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Noriega
05-28-09, 11:16 AM
JPR said that the market for PC hardware is so robust that it will actually top the amount of money consumers spend on console gaming hardware (HDTV, accessories and the console itself) by nearly $2 billion this year.
“PC gaming systems seem to have suffered the least discounting [as a result of the recession,] which illustrates the value consumers place on such systems,” JPF said in a statement.

The report split the 'PC gaming hardware' revenues -- actually a percentage of each PC system's revenue based on the consumer's wish to play games on it -- into three areas: Enthusiast, Performance, and Mainstream for both desktop and the newly emerging notebook category.

It was designed to outline the distribution of branded sales (HP, Alienware, etc), non branded ("White box"), aftermarket component sales and DIY sales, as well as peripheral sales of gaming components.

Game playing-specific PC market sales based on the the consumer's gaming predilection -- which includes a percentage for the monitor, accessories and the PC itself – reached $20.07 billion in 2008, JPR found. The firm expects sales to decline 7 percent in 2009 to $18.66 billion in 2009.

JPR said that PC gaming continues to do relatively well despite the recession because “people are staying home more, less movies, less dinners out, postponed vacations, and turning to other forms of entertainment. PC gaming is a very economical form of entertainment. A $50 game can provide hundreds of hours of play, and it's not uncommon for players to replay a game.”

The firm added, “Also, purchases of a PC for gaming can be shared since the machine can be used for watching (and creating) videos, as well as office work and web browsing, something consoles can't offer.”

yeah PC is dying, right

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 11:28 AM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

Noriega
05-28-09, 12:09 PM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

:headexplode:

MaxFX
05-28-09, 12:38 PM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

Bla bla bla who dident knew that you would step right in BOI :D

MaxFX
05-28-09, 12:40 PM
:headexplode:

He just like a damn record, think we dont know anything so he just go on and on and on ;)

ViN86
05-28-09, 01:18 PM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

Also console game prices are regulated more. Why spend all the time on PC to sell 1 million copies at $40 a piece when you can sell more copies at $60 a piece? Granted MS/Sony take a cut of that, but still it generates more revenues.

Noriega
05-28-09, 02:25 PM
Also console game prices are regulated more. Why spend all the time on PC to sell 1 million copies at $40 a piece when you can sell more copies at $60 a piece? Granted MS/Sony take a cut of that, but still it generates more revenues.

Another faggot. Go read first than post. Developer got less money from console game than the same game but in Pc version. Publishing and producing PC game costs are much lower and you don't need to pay tax for MS and Sony. MS and Sony propaganda is making **** with your heads.

You are all about numbers and proud? aren't ya? Mass produced dreams by whoose got the biggest the most powerfull the uber best piece of plastic under their HDTVs. Bunch of little kids with whos got cooler bike, I got headache caused by your shouting.

fizzelopeguss
05-28-09, 02:55 PM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

It's interesting that you said halo 3 and not killzone 2. lulz!
Also, crysis...made by crytek, who are rapidly expanding and just bought a UK based CONSOLE developer after their ps3 exclusive failed to recoup production costs.

Also console game prices are regulated more. Why spend all the time on PC to sell 1 million copies at $40 a piece when you can sell more copies at $60 a piece? Granted MS/Sony take a cut of that, but still it generates more revenues.

"next gen" consoles are losing developers and publishers vast amounts of money. When EA of all companies is posting loss after loss then something is very wrong.

rudedog
05-28-09, 03:08 PM
Just remember what devs took care of their PC gaming customers and did not consolize their game to make a quick buck when the cycle comes back around.

I'm not saying PC customers are any better then console customers. Hell, console customers should want the same thing. If you're going to sell me a product then support the damn thing, I could care less if you made X more $$ on Y platform you sold me something now show some respect.

Sorry grumpy today ......

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 03:47 PM
Another faggot. Go read first than post. Developer got less money from console game than the same game but in Pc version. Publishing and producing PC game costs are much lower and you don't need to pay tax for MS and Sony. MS and Sony propaganda is making **** with your heads.

You are all about numbers and proud? aren't ya? Mass produced dreams by whoose got the biggest the most powerfull the uber best piece of plastic under their HDTVs. Bunch of little kids with whos got cooler bike, I got headache caused by your shouting.

You should read the article yourself before posting...
Game playing-specific PC market sales based on the the consumer's gaming predilection -- which includes a percentage for the monitor, accessories and the PC itself – reached $20.07 billion in 2008, JPR found. The firm expects sales to decline 7 percent in 2009 to $18.66 billion in 2009.

