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a12ctic
06-05-09, 09:09 AM
Am I the only one that is incredibly impressed with microsoft and what they're doing with Windows 7?

For a long time I had very little respect for microsoft. With the introduction of the Windows 7 beta cycle, this has completely changed. Traditionally I've felt like Microsoft generally leaves the enthusiest crowd in the dark, however, I feel like this is not the case at all for windows 7. I have receaved pleasant emails from MS, I've been given the oppurtinity to test one of the first MS products suitible for my daily use, and I've actually enjoyed using Windows 7.

Anyway, its been a really nice experience. I've been using Windows 7 happily for a few months. I still use Linux on all my other box's. I actually think that I will purchase W7 when it comes out.

Good job microsoft.

Sean_W
06-05-09, 09:26 AM
I'm surprised at you a12ctic, we don't use Windows not because it's maybe good but because if their restrictions, licences and ways. Windows 7 doesn't change any of that.

To me on a desktop point of view, it doesn't offer anything more KDE4.2/4.3 does. I'm not a gamer now days, I like to get more constructive stuff done and I can do that with Linux. Windows 7 offers me nothing than what I already have.

saturnotaku
06-05-09, 09:37 AM
I'm surprised at you a12ctic, we don't use Windows not because it's maybe good but because if their restrictions, licences and ways. Windows 7 doesn't change any of that.

To me on a desktop point of view, it doesn't offer anything more KDE4.2/4.3 does. I'm not a gamer now days, I like to get more constructive stuff done and I can do that with Linux. Windows 7 offers me nothing than what I already have.

Then back to the Linux forum with you.

http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/raid_can.jpg

Toss3
06-05-09, 09:51 AM
Then back to the Linux forum with you.

http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/raid_can.jpg

ROFL

I can't say I agree with you A12ctic as windows 7 is pretty much Windows Vista in a different disguise, I mean it doesn't bring anything new to the table and it appears as if microsoft is once again catering for the mainstream crowd before the enthusiasts(can't stop windows from installing wdm drivers for my hardware). They've also removed the option of installing your own codecs on the OS and the ridiculous amount of windows Updates speaks for itself.

Windows 7 is by no means a bad OS and is one of best out-of-the-box stable Windows:es ever, but I just fail to see how they've catered to the enthusiasts by removing options and simplifying the whole thing.

a12ctic
06-05-09, 10:24 AM
ROFL

I can't say I agree with you A12ctic as windows 7 is pretty much Windows Vista in a different disguise, I mean it doesn't bring anything new to the table and it appears as if microsoft is once again catering for the mainstream crowd before the enthusiasts(can't stop windows from installing wdm drivers for my hardware). They've also removed the option of installing your own codecs on the OS and the ridiculous amount of windows Updates speaks for itself.

Windows 7 is by no means a bad OS and is one of best out-of-the-box stable Windows:es ever, but I just fail to see how they've catered to the enthusiasts by removing options and simplifying the whole thing.

I guess I'm just not used to MS products feeling so complete and smooth. The desktop experience is just so much more fluid than anything pre-W7.

That being said, I still believe in the philosophy behind Linux. Its just nice to be able to play games and not completely dread using Windows while my rig is still pretty capable. Hopefully by the time it starts to get dated the ATI open source drivers will be further along then they are now.

Rakeesh
06-05-09, 11:18 AM
While linux is a great os that has many uses, one thing it isn't is a desktop OS, plain and simple. Google describes it best:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/hands-on-google-chromium-browser-alpha-for-linux.ars

Google Chrome developer Ben Goodger expressed frustration with Linux user interface toolkits and commented that the platform's lack of consistency makes it difficult to know what to target.

"First of all let me generally comment that this entire situation is a clusterf*ck. I am not happy with the technical constraints imposed by Linux and its assorted UIs on Chrome's UI and feature set," he wrote. "There isn't dominant consensus around toolkit and HIG, there seems to be variance in commonly used software as to how it's constructed and what it matches, and I've not heard anyone glow about how they can create the coolest looking UIs with GTK."

nekrosoft13
06-05-09, 11:39 AM
While linux is a great os that has many uses, one thing it isn't is a desktop OS, plain and simple. Google describes it best:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/hands-on-google-chromium-browser-alpha-for-linux.ars

and that is the problem with open-source, everyone creates his/her version and all it does create more confusion

nekrosoft13
06-05-09, 11:44 AM
Am I the only one that is incredibly impressed with microsoft and what they're doing with Windows 7?

