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maddog912
06-15-03, 10:42 PM
Sorry, I hope this thread hasn't been posted before, but I need a NO SH*T advice. Which one should I buy, the 9800 Pro 256 megs or the Geforce FX 5900 ultra 256 megs....? I don't won't to waste my money on the wrong one! I have heard some bad things about the 5900 AA support.... Need help!!!

saturnotaku
06-15-03, 10:43 PM
Buy the 9800. And FYI, the mods don't take kindly to circumventing the swear filter.

indio
06-15-03, 10:56 PM
Make sure you have a fast processor. don't waste the card on anything under 2 ghz.

CherryPopper
06-15-03, 10:57 PM
Well I picked up the 256 Meg 9800 Pro 3 weeks ago and am very happy with my purchase. IQ, speed, AA and AF performance is significantly better than my previous Geforce 3 Ti 500. The board also runs very quiet; in fact a lot queiter than my Ti 500 used to run. Overclocking has been stable for up to 2 hours at 448 core and 380 memory with no cooling mods.

Solomon
06-15-03, 11:06 PM
In all seriousness, You should buy a Radeon 9700 Pro. I've had one overclocked to 380Mhz core and 700Mhz. You can get these now for $270.00 or so. That's what is nice about the new 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra. Prices on previous generation go down. :)

Regards,
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maddog912
06-15-03, 11:20 PM
Sorry Admins about the by-passing the swear filter won't happened again...I do have a 3Ghz chip on a P4PE MB, and 1 gig of DDR 3200 memory! I just want the best GPU to play whats coming down the road. HL2 and Doom3! With all the Neg. info on the 5900 Ultra, and how Nvidia cheated makes it all confusing! That's why i needed good advise!

Sphinx
06-15-03, 11:42 PM
Buy ~ Bought - Test it and then you will know wich one is better...
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For me personal : I bought a R9700Pro and am happy with it since ~10 Month...

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I would prefer : R9800Pro 256 MB or Wait until R420 is out :D

creedamd
06-15-03, 11:58 PM
another vote for the 9700/9800, either will do great for your system

Filburt
06-16-03, 01:18 AM
I would vote for the 9800 Pro.

AthlonXP1800
06-16-03, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by maddog912
Sorry, I hope this thread hasn't been posted before, but I need a NO SH*T advice. Which one should I buy, the 9800 Pro 256 megs or the Geforce FX 5900 ultra 256 megs....? I don't won't to waste my money on the wrong one! I have heard some bad things about the 5900 AA support.... Need help!!!

You have P4PE motherboard, is it 845 chipset? so you didnt mentioned what power supply you got. Radeons have lots of issues with hardwares like motherboards and power supplies and various Catalyst drivers. If you have 845, 850, 865 or 875 chipset, it will not compatible with Radeon 9800 Pro Revision 02, it will compatible only with Radeon 9500 and 9700 with Revision 30 or later, it almost impossible to find cards have Revision 30 or later in stores. It may possible to RMA the card to the manufacturer and they could modify it to the very latest revision. Also Radeon 9800 Pro have issues with Enermax 350Watt power supply and here are lots of reports at Rage3D that the cards have power problem with 350Watt power supplies, it work fine with 480Watt or greater power supplies.

Geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256Mb is the only solution for your PC, also FutureMark was told at last that Nvidia did not cheated on 3D Mark 2001 and 2003, plus these are just benchmarks, it pointless, not a bloody game. :rolleyes2

You concerned about the 5900 AA support, it near good as Radeon but not enough job to remove jaggies, you will not concern about it when you run games with 4xFSAA or 4xS FSAA at 1280x1024, 1600x1200 or higher on your powerful P4 3Ghz, you will not noticed any jaggies. :D I run GTA: Vice City on 4600 with 4xS FSAA and 8xAF at 1280x1024, here are not any jaggies but it run slight slow on AthlonXP 1800, I will upgrade to Geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256Mb in few weeks and then upgrade CPU and motherboard with Athlon 64 in September or October 2003.

maddog912
06-16-03, 11:06 AM
Thanks for the info, I did upgrade my PSU to a Antec 420 TRue power!, and my sound card is a Audigy2 card! OK now for this choice,

MSI
EVGA
GAINWARD


which one to buy!

solofly
06-16-03, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by maddog912
Thanks for the info, I did upgrade my PSU to a Antec 420 TRue power!, and my sound card is a Audigy2 card! OK now for this choice,

MSI
EVGA
GAINWARD


which one to buy!

Go for MSI.

On the side note though I use a i865 mobo with 9800p and Enermax 431w PSU with ZERO issues. I still think ATi drivers need some polishing but that's beside the point.

Hanners
06-16-03, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
Geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256Mb is the only solution for your PC, also FutureMark was told at last that Nvidia did not cheated on 3D Mark 2001 and 2003

:lol2:

I don't want to start this debate all over again, but come on... :rolleyes:



By the way, I think the 9700 Pro would get my vote too unless you really want to go all out and splash the cash on a 9800 Pro.

Hellbinder
06-16-03, 11:42 AM
Sorry Admins about the by-passing the swear filter won't happened again...I do have a 3Ghz chip on a P4PE MB, and 1 gig of DDR 3200 memory! I just want the best GPU to play whats coming down the road. HL2 and Doom3! With all the Neg. info on the 5900 Ultra, and how Nvidia cheated makes it all confusing! That's why i needed good advise!

Listen to me man.. I am about to give you some No BS advice...

