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|MaguS|
04-16-09, 10:52 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/16/gta-chinatown-wars-sells-89k-units-in-march/

GTA China Town wars sold under 90K units in march. With a system that has almost 30 million units available on the market, that attachment rate is pathetic. It's not that the game is bad either so its proof that a good developer with a good game on a system with a large install base doesn't mean instant profit.

Hopefully publishers will look at this and drop support for the DS and Wii and start focusing on consoles that actually sell their games well. ;)

NarcissistZero
04-16-09, 10:56 PM
A lot of the news site's comments sections have people saying they and all their friends pirated the game. Maybe that was a factor.

I bet the much bigger factor is that GTA on DS is a stupid idea in the first place.

|MaguS|
04-16-09, 10:57 PM
A lot of the news site's comments sections have people saying they and all their friends pirated the game. Maybe that was a factor.

I bet the much bigger factor is that GTA on DS is a stupid idea in the first place.

Like Madworld on the Wii.

Mr. Hunt
04-16-09, 11:06 PM
Madworld was a dumb idea anyway, because it sucked. Didn't matter if it had decent graphics... it still would suck.

Zelda_fan
04-16-09, 11:21 PM
rofl.

Yeah.


I guess games like Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy, Guitar Hero, and Zelda sell terrible.

The GTA series has always sucked balls. The only people who play it are wanna be homo-thugs, which coindidentally comprises 95% of the PS3's install base. So it doesn't suprise me that a game like that will sell well on the PS3.

Moral of the story = pathetic losers buy the PS3.

Mr. Hunt
04-17-09, 01:25 AM
Really because usually complaints about the PS3 are that they are expensive... so a pathetic loser couldn't afford one... now a cheap piece of crap that any tard can play called the Wii... well just about anybody can get one of those.

ViN86
04-17-09, 01:49 AM
tbh I don't know how well hand-held statistics like on the DS translate to consoles like the PS3 and 360...

The market is very different. Lots of older teens on 360/PS3, but I would think the majority of DS owners are kids (6-13).

NarcissistZero
04-17-09, 02:33 AM
but I would think the majority of DS owners are kids (6-13).

Kids and women. Every DS owner I know in real life is a kid or a woman. Women love that damn thing.

Oh, and PS3/360 is more 20-something males than teenagers.

|MaguS|
04-17-09, 08:34 AM
Kids and women. Every DS owner I know in real life is a kid or a woman. Women love that damn thing.

Oh, and PS3/360 is more 20-something males than teenagers.

Yes because kids don't play GTA... no I never saw a 13 year old playing GTA...

Oha nd I own a DS :o

ViN86, Not saying this is a perfect example for comparison against consoles but it does show that even a very successful franchise cannot do well on certain platforms even if there are a **** ton of them available. I mean come on, they didn't even get a quarter of a million sold with the game... I think LAIR sold better then that. :p

NaitoSan
04-17-09, 09:16 PM
More about this at Kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/5216597/adult-gaming-on-the-ds-the-chinatown-conundrum

With 100 million DS and DSi in the hands of gamers worldwide, Nintendo's portable is a mighty tempting platform for developers. So why are only seven of the nearly 1,100 games for the DS rated Mature?

A popular argument is that Nintendo's portable is for kids and soccer moms only, something that the Japanese developer and publisher has spent years now fighting to disprove.

Last month Rockstar Games, the developer known as much for the adult themes of their games as they are for the quality of their superb titles, took a gamble to disprove that notion, releasing Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars for the DS.

Expectations for the open-world, high-production value game ran high with analysts predicting 200,000 to 450,000 in sales in the first month. But instead the game moved a paltry 89,000, according to the NPD Group.

Proof that the DS isn't a good fit for hardcore gaming? It's a bit more complicated than that.

"Chinatown Wars received critical acclaim and is the highest rated DS title of all time," said Alan Lewis, vice president of corporate communications for Take-Two, which owns Rockstar Games. "In terms of performance, we think it is performing in line with other triple-A games on the platform."

Lewis points out that the game was only on sale for 19 days in March, adding that the game is the highest unit selling M rated title in its launch month and already the second highest selling M rated title on the DS.

"We are very confident in Chinatown Wars long-term potential for success," he said. "We think it will have a long life in the market."

Analysts agree that Chinatown Wars' potential success will be measured over the long haul, rather than the short one. Though Wedbush Morgan's Michael Pachter thinks that the early low sales could mean it will be quite awhile before we see another deep game developed for adults on the DS.

"It's shocking that sales were 89,000 because it is a really well known franchise, a really high rated game," Pachter said. "There is no way you can say it didn't do well because people didn't know about it or it's bad."

What that leaves, Pachter says, is evidence that either the DS audience is too young or disinterested in deeper, longer games to play on the DS.

"This is really the first hardcore, mature game for the DS," he said. "I think there certainly won't be another for the next two or three years. It will take a bold publisher to put something else like this out there."

EEDAR analyst Jesse Divnich says he wasn't surprised by Chinatown Wars initial low sales numbers.

"When you release a big DS game like this, it's for the long term," he said. "It's not like an in and out thing, like you would see for the console. With the DS, games have a lot longer legs than any other

Nintendo seems to agree.