For a long time I had very little respect for microsoft. With the introduction of the Windows 7 beta cycle, this has completely changed. Traditionally I've felt like Microsoft generally leaves the enthusiest crowd in the dark, however, I feel like this is not the case at all for windows 7. I have receaved pleasant emails from MS, I've been given the oppurtinity to test one of the first MS products suitible for my daily use, and I've actually enjoyed using Windows 7.

Anyway, its been a really nice experience. I've been using Windows 7 happily for a few months. I still use Linux on all my other box's. I actually think that I will purchase W7 when it comes out.

Good job microsoft.

i agree that win7 is good, but there really isn't much new. seen it all with vista sp1.

mailman2
06-05-09, 12:06 PM
Am I the only one that is incredibly impressed with microsoft and what they're doing with Windows 7?

No, but welcome to 6 months ago.

Alot of us have been going from build to build, Windows 7 is amazing. Nothing like the POS predecessor we've all grown to hate. The V word will be a thing of the past. 7 rocks.

mailman2
06-05-09, 12:07 PM
i agree that win7 is good, but there really isn't much new. seen it all with vista sp1.

Everything works. What else "new" do you need? :D

Yaboze
06-05-09, 12:10 PM
10/22 can't come fast enough but RC is rocking for now.

Sean_W
06-05-09, 12:13 PM
While linux is a great os that has many uses, one thing it isn't is a desktop OS, plain and simple. Google describes it best:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/hands-on-google-chromium-browser-alpha-for-linux.ars

Well they were the ones who picked GTK+. This is just inexperience kicking in here and I've never seen OpenSource developers saying such things.

It's like saying 'I've just built a house on the moon. I designed it for earth but it just doesn't fit well on the moon and it's surroundings'.

It seems even people with such resources and money like Google they can't knuckle down and just do it without whining. Just look at their browser, it looks like something straight out of XP, other web browsers for linux DEs actually fit into the rest of the desktop environment.

nekrosoft13
06-05-09, 12:45 PM
10/22 can't come fast enough but RC is rocking for now.

RTM supposed to happen around late July/early August

LydianKnight
06-05-09, 02:36 PM
I'm also waiting for Windows 7 to use it ^_^

I still use Linux on all my other box's.

Linux is a great operating system, but depends what you're going to use it for. Would be great if it could be using for gaming, because just for using it as a media player or a secure web browsing and communication platform isn't just enough...

I just want a system where I can use MSN, some web browsing, and essentially gaming (among the usual dose of photoshoping and video editing), try to do that with Linux and you'll find... Pidgin for Linux, with its team of incompetent developers who say openly 'I never had a webcam' because they're just not interested in implementing its support?

No matter Linux is mainly fed by a group of enthusiasts and volunteers... if you want a good system, you have to put some heavy work on it, and you can't bear the usual answer aka 'if you don't like it, implement yourself'...

And the number 1 app-killer... dozens of different libraries to implement the same (like XML, SSL sockets and the like)... at least Windows has a unified architecture...

So every OS has it's good and bad points, but like you, I'm waiting for Windows 7 to make my day ^_^

ViN86
06-05-09, 06:38 PM
Am I the only one that is incredibly impressed with microsoft and what they're doing with Windows 7?

For a long time I had very little respect for microsoft. With the introduction of the Windows 7 beta cycle, this has completely changed. Traditionally I've felt like Microsoft generally leaves the enthusiest crowd in the dark, however, I feel like this is not the case at all for windows 7. I have receaved pleasant emails from MS, I've been given the oppurtinity to test one of the first MS products suitible for my daily use, and I've actually enjoyed using Windows 7.

Anyway, its been a really nice experience. I've been using Windows 7 happily for a few months. I still use Linux on all my other box's. I actually think that I will purchase W7 when it comes out.

Good job microsoft.

Sure it's good but I am not really impressed. I mean, it's Windows 6.1. It's what Vista should have been. And to be honest, it's probably what Vista could be if they just did a massive update. Hell, all the driver packages run on Windows 7 lol.

nekrosoft13
06-05-09, 06:42 PM
vista after botox and face lift ;)

Drolfrawd
06-05-09, 07:06 PM
Then back to the Linux forum with you.

http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/raid_can.jpg

Very nice, nice laugh there

Greg
06-05-09, 11:06 PM
...Alot of us have been going from build to build, Windows 7 is amazing. Nothing like the POS predecessor we've all grown to hate. The V word will be a thing of the past. 7 rocks.
I have a serious question for you, not flame bait...

