Larrabee might be delayed to Summer 2011

[Ancient76]

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-larrabee-might-be-delayed-to-summer-2011/

You know, this again is a rumor and it surfaced at the premises of Tom's Hardware so we can't vouch for it. They speculate that the up and coming Intel Larrabee GPU would go to market summer 2011, and thus is delayed big-time. No apparent reason is given for this though.

Also we noticed that the Larrabee GPU would measure a whopping 971 square millimeters if the chip was to be produced at 45nm. To get you an idea, you guys know how big NVIDIA's GT200 series GPUs are right ? Well, this would make the chip about 65 percent bigger than NVIDIA's GT200 (GTX 260/275/285).

As such it might be the case that Larrabee is to be made on a 32nm process and that would shrink the chip's size to around 650mm².

So that's two years from now ... by that time GPU's from NVIDIA and ATI will have become factor 2 to 4 faster than they now are.

Now that's BIG :)

[LydianKnight]

Unfortunately, seems like NVIDIA is also re-designing some of their coming GPUs, by this article (although I'd take it with a grain of salt (or two, or three...)):

NVIDIA won't have DX11 cards until H1 2010 (http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14104/1/)

We wouldn't even expect it to happen all that soon, as our understanding is that Nvidia is busy re-working a lot of its planned GPUs. From what we were told, TSMC is the source of this leak, as they've been talking to various people in the business and said that Nvidia won't have any DirectX 11 parts this year and not even early next year.

A lot doesn't necessarily mean their new coming flagship GPU is going to be delayed, but by the reading of this, and if I were to take this a true, I could suspect either of these is happening:

1. They have some bugs in the design and they'll need a new tape-out (A2?)
2. They're adding some more power to the designs so they can have higher clocks?
3. The ammount of leaks with TSMC process are so horrible they're now using GlobalFoundries design libraries to prepare in the event of a needed migration?

Comments? :P

Julio

[Buio]

Lots of rumors, we will have to wait and see I guess.

If it would be true, things do look good for ATI.

[josiahsuarez]

if all that is true ATI is in for a very merry xmas :-O

[CaptNKILL]

Damn.

This could be the 9700 Pro all over again if ATI can get their next card out with no competition for 6 months or more.

As long as the drivers are up to snuff anyways...

[Dreamweavernoob]

This could be the 9700 Pro all over again
http://www.esharez.info/imgs/signature_deepthakur.jpg

Sir, you were pipped to the posts by the cptn

[jolle]

Sir, you were pipped to the posts by the cptn
Think that´s some kind of bot.
Seen people repeate parts of other peoples posts before, without qoutes, and with sub 5 post counts.
followed by a smiley, check the other posts from that user.. hehe

[Ancient76]

Damn.

This could be the 9700 Pro all over again if ATI can get their next card out with no competition for 6 months or more.

As long as the drivers are up to snuff anyways...

Not even close :)

Can we even compare GT300 to RV870 and expect to be released in the same time? BTW, i'm certainly not going to change my card. Today almost every game is multiplatform, so even G80 is adequate.

[AirRaid]

This makes no sense.

Larrabee was meant to be on 65nm or 45nm in 2009, but got pushed to H1 2010 so that it could be fabbed on 45nm or 32nm. Even if the first Larrabee is on 45nm in early 2010, certainly by mid or late 2010 they could have 32nm Larrabee chips, why a delay until summer 2011 just to get to 32nm?

[Fotis]

Didn't believe from the start that Intel could so easily take a shot at the top! Oh well,more competition would be great...

[josiahsuarez]

This makes no sense.

Larrabee was meant to be on 65nm or 45nm in 2009, but got pushed to H1 2010 so that it could be fabbed on 45nm or 32nm. Even if the first Larrabee is on 45nm in early 2010, certainly by mid or late 2010 they could have 32nm Larrabee chips, why a delay until summer 2011 just to get to 32nm?

the rumors say that it's a software issue. the hardware is done, or at least Larrabee wafers have been shown for awhile now

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14263/34/
Larrabee is 2010
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 09:43

Software / driver issues


Our well informed sources have confirmed that Intel's highly anticipated graphics project codenamed Larrabee will be delayed to 2010. The original timeframe was late 2009, but we are very certain that it won’t find its way to retail shelves or OEM systems in this year.

It all indicates that the project will launch in 2010, most likely in 1H of 2010 if we don't see any further delays and we've heard that software support and drivers are the number one reason of this delay.

[slaWter]

Damn.

This could be the 9700 Pro all over again if ATI can get their next card out with no competition for 6 months or more.

As long as the drivers are up to snuff anyways...

I'm still not going to buy one after my 4870X2 fiasco. Had my fair share of ATI drivers problems for a while...

[Xion X2]

I'm still not going to buy one after my 4870X2 fiasco. Had my fair share of ATI drivers problems for a while...

+1

[hell_of_doom227]

Nvidia is the best out there in my book.