"Remember that many games for Nintendo DS have a nontraditional sales pattern," said Denise Kaigler, Nintendo of America's vice president of corporate affairs. "The trend is toward ‘evergreen' games that sell well over an extended period of time instead of in a one-month spike. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare for Nintendo DS is a good example. In its first month (November 2007), it sold only 36,000. To date, it has sold through nearly 500,000. Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars is a great game that has received tremendous reviews. We expect that with continued backing, it will follow the same long-tail/evergreen sales route that other top sellers have taken."

Divnich says that like Nintendo he expects Chinatown Wars will see similarly big numbers in the long run, but recognizes that the game faces an uphill battle compared to something like Pokémon. Pokémon Platinum was the second highest selling game in March, with 805,000 copies sold.

"It's really an apple to oranges comparison," Divnich said. "You are targeting two different markets. The people who buy Pokémon, that's the main consumer for the DS."

And that's sort of the point that it seems Rockstar was trying to disprove. The question now is, will Rockstar and other third-party publishers still be willing to wait for long-term sales on future deep, adult games or will they instead move back to the casual and the kiddy for the DS.

"We have and we will continue to support the platform," Take-Two's Lewis told me. "We think the mature segment of the DS market is growing."

I say to give it some time, it'll probably sell a lot more. It's the first hardcore, mature game for DS. I think you went on it too soon, let alone it's STILL selling. It's not like they pulled it out from the shelves.

Zelda_fan
04-18-09, 01:47 AM
Really because usually complaints about the PS3 are that they are expensive... so a pathetic loser couldn't afford one... now a cheap piece of crap that any tard can play called the Wii... well just about anybody can get one of those.

Yeah, you really have to have a great job to afford a $350 console rofl. I could buy a PS3 with a ****ing McDonalds salary if I really wanted one. Matter of fact when I go into fast food restaurants, I HEAR the employees talking about PS3 games.

LovingSticky
04-21-09, 06:21 PM
Getting PS3 and/or Xbox 360 is not your only expense, many people also need new HD TV /1080p/, new receiver, 5.1 speakers, etc. That is not pocket money.

Wii, on the other hand, is usually connected to some 20 year old PAL/NTSC little TV and no external speakers.

Sazar
04-21-09, 06:47 PM
/me shrugs

I play games on my iphone.

Most other adults I know who play portable games play on their G1's, blackberries or iphones as well. I am assuming Nokia's also have decent gaming.

|MaguS|
09-10-09, 10:05 PM
More proof that the Wii great numbers do not equal great sales for the developer and publisher.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/10/madden-10-for-wii-sold-only-67k-copies-in-august-ea-calls-overa/

IndustryGamers received word from NPD that Madden NFL 10 for Wii -- a game touted as being rebuilt from the ground up for Nintendo's console this year, in part to improve sales -- sold only 67,000 copies in the month of August. In comparison, the PS2 version sold 160K copies, with the Xbox 360 SKU selling the best at 928K. This time last year, the Wii installment of Madden 09 sold ... just about 116K copies.

So in the end, EA improved the game significantly for the Wii platform and ended up selling less then the previous year and less then even the PS2. Sony and MS really need to use this type of stuff against Nintendo, lure developers and publishers away from a platform that wont bring them revenue.

NarcissistZero
09-10-09, 11:22 PM
More proof that the Wii great numbers do not equal great sales for the developer and publisher.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/10/madden-10-for-wii-sold-only-67k-copies-in-august-ea-calls-overa/



So in the end, EA improved the game significantly for the Wii platform and ended up selling less then the previous year and less then even the PS2. Sony and MS really need to use this type of stuff against Nintendo, lure developers and publishers away from a platform that wont bring them revenue.

That's really sad.

And all these Wii owners will complain about lack of AAA games on their system. I think what they mean by AAA games is more Mario and Zelda type games though, rather than actual mature games like Fallout or something.

Mr. Hunt
09-11-09, 12:16 AM
That's really sad.

And all these Wii owners will complain about lack of AAA games on their system. I think what they mean by AAA games is more Mario and Zelda games though, rather than actual mature games like Fallout or something.

Fixed.

NarcissistZero
09-11-09, 12:44 AM
I had to look for it.

I think you're right.

Ninja Prime
09-11-09, 06:11 AM
...And thus the insecure fanbois jack off on each other and rejoice.

"Omg, games not mature, my wang is shrinking!"

NarcissistZero
09-11-09, 06:30 AM
...And thus the insecure fanbois jack off on each other and rejoice.

"Omg, games not mature, my wang is shrinking!"

Well, we know what we like. Why would I be intested in anything else? Obviously the people buying software agree.

Ninja Prime
09-11-09, 03:23 PM
Well, we know what we like. Why would I be intested in anything else? Obviously the people buying software agree.

Yeah, jack off some more, about that one game the console you make love to at night sold.

ViN86
09-11-09, 03:47 PM
Yeah, jack off some more, about that one game the console you make love to at night sold.

Is there a point to what you're saying, or are you just trolling?

|MaguS|
09-11-09, 03:51 PM
Is there a point to what you're saying, or are you just trolling?

Maybe he Just likes thinking about other men jacking off?

NarcissistZero
09-11-09, 04:56 PM
Maybe he Just likes thinking about other men jacking off?

Must be it.

Uncharted and me jack off every night.

ViN86
09-11-09, 05:10 PM
Must be it.

Uncharted and me jack off every night.

That's hawt.

Ninja Prime
09-12-09, 02:48 AM
Is there a point to what you're saying, or are you just trolling?

The point is, fanboys like to point out one game and say "SEE!", when the theres 10 examples on the other system that fanboy vision misses.