Can you please describe what it is about Win7 that you love so much more than Vista?
The obvious features to me are:
1) Improved user interface for the Shell (Windows Explorer, Task Bar, some Control Panel tools).
2) Reduced security prompts.
Beyond these, I struggle to find compelling features. I am keen to hear why other people say effectively that Win7 rocks while Visa sucks. Once again, this is a serious question, so please feel free to reply with a few points in note form.

mailman2
06-05-09, 11:43 PM
I have a serious question for you, not flame bait...

Can you please describe what it is about Win7 that you love so much more than Vista?
The obvious features to me are:
1) Improved user interface for the Shell (Windows Explorer, Task Bar, some Control Panel tools).
2) Reduced security prompts.
Beyond these, I struggle to find compelling features. I am keen to hear why other people say effectively that Win7 rocks while Visa sucks. Once again, this is a serious question, so please feel free to reply with a few points in note form.

Vista in its current form (SP2) still feels more beta than Windows 7. The performance and reliability history shows my Vista installs on 2 PC rating around 4 continuosly due to the "windows explorer has stopped responding" errors that have increased since SP2 was installed. Also, other application crashes from Firefox and IE8 don't help its case. I've never had a reliability rating above a 6 for any amount of time.

On the other hand, the same hardware in Windows 7 has yet to have any serious crashes - even with leaked betas. However a few applications may still require install in Compatibility mode.

A few real pros for Windows 7:
I have a laptop with a P4 2.4Ghz CPU and maxed ram of 1GB. Vista barely ran on that machine. Windows 7 screams. Memory usage at idle drops into the 200MBs.

I have a Asus EEE PC 900a with 2GB ram and 16GB SSD. Again, Windows 7 runs wonderfully on this machine.

Windows 7 will replace XP on machines that cannot handle Vista - this is a big selling point for Windows 7 that Vista could never claim. Vista needs alot more resources to run smoothly.

I installed Windows 7 on my sisters PC she had an older printer and scanner. The compatilbility wizard in Windows 7 was able to determine and successfully install both - keep in mind neither of these devices have had drivers for any OS since Windows XP. Neither worked in Vista btw.

I could go on, there are alot of reasons for me that solidify my belief that Windows 7 will be very successful and very accepted. Hopefully that helps.

Greg
06-06-09, 04:02 AM
...
Ok, thanks for responding. I think you are saying:
o Win7 is more stable than Vista, particularly with Windows Explorer and browser apps.
o Win7 shell runs faster or smoother. (I presume due to interface or scheduling improvements as app benchmarks show no speed increase.)
o Win7 minimum requirements are lower than Vista allowing use on lower spec hardware.
o Win7 ships with more supporting drivers, or driver detection is improved. (Surprising since Win7 is newer while using 95% same driver model as Vista.)

Fair enough. I'm happy to listen and accept your experience with the product. I did add some comments in brackets.

Just for your interest (in case you wonder about my bias or thoughts) my Vista experience has been fine except for a wireless network compatibility issue (with a motherboard of all things, caused network speed of a few bytes per second). Vista has been highly stable, only reboot to update drivers and otherwise run for weeks at a time. Win7 interface improvements are great. I am concerned about the crippling of security and hope there is an option to dial up to Vista standards. I think casual users will have a hard time understanding file system and OS security management issues for both OSes. I'm amazed how MS can turn a boring think like an operating system into a desirable piece of retail software.

Sean_W
06-06-09, 05:02 AM
Then back to the Linux forum with you.

http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/raid_can.jpg

hahaha, If you can't say it in words, use a picture. This is what kids do. (nana2)

I'll just watch you fight amongst yourselves, which usually happens.

Mr Bigman
06-06-09, 02:04 PM
I hink this 7 is a god send for vista users.

I haven't really had any issues with Vista but now with sp2 it seems to revert back to its origans like presp1.

I sear if i wasn't thinking, thats Conroejoe. His constant Vista Rants are that of Conroes.

We thought you moved in with Balmer.

Toss3
06-07-09, 12:40 PM
I hink this 7 is a god send for vista users.

Why is that?

To everyone: why do you find the new taskbar better than the old one?

nekrosoft13
06-07-09, 12:59 PM
i hate the new taskbar

Mr Bigman
06-07-09, 01:04 PM
It reminds me of something in a linux distro.

I love how you hover over the items open and they bring up a more indebt preview for that item shaw.