[hell_of_doom227]

Damn.

This could be the 9700 Pro all over again if ATI can get their next card out with no competition for 6 months or more.

As long as the drivers are up to snuff anyways...

I guess they would have fastest DX10.0 video card but DX11.0 far from being used.

[Heinz68]

Nvidia is the best out there in my book.
You're reading the same book over and over again.

I'm still not going to buy one after my 4870X2 fiasco. Had my fair share of ATI drivers problems for a while...
slaWter your share of problems with ATI drivers was about 24 hours experience with 4870 x2. The problem according to you was not being able to get 1080p on your TV. There are plenty of fixes for that plus some people also have same problem with NVIDIA drivers.

Funny than you have Xion x2 plus one it, this after having about zillion posts about the 4870 x2 and ATI drivers being great.

[Xion X2]

You're reading the same book over and over again.


slaWter your share of problems with ATI drivers was about 24 hours experience with 4870 x2. The problem according to you was not being able to get 1080p on your TV. There are plenty of fixes for that plus some people also have same problem with NVIDIA drivers.

Funny than you have Xion x2 plus one it, this after having about zillion posts about the 4870 x2 and ATI drivers being great.

Quit crying at every mention of something negative said about ATI. This is an Nvidia forum for f*^# sake; you should expect it.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9344/babycrying.gif (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/babycrying.gif/)

And, just to comment on this:

slaWter your share of problems with ATI drivers was about 24 hours experience with 4870 x2. The problem according to you was not being able to get 1080p on your TV. There are plenty of fixes for that plus some people also have same problem with NVIDIA drivers.

ATI seems to have issues w/ 1080p scaling. I have a 1080p like Slawter, and I also had issues with Crossfire before in getting it to scale properly back when I had my two 4870X2s and just recently with two 4890s. No matter what I tried, it would default to single card unless I hooked up a standard monitor. I tried lots of "fixes" and posted in the driver section over on Rage3D asking for help. None came. The solution at the time was to use a standard monitor to game on which I was lucky to have a spare 1920x1200 around at the time to use. On a standard monitor, games scaled just fine. But I'd rather use my 46" 1080p for gaming, not a 24" monitor.

Heinz, your suspicions are ludicrous. There are lots of people who have owned both ATI and Nvidia and have the unique perspective to be able to comment on both sets of drivers based on their own experiences. You should just quit talking down to these sorts of individuals because it reflects badly on your character. You come off as nothing but an ATI shill who thinks they can do no wrong. You're awfully smug by calling us liars both directly and indirectly. If you don't have any driver issues, that's fine. But don't accuse someone else of lying just because you don't or haven't read it in every review published on the web.

I have owned more ATI cards over the years than I have Nvidia cards. I would've liked to have kept my 4890s, but they're useless to me if I can't get them to scale in Crossfire on my 1080p because that's what I bought this display for in the first place.

ATI definitely has the better hardware, in my opinion, but their drivers still need work. If they can get their drivers on par with Nvidia's, then I will gladly switch back to them. But they have some work to do.

[Heinz68]

Yes you're right babes often cry but that has nothing to do with the subject of my post.

[Xion X2]

Yes you're right babes often cry but that has nothing to do with the subject of my post.

Sure it does. Every time something negative is said about ATI around this place you whine and cry about it until you're blue in the face and indirectly, or directly in some cases, accuse them of viral marketing against ATI. And what's even stupider is that you do this to people who have documented experience with both ATI and Nvidia hardware and drivers (some long-time ATI users, such as myself) as if, for some reason, they are out to tear ATI down.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just the facts.

[Heinz68]

I wont respond to personal attacks, for the rest go back and read my origional post.

[nekrosoft13]

Sure it does. Every time something negative is said about ATI around this place you whine and cry about it until you're blue in the face and indirectly, or directly in some cases, accuse them of viral marketing against ATI. And what's even stupider is that you do this to people who have documented experience with both ATI and Nvidia hardware and drivers (some long-time ATI users, such as myself) as if, for some reason, they are out to tear ATI down.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just the facts.

he still must be getting those red checks

[Xion X2]

he still must be getting those red checks

Yeah, I think we found ATI's version of Rollo.

[slaWter]

slaWter your share of problems with ATI drivers was about 24 hours experience with 4870 x2. The problem according to you was not being able to get 1080p on your TV. There are plenty of fixes for that plus some people also have same problem with NVIDIA drivers.

Funny than you have Xion x2 plus one it, this after having about zillion posts about the 4870 x2 and ATI drivers being great.

I'm not getting into this again. Just FYI, months and quite a few drivers after I had the issue, someone reported in the Far Cry 2 thread here at nvnews.net about the same problem. He was also using a Samsung HDTV. I highly doubt that ATI fixed that problem...

[mullet]

I'm still not going to buy one after my 4870X2 fiasco. Had my fair share of ATI drivers problems for a while...

+1

Yeah, I think we found ATI's version of Rollo.

