.
Marvel_us
04-25-09, 09:36 PM
You need to look at what programming language you need for which phone. For example I believe the IPhone uses Objective C where Google's phone uses Java. I could be wrong on that but, I don't believe you can just program in any old language and distribute the app to any old phone.
Sounds right to me. Android uses java, you can't just code it in C++ and upload it to the phone.
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