The profits they are claiming are including EVERYTHING PC Based, from monitors to the entire PC Unit. It is not a fair comparison... If you included HDTV Sales in with console sales it would be bigger but Console numbers only include actual console software/hardware sales. Again your comparing a smaller industry to a much much larger one.

fizzelopeguss, EA and every other major publisher has not announced any loss... just that they made less then they expected, never have they gone into the Red. Activisions Net Revenue for 2008 was almost double that of 2007... yeah im sure their hurting... If nextgen consoles were losing developers and publishers so much money they wouldn't support the platforms but their doing the opposite, they are increasing their support... Grow a brain...

Oh and crytek bought a company that failed with an exclusive that wasn't good... yeah... lets all buy failures, thats a winning business strategy. Free Radical is a developer caught in the past, they couldn't adapt to the new generation of game design and programming... if you played Hazed you would see how old the game looked even though it was released just last year.

Oh and another about Crytek... Their next game is going console... that says alot of where they see their own future. So don't pretend that they are PC's Golden Knight.

MaxFX, You are correct... I do think you know nothing. You all keep spouting stupid comments and posting stupid things. Like the opening post... it's an article on something that didn't need to be discussed since we knew it already. The PC Market is bigger then the Console Market.

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 03:50 PM
Just remember what devs took care of their PC gaming customers and did not consolize their game to make a quick buck when the cycle comes back around.

I'm not saying PC customers are any better then console customers. Hell, console customers should want the same thing. If you're going to sell me a product then support the damn thing, I could care less if you made X more $$ on Y platform you sold me something now show some respect.

Sorry grumpy today ......

I think Developers are taking care of their customers as best as they can. Games in general are starting to cost alot. Patching and adding free content does not generate revenue and help with their next game development. It has come down to big publishers funding development so they get only so much resources to spread around.

But look at games like Call of Duty, Burnout and Halo (or other popular online games), I think they are supported great and possibly as good as past titles.

Noriega
05-28-09, 04:28 PM
You should read the article yourself before posting...


The profits they are claiming are including EVERYTHING PC Based, from monitors to the entire PC Unit. It is not a fair comparison... If you included HDTV Sales in with console sales it would be bigger but Console numbers only include actual console software/hardware sales. Again your comparing a smaller industry to a much much larger one.

fizzelopeguss, EA and every other major publisher has not announced any loss... just that they made less then they expected, never have they gone into the Red. Activisions Net Revenue for 2008 was almost double that of 2007... yeah im sure their hurting... If nextgen consoles were losing developers and publishers so much money they wouldn't support the platforms but their doing the opposite, they are increasing their support... Grow a brain...

Oh and crytek bought a company that failed with an exclusive that wasn't good... yeah... lets all buy failures, thats a winning business strategy. Free Radical is a developer caught in the past, they couldn't adapt to the new generation of game design and programming... if you played Hazed you would see how old the game looked even though it was released just last year.

Oh and another about Crytek... Their next game is going console... that says alot of where they see their own future. So don't pretend that they are PC's Golden Knight.

MaxFX, You are correct... I do think you know nothing. You all keep spouting stupid comments and posting stupid things. Like the opening post... it's an article on something that didn't need to be discussed since we knew it already. The PC Market is bigger then the Console Market.


You fu*** troll did you ever red what I post here?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/carlos57775/SCobc6EL_hI/AAAAAAAABys/RG0y66Z3ZDY/s288/Don%27t%20feed%20the%20troll.jpg

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 04:39 PM
And that is why no one cares what you say... You can't actually converse with anyone regarding this topic without acting like a tool. Grow up alittle...

Seriously, Why post a topic and then start insulting someone when they say something that you don't agree with or argue with them without an actually reasoning to back you up. You post a topic and then start spouting "**** YOU!" or " TROLL! Read what I posted" when I clearly did and clearly did not agree with what you psoted but insted of countering my arguement you go off like a Tourette's suffering 10 year old.

MaxFX
05-28-09, 04:45 PM
You fu*** troll did you ever red what I post here?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/carlos57775/SCobc6EL_hI/AAAAAAAABys/RG0y66Z3ZDY/s288/Don%27t%20feed%20the%20troll.jpg

Obviosly the duchebag dident, when did he ever listening to others then himself.
The dude's an idiot and never say anything possitive to anyone EVER!
Well hes a RETARD so what can one expect!

The world are full of idiots that thinks im the greatest ever, well small mind think small and only lives for one thing and we all know what he lives for.
TROLL get out of here and get a life Magus, NO one likes you and I surely think that everyone at your work things the same!

fizzelopeguss
05-28-09, 05:14 PM
Activisions Net Revenue for 2008 was almost double that of 2007... yeah im sure their hurting... activision aquired blizzard at the end of 07.

If nextgen consoles were losing developers and publishers so much money they wouldn't support the platforms but their doing the opposite, they are increasing their support... Grow a brain... they don't have a choice, the tech and expertise that they've sunk into 360/PS3 development is worthless on the wii.

