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Armed_Baboon
06-23-09, 12:37 AM
Guys, I am planning on buying a GTX295 in about 2 weeks time. The POV and MSI cards are really cheap at the moment, at $650AU.

What games do you think would require a GTX295 to get an acceptable 40-60fps at 1920x1200 and at least 4xAA?

So far I can think of:

Crysis / Warhead
Stalker Clear Sky
Arma2
Dirt/Dirt2

what else needs such power?

wysiwyg
06-23-09, 04:32 AM
i found the GTX295 needed an i7 to get the best out of it aswell

GTA IV needs a 295 to run at max details at 1920x1200

nekrosoft13
06-23-09, 10:58 AM
GTA IV needs a 295 to run at max details at 1920x1200

no it doesn't, 295 actually will hurt GTA 4. GTA 4 needs massive ammount of video memory something that 295 lacks. 295 might be advertised as 1792MB card. But it uses SLI technology meaning that each GPU only has 896MB of Video Memory to work with.

The 2GB GTX 285 (Single GPU) or 1792MB GTX 275 (Single GPU) is much better card for GTA 4

wysiwyg
06-23-09, 11:02 AM
ok my bad

has ran great at that setting still

Vanzagar
06-23-09, 11:59 AM
FSX

|MaguS|
06-23-09, 12:03 PM
No game requires a GTX295 for the given settings...

Xion X2
06-23-09, 12:23 PM
no it doesn't, 295 actually will hurt GTA 4. GTA 4 needs massive ammount of video memory something that 295 lacks. 295 might be advertised as 1792MB card. But it uses SLI technology meaning that each GPU only has 896MB of Video Memory to work with.

The 2GB GTX 285 (Single GPU) or 1792MB GTX 275 (Single GPU) is much better card for GTA 4

Can't believe I'm agreeing w/ nekro lately, but he's right.

The 896MB of VRAM is definitely something to think about w/ the 295, but I see that you're on a P35 and don't have a lot of options available to you (standard SLI w/ more than 896MB of VRAM per GPU would be optimal.)

And a single 295 isn't enough to run Crysis w/ 4xAA unless you turn a lot of the settings down. Hell, 2 isn't. There isn't a card or set of cards on the market strong enough to run Crysis w/ 4xAA and maxed settings. Some of that is probably due to the advanced graphics and some due to shoddy coding, because I think both Clear Sky and Ghostbusters look better (some may disagree w/ that, but I do) and both run better at maxed/near max settings.

saturnotaku
06-23-09, 12:35 PM
Can't believe I'm agreeing w/ nekro lately, but he's right.

The 896MB of VRAM is definitely something to think about w/ the 295, but I see that you're on a P35 and don't have a lot of options available to you (standard SLI w/ more than 896MB of VRAM per GPU would be optimal.)

The P35 and two-core CPU will put a bit of a choke hold on a 295 as well. Crysis needs a fair amount of tweaking to get it consistently above 30 fps at 1920x1200 with even 2x AA on a Core i7.

A better investment of the OP's money would be going to a quad-core CPU and then investing in either a 2 GB GTX 285 or 1792 MB GTX 275.

Xion X2
06-23-09, 01:05 PM
The P35 and two-core CPU will put a bit of a choke hold on a 295 as well. Crysis needs a fair amount of tweaking to get it consistently above 30 fps at 1920x1200 with even 2x AA on a Core i7.

A better investment of the OP's money would be going to a quad-core CPU and then investing in either a 2 GB GTX 285 or 1792 MB GTX 275.

Yeah, I didn't think about the bandwidth issue. Did the P35 lack PCI-E 2.0?

Pending that, I completely agree with everything you said.

saturnotaku
06-23-09, 01:09 PM
Yeah, I didn't think about the bandwidth issue. Did the P35 lack PCI-E 2.0?

Pending that, I completely agree with everything you said.

P35 is not PCI-E 2.0.

SilentMercury
06-23-09, 01:29 PM
I finally decided to upgrade a pair of 88oo gtx cards I've had for a while and got 2 275 gtx sc cards and I must say I am not very impressed. After reading this post, I feel I should have gotten the 1792mb instead of 896mb. While Crysis and Clear Sky have improved two fold, GTA 4 has not, and that was the main game I wanted to improve performance on.

Also, after installing the new cards I noticed right away that the overall video quality was a lot better on the 88oogtx's. I find myself tinkering with the contrast, gamma, etc. and I still cant get images to look as full and crisp as the old cards. I am stumped at this one to be honest and very disappointed. Finally, I have to bitch about flashing shadows and lights in GTA4 with these cards. That is annoying.

I am curious, If I picked up a third card, a 1792mb version, would the tri-sli utilize 1792mb of video memory or 896 mb, like the other cards?

saturnotaku
06-23-09, 01:39 PM
I am curious, If I picked up a third card, a 1792mb version, would the tri-sli utilize 1792mb of video memory or 896 mb, like the other cards?

SLI is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. You would still be limited to an 896 MB frame buffer. Two 896 MB cards in SLI only have that much memory to work with, as nekro explained in the earlier post in this thread.

Quick420
06-23-09, 02:06 PM
That is the real drawback with sli.I originally purchased my 2-8800's for FEAR,thinking 2x512mb would rock the game,they do but as we all know now they utilize 512mb of video ram.I'm looking for a nice 2-series with at least 1gb of ram currently,any suggestions?

saturnotaku
06-23-09, 02:08 PM
That is the real drawback with sli.I originally purchased my 2-8800's for FEAR,thinking 2x512mb would rock the game,they do but as we all know now they utilize 512mb of video ram.I'm looking for a nice 2-series with at least 1gb of ram currently,any suggestions?

Depends on how long you're going to keep the card. If you want something to tide you over until the GT300 line comes out, you can get away with either an 896 MB GTX 275 or a 1 GB GTX 280. Newegg sells refurbished eVGA 280s for $240.

Armed_Baboon
06-23-09, 08:03 PM
The P35 and two-core CPU will put a bit of a choke hold on a 295 as well. Crysis needs a fair amount of tweaking to get it consistently above 30 fps at 1920x1200 with even 2x AA on a Core i7.

A better investment of the OP's money would be going to a quad-core CPU and then investing in either a 2 GB GTX 285 or 1792 MB GTX 275.

I find that hard to believe. maybe you are right, I dunno... hard to judge without some specific benches. I can always overclock my cpu. I know it does 3.7GHZ just fine, and that was in summer, and it's now winter and quite cold.


EDIT: looks like you are way off the mark. Have a look at this benchmarking:

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=5

There is only 1fps difference between a GTX295 paired with a core i7965 and a core2quad9650 and a core2duo8600 @ 3.66ghz.

Xion X2
06-23-09, 08:13 PM
That is the real drawback with sli.I originally purchased my 2-8800's for FEAR,thinking 2x512mb would rock the game,they do but as we all know now they utilize 512mb of video ram.I'm looking for a nice 2-series with at least 1gb of ram currently,any suggestions?

Best deal out right now would be the 275 1792MB edition. 297$ on newegg w/ a free copy of Call of Duty 5. Same amount of shaders as the 285, just a smaller memory bus (448 bit vs 512 bit) which hasn't made much difference thus far.

Of course, I'm biased. ;)