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NeoGeo
07-29-02, 09:46 AM
has anyone heard much about Abts new serial ata motherboard? Abit have the IT7-Max 2 out, which basically just adds a black PCB and serial ata. Serial ATA is supposed to rock, but I've never seen a serial ata hard drive for sale!!

PCarr78
07-29-02, 09:49 AM
I want a REAL s-ata RAID controller

SavagePaladin
07-29-02, 10:05 AM
the products aren't really out yet, I'm waiting for em....IDE is a pain in the ass :|

NeoGeo
07-29-02, 10:07 AM
goto www.abit.com.tw you will find the new Serial ATA board on their, but yeah i dont think the hard drives are out yet...

PCarr78
07-29-02, 10:14 AM
They are not, and they may not be for a while.

Matthyahuw
07-29-02, 11:03 AM
There is one SATA HDD out now (or will shortly be out), but it's from some manufacturer no one's ever heard of, and I don't think anyone's willing to take a risk like that jumping on some unknown company's drive...

PCarr78
07-29-02, 12:38 PM
Cant be worse than IBM drives, can it?

SavagePaladin
07-29-02, 08:30 PM
Seagate is bringing one out this fall, I'll be tempted to pick it up (Seagate Barracuda V, with 8 megs cache :) )

PCarr78
07-29-02, 08:41 PM
Will it use fluid bearings?

Ive used a fujitsu drive with those.

REALLY quiet drive... even at seek

NeoGeo
07-29-02, 08:43 PM
any idea of the performance from that ? gotta be quite a beast surely :D

PCarr78
07-29-02, 08:47 PM
It won't be much better than today's 7200rpm ata-100 or 133 drives.

NeoGeo
07-29-02, 08:52 PM
whys that then!? the Abit board out with the serial ata support provides upto 1.5Gbits/sec bandwidth! thats quite a bit!!!

PCarr78
07-29-02, 09:03 PM
Thats gigabits

150-200 MB/s BURST

HDDs can BARELY burst ar 70MB/s

NeoGeo
07-29-02, 09:05 PM
so what advantage will serial ata give? surely its gotta show a performance increase?? :confused:

PCarr78
07-29-02, 09:09 PM
There will be a small increase.

The main advantage RIGHT NOW is no cable clutter/ better airflow. Alslo, data transfer over s/ata is more reliable.

The BIG gains are to be had in the FUTURE though.

Now, we have s/ata 150

Later there will be s/ata 300 an even 600!

(!!) :eek:

SavagePaladin
07-29-02, 09:20 PM
I've seen drives burst at higher...don't remember which, though.
The point of serial ATA is its easier to use (better cables, no jumpers,) more upgradable (the 300 and 600 bit,) and more reliable (the error control.)
____
ahem, kaerf control in aisle 1 please

PCarr78
07-29-02, 09:24 PM
Still nowhere near 150, or 100 for that matter.

At least 7200 rpm drives

SavagePaladin
07-29-02, 09:33 PM
It'll get there. I have no doubt about that.

StealthHawk
07-29-02, 09:33 PM
yup, harddrives need to get a whole lot faster. the day when 7200RPM hd's become lowend will be a boon for us all :)

PCarr78
07-29-02, 09:46 PM
Think of the NOISE

StealthHawk
07-29-02, 10:04 PM
they've made great strides with 10000+RPM IDE drives in the noise category. i doubt the noise could bother me much in any case. especially when i live near people who blast their music.

NeoGeo
07-29-02, 10:07 PM
wack all the extra fans on in my pc and u wouldnt hear a 15,00 rpm scsi drive :) then wack on a decent mp3 and you forget the pcs even on!!

Essense
07-30-02, 02:19 AM
Hard drive's have become much much faster though, if you think about it. A 5400 RPM hard drive today will outperform just about any 7200 RPM drive released a year or two ago. I think the key lies more with Data Density rather then RPM"s. Or solid state hard drives. Once we start getting hard drives with 100+GB platters, then we'll be talkin. Also lots more cache wouldent be a bad thing.

Regards,
Mike

PsychoSy
07-30-02, 04:53 AM
Another thing about SATA, as I understand, is they can not be slaved. Period. Only one drive per channel. But that shouldn't be a problem as I'm sure mainboard manufactures will ship their boards with 4 seperate SATA ports. :D :p :cool:

StealthHawk
07-30-02, 06:48 AM
eh? one drive per channel :mad: that's ludicrous man!