DONT BUY ANYTHING.

Wait until August. If you buy something now you are going to kick yourself in the head several times in another month or two. There are a couple refresh (again :rolleyes: ) slightly Tweaked products comming out before HL2, Q3 and all that ships.

Wait just a bit then decide if you want a 9800 or 5900.

Slappi
06-16-03, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Listen to me man.. I am about to give you some No BS advice...

DONT BUY ANYTHING.

Wait until August. If you buy something now you are going to kick yourself in the head several times in another month or two. There are a couple refresh (again :rolleyes: ) slightly Tweaked products comming out before HL2, Q3 and all that ships.

Wait just a bit then decide if you want a 9800 or 5900.

I agree with Hellman on this one. Wait a few months.

AthlonXP1800
06-16-03, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by maddog912
Thanks for the info, I did upgrade my PSU to a Antec 420 TRue power!, and my sound card is a Audigy2 card! OK now for this choice,

MSI
EVGA
GAINWARD


which one to buy!

Well it hard choice

MSI 5900 Ultra is not yet available I think, EVGA 5900 Ultra default clock and memory speed is 500/900 it follow Nvidia reference and I think it used 2 slots in order for the card to fit in, you can look at the pics of EVGA and MSI cards http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/News/News_Content.asp?board_idx=2267 and here a thread about EVGA clocking speed: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13408 people seem have a clock issue with EVGA, I think update the videocard next BIOS version will fix the clock issue or maybe it the reference cooler issue. But firestartar have MSI 5900 card at default 450/850, he overclock it to 500/913, it run stable fine all the time. I think all brands version of 5900 Ultra will clock at default 500/900.

Maybe you could go for MSI 5900 Ultra, here is first review of MSI 5900 http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=3&page=1 So I heard nothing about Gainward 5900 Ultra, I think the standard cooler is measure at 40dba, MSI 5900 twin coolers one in front and one in back is both measure at 30dba.

AthlonXP1800
06-16-03, 12:35 PM
Yeah I also suggest you to read EVGA 5900 Ultra, MSI 5900 Ultra and Gainward 5900 Ultra reviews first before decide which to buy if you are not in a hurry to get one now. :)

maddog912
06-16-03, 01:02 PM
Hellbinder, I think you may be right, I have a GF4 ti 4400 128 megs right now....which runs everygame just fine a 1024/768, and even BF1942 runs no problems...with the 44.03 drivers. I just hated to make the wrong move to early! I have heard about the NV40 chip, but haven't read any hard facts on it!

P.S. Again thanks to all that has responded!

Hellbinder
06-16-03, 01:35 PM
First of all AthlonXP... the default core clocks for the 5900U are 450mhz...

There is this tiny bit of Troubleing ifo to consider..

The real enemy of Twin-Flow wont be sound output, rather it will be its sheer physical size. Occupying the nearest PCI slot isnt a big deal in our opinion, as most gamers and enthusiasts keep this slot empty for better airflow anyway. But with the cooler on the underside of the card jutting out just over a , there isnt much room for error. We think the majority of consumers who should be concerned are those of you who own 865PE motherboards, especially if the North Bridge on your heatsink is passively cooled. The ASUS P4P800 Deluxe definitely wont fit.

From the new Firing Squad 5900 non ultra review. Notice even the non ultra has an insane PCI slot eating cooling system. Remember this chip is at .13um

The 9800pro on the other hand is at .15um and has a normal HSF on it. It also overl****s to as much as 435ish with no additional cooling.

bkswaney
06-16-03, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Listen to me man.. I am about to give you some No BS advice...

DONT BUY ANYTHING.

Wait until August. If you buy something now you are going to kick yourself in the head several times in another month or two. There are a couple refresh (again :rolleyes: ) slightly Tweaked products comming out before HL2, Q3 and all that ships.

Wait just a bit then decide if you want a 9800 or 5900.


I agree with HB on this one. :)

AthlonXP1800
06-16-03, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
First of all AthlonXP... the default core clocks for the 5900U are 450mhz...

Yeah so I cant imagine why EVGA 5900 Ultra has default core clock at 500Mhz? Is it because of good yield? so that why I thought maybe all companies will follow EVGA lead to default 5900 Ultra core clock to 500Mhz so I think it all depend on yields.

nagus
06-16-03, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by maddog912
Sorry, I hope this thread hasn't been posted before, but I need a NO SH*T advice. Which one should I buy, the 9800 Pro 256 megs or the Geforce FX 5900 ultra 256 megs....? I don't won't to waste my money on the wrong one! I have heard some bad things about the 5900 AA support.... Need help!!!


Radeon 9800PRO 256MB is the best card on the market. and it has better IQ then any other FX, including the 5900ULTRA. BUY it :)

maddog912
06-16-03, 07:45 PM
HB...Any Idea when the next round of GPU with different chip-sets will hit the market?....

b00bie
06-16-03, 07:55 PM
right now I would get the 9800PRO :p

DaveM
06-16-03, 08:25 PM
Defiantly the 9800 Pro

I have both 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra both 256mb cards.

And also the stuff with your board is bs to me. I have a P4PE with the newest bios running both the 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra just fine.

The 256mb versions are new enough revision it shouldn't matter.

The 9800 Pro to me is much better than the 5900 Ultra, even in test it beats it and prefernce too :D.

You won't be disappointed.

DaveM

EDIT: I also have a Enermax 350 watt power supply no problem either, most problems are user not hardware so I think you'll be all right, if not just replace user :D




j/k :)