Oh and another about Crytek... Their next game is going console... that says alot of where they see their own future. So don't pretend that they are PC's Golden Knight.

lol, it was you who brought up crysis in your troll post. You were implying that crysis sold poorly (with 1 month sales figures, versus halo3's LTD?) when infact the game has allowed crytek to expand quite rapidly. I also find it unlikely that Sony and MS will be bundling crysis 2 with their consoles the way GPU manufacturers have with cryteks past games.

It'd be a shame if crytek neglects a market that has been very good to them over the years to search for a quick console buck that may or may not be there for them.

The PC Market is bigger then the Console Market.

Yup, so what was all the trolling for then?

Toss3
05-28-09, 05:15 PM
More computers in the world then the entire lifespan of console gaming... what did you expect? They are comparing general computer hardware aswell as PC Gaming hardware vs just console....

Now lets look at sales figures for actual software... 1 Million Crysis sold vs 8 million Halo 3's...

PC Gaming isn't dying, but rather losing primary focus from developers due to them migrating where the money is at.

I don't get why people always bring Crysis into the equation when comparing the number of sales between systems - half-life 2 would be a much more logical choice(at least when comparing a PC game to well-known titles such as Halo3). Crytek also aren't switching to consoles exclusively - they're just branching out to get more fruits from their labor just like Valve did with the orange box.

I bet that the PC version of the next Crysis is still going to sell the best even though the game is going to be available on all platforms. ;)

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 05:26 PM
Yup, so what was all the trolling for then?

All I said was that it was not a fair comparison when you bring hardware into it. It's alot better comparing software.

Toss3, HL2 was released on multiple platforms. I brought up Crysis since its the most recent big AAA PC Exclusive... I guess we can mention Killzone 2 or Metal Gear Solid 5 which also outsold it (and they was on a platform with alot smaller reach).

Toss3
05-28-09, 05:52 PM
All I said was that it was not a fair comparison when you bring hardware into it. It's alot better comparing software.

Toss3, HL2 was released on multiple platforms. I brought up Crysis since its the most recent big AAA PC Exclusive... I guess we can mention Killzone 2 or Metal Gear Solid 5 which also outsold it (and they was on a platform with alot smaller reach).

I know Half-Life 2 was released on multiple platforms, but still it is one of the best selling pc-games ever(easily outselling most of the console exclusives). An MGs 4 to crysis comparison is almost as flawed as one comparing it to Halo3 - comparing Crysis to Killzone 2 on the other hand is much more on the money, but still flawed as Killzone 2 was playable on all consoles while crysis wasn't playable on almost any PC. Do you think Killzone 2 would have sold as many copies as it did if it contained a bug that made it unplayable on most PS3s?

My point was just that there is a lot of money to be made in the PC games industry and the few quality titles we have gotten prove it. Multiplatform is still the best way for a developer to get the most out of their titles though.

saturnotaku
05-28-09, 06:12 PM
I know Half-Life 2 was released on multiple platforms, but still it is one of the best selling pc-games ever(easily outselling most of the console exclusives). An MGs 4 to crysis comparison is almost as flawed as one comparing it to Halo3 - comparing Crysis to Killzone 2 on the other hand is much more on the money, but still flawed as Killzone 2 was playable on all consoles while crysis wasn't playable on almost any PC. Do you think Killzone 2 would have sold as many copies as it did if it contained a bug that made it unplayable on most PS3s?

Your argument makes no sense. How is it more valid to compare Crysis to Killzone 2 rather than to Halo 3?

|MaguS|
05-28-09, 06:15 PM
Do you think Killzone 2 would have sold as many copies as it did if it contained a bug that made it unplayable on most PS3s?

My point was just that there is a lot of money to be made in the PC games industry and the few quality titles we have gotten prove it. Multiplatform is still the best way for a developer to get the most out of their titles though.

So because a developer made a game for the smallest majority it cant be compared to another game of the same genre? Sorry, Crytek made the excuse that a $500 PC can play Crysis...

But that is the problem with PC Gaming is that it went from any PC owner can play PC Games to only the ones who buy a PC Specifically for Gaming are able to play games. That is what is hurting the PC Industry and why developers know they must go console aswell to be successful. PC Gaming is becoming to narrow now thanks to all the cheap POS Computers on the market. Once Nvidia, Intel and ATI create a low end PC GPU that can play all current gen games at a reasonable setting then you will see PC Gaming rise to the glory it use to be, as it stands now it is the second thought of most developers because as they see it then can make alot more money on consoles.

Toss3
05-28-09, 06:40 PM
Your argument makes no sense. How is it more valid to compare Crysis to Killzone 2 rather than to Halo 3?

Well for one Halo is the one of the largest gamefranchises in the world while Crysis was an unknown title to most people. Killzone 2 and Crysis on the other hand have much more in common; they both sold on the same premises that they both offered the best graphics on each platform.

I can't see how people can't see the differences between the two - it's like comparing a Ferrari to a VW Beetle for crying out loud(crysis here being the Ferrari). :o