NVIDIA to tackle on 28nm with TSMC?

[LydianKnight]

NVIDIA to increase 40nm orders with TSMC for 2009 (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090520PD211/nvidia_to_increase_40nm_orders_with_tsmc_for_2009. html)

NVIDIA has also expressed interest in becoming an initial client of TSMC's 28nm process, which will start initial production in first-quarter 2010

Looks like a good prospect for next year, although I have some doubts about TSMC's capability to deploy 28nm process if they haven't still managed to polish their 40nm process (and supposedly they're getting some help from NVIDIA to refine it, if I remember correctly from previous posts).

Comments? ^_^

[CaptNKILL]

28nm?

:o

Seems like we're almost moving too quickly. It wont be too long before we can't go any smaller and the chips will either get larger or simply stop improving. :o

[LydianKnight]

I suppose when they hit the physical limit, they need to go with the layer stacking way, although they would surely need to dramatically enhance their power level/core or use that technology about the water microchannel layers as a sandwich, if not...

GeForce would end calling itself BeToast (now with grill option included, get yours now!! ^_^)

Now being serious... I guess they will surely go the performance route so at 28nm without changing any architectural bit we would be getting higher clocks, an increase in the core count, or both...

Although frankly speaking... for me the winner option would be a TDP reduction, why the hell can't we have something like the GTX285 with the power consumption of a 9800GT? 110-120W per card is something nice... almost 200W (around 185W for real) is NOT :zombie:

[josiahsuarez]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13833/1/
The 28nm process will mainly be interesting to Nvidia and ATI as they need the fastest transistors and chips that the can get, under the desired TDP but we have a feeling that 28nm graphics from ATI will come exclusively from Globalfoundries.

If they want to play it safe ATI will prepare one chip for Globalfoundries and one for TSMC and we are quite sure that TSMC will fight hard for Nvidia’s attention. If Nvidia goes to Globalfoundries for 28nm graphics and this is very possible especially if Globalfoundries can have better yields and transition, not to mention the price comnetition, TSMC will be in trouble.

Late 2009 and early 2010 will be a time for an interesting manufacturing fight.

quite strange if Nvidia were to make 28nm graphics at an AMD spinoff. although I'm sure GlobalFoundries will take all the business they can get!

[shadow001]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13833/1/


quite strange if Nvidia were to make 28nm graphics at an AMD spinoff. although I'm sure GlobalFoundries will take all the business they can get!


Given that GlobalFoundries is financed with oil money(Abu Dhabi investments),i suspect they don't really have problems getting the latest and best lithography equipement available given the money reserves they have available...It's very much like Intel in that respect.


Now if the GT300 has 2.4 billion transistors at 40nm with a 500mm^ die,that means that a 28nm design with the overall DIE being the same 500mm^,would have just under 4 billion transistors,unless i'm mistaken....Crazy isn't it.

[shadow001]

28nm?

:o

Seems like we're almost moving too quickly. It wont be too long before we can't go any smaller and the chips will either get larger or simply stop improving. :o


Multi GPU?.....It'll likely come to that sooner or later.


Seems the hard limit is 11nm,at which point the gate that allows current to pass from one side of the transistor to the other,is just a couple of atoms wide,so regardless of it being closed or open,the current passes anyhow(leakage).

[InqWoN1776]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13833/1/


quite strange if Nvidia were to make 28nm graphics at an AMD spinoff. although I'm sure GlobalFoundries will take all the business they can get!

Well, Jen-Hsun was actually a microprocessor designer at AMD before co-founding Nvidia... There are several key people that work for Nvidia that came from AMD. They have kept close ties with Nvidia for a long time and at one point AMD was basically relying on Nvidia chipsets to compete with the Intel platform. Although, I understand where you are coming from with the purchase of ATI and their gpu's and chipsets.

[LydianKnight]

... seems the hard limit is 11nm

The future of GlobalFoundries revealed (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/5/26/the-future-of-globalfoundries-revealed.aspx)

According to the first answers in this interview, seems GF is actually researching on nanotechnology (don't know if they really mean something like carbon nanotubes or it's something different), and it starts at 11nm, so maybe when they hit the physical limit using the 'traditional' methods they will change into nanotech... god, I really _ADORE_ technology ^_^

... quite strange if NVIDIA were to make 28nm graphics at an AMD spinoff

I don't think it should be strange at all... companies like NVIDIA or ATI just need the best available technology for their purposes, fidelity means absolutely nothing in that business, where you need the best right when you need it, at least I think it should be like that.

[Atomizer]

According to the first answers in this interview, seems GF is actually researching on nanotechnology (don't know if they really mean something like carbon nanotubes or it's something different), and it starts at 11nm, so maybe when they hit the physical limit using the 'traditional' methods they will change into nanotech... god, I really _ADORE_ technology ^_^

Oh hell yes, cant wait for nanotech in my PC