+1

he still must be getting those red checks

+1

[Heinz68]

FIRST Can you PLEASE stop editing your posts even after my reply. Your original reply had ONLY a picture of crying baby. I came couple days later and there is a long reply added. The same was in the other thread where your reply was only a picture showing me finger and also when I did see it couple days later it was replaced with long text reply.


ATI seems to have issues w/ 1080p scaling. I have a 1080p like Slawter, and I also had issues with Crossfire before in getting it to scale properly back when I had my two 4870X2s and just recently with two 4890s. No matter what I tried, it would default to single card unless I hooked up a standard monitor. I tried lots of "fixes" and posted in the driver section over on Rage3D asking for help. None came. The solution at the time was to use a standard monitor to game on which I was lucky to have a spare 1920x1200 around at the time to use. On a standard monitor, games scaled just fine. But I'd rather use my 46" 1080p for gaming, not a 24" monitor.

Here (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116585)I do have some recommended reading for you about GREAT Crossfire scaling on 4870 X2 (not by me).
I see NOTHING there about 1080p problems. True, the review is done on 1680x1050 resolution. Funny, even than the so called spared 1920x1200 monitor didn't exist than.
Why didn't the reviver mention 1080p scaling problem or even more so the Crossfire problems he was experiencing??? ALL reviews when they have such problem do say so.

No matter what I tried, it would default to single card unless I hooked up a standard monitor. I tried lots of "fixes" and posted in the driver section over on Rage3D asking for help. None came.
None came because none exist. True few people have problem with some TV's to display the true 1080p resolution and for that some fixes exist at Rage3D.
slaWter problem was the true1080p resolution. I believe on couple games mainly Crysis, he was getting the under scan. Anyway I did see few people with NVIDIA drivers having problems with some TVs.
First time I hear 1080p default to single card.

Now here (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1747335&postcount=54) and repeated here (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=119059) is another recommended reading for you about GREAT SCALING (again not by me), this time about Quadfire.
Finally with the so called spared 1920x1200 monitor and again no mention about the 1920x1080 (1080p) disabling the Crossfire or in this case Quadfire on his TV. WHY NOT??????????
Why would the reviewer spend additional at least $550 for Quadfire if there was problem with his TV displaying Crossfire, specially since he prefers to play at 1080p resolution and it doesn't work?
Did he hoped the Quadfire would perform miracle and fix the problem? Anyway here again the reviewer didn't mention such problem even exist.

I could add to the above glowing Crossfire reviews MANY MORE links where you were defending and arguing the ATI product and DRIVERS when it was in your signature. Most time with the very few ATI bashers on this forum. Were you CRY BABY than????? Since you're accusing me of being one.

I would've liked to have kept my 4890s, but they're useless to me if I can't get them to scale in Crossfire on my 1080p because that's what I bought this display for in the first place.
Few months later the 1080p TV is finally here but again talking about scaling in Crossfire. The scaling on some TVs some people have problem with is the underscan (about 1inch black frame in full screen), not the Crossfire.

Now if you could not fix it (and you tried so hard) why not go and get the GTX 275, I would have done the same thing, after all from all the reviews I did read it is GREAT product. Actually my 4870 X2 would have have been long time gone since I ONLY use the 1080p resolution.
One thing I would have never done is post in the trolling fashion like in the following examples whether it is about NV or ATI. Specially knowing not everybody is experiencing the same problem like you, even slaWter didn't.

"Crossfire scaling is terrible", " ATI drivers are SUCKS", "what I see is crap", "They are absolutely terrible", "right now their drivers SUCK and are the worst I've seen in 5+ years of PC gaming"


Yeah, I think we found ATI's version of Rollo.
In the past you already cold me stupid, idiot and to shut up. Now I'm Rollo, is it supposed to be a bigger insult?????

I'm not connected in any way with AMD/ATI and I pay for my hardware. I NEVER recommend that people should buy ATI rather than NVIDIA actually I never recommend what people should buy PERIOD. I do post my experience with the product I have, never did I post about bad experience with NVIDIA product. Mostly I post reviews and articles by others.
If I see some inflated or troll posting about ATI I do comment on it and not always, again not much time.
Comparing me to Rollo doesn't make much sense. Actually I don't even know anything about Rollo postings for few months, since he is the only member on my IGNORE list. Probably good idea to put couple more people there to save time.

Based on ALL the above it looks like it's you who is turning into Rollo. I'm only mentioning the COMPLETELY of subject Rollo (sorry Rollo) since you accused me about turning into one. The only other explanation would be, you posting like some teen about everything in his signature is awesome and everything else is garbage.

Well few NV enthusiast would probably find another explanation something like "finally even Xion X2 did smarten up and found the truth, what took him so long." :)

Now I hope we can close this once and for ever but I very much doubt so.

@ slaWter, please see PM

@ My friends nekrosoft13 and mullet, I'm just going to ignore the posts.