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The Democrats only have to offer is fear. This party is such a pathetic and insufferable waste of a vote. Every thing is a war against Republicans. Do they put forward ideas or is their ideal furture one of fear and hatred towards the Republicans?
There is a flash on the DNC official site that is neither funny or imformative. It is some of the lowest street gutter politics I have ever seen. It depicts as usual Republicans namely President Bush and VP as evil scientits. I do love political satire even against people I support but it has to be tasteful and well done. This flash is neither, just more hate coming from the left. :rolleyes:
DNC (http://www.democrats.org/) Direct link to flash (http://www.democrats.org/scotus/bushenstein.html)
things like this have never worked in politics. Especially now against a president with such high approval rating. People will either ignore this or vote against this in 2004. The dems are childish in their hatred towards Bush that is selfdistructing them. This is the biggiest group of simple minded democratic polititions I have seen. They just can't let go of 2000.
More proof this group is incapable of rational thought is the fact that Bush has given them almost everything they have cried for. Bush asks for conservative bills then when he doesn't get them he goes almost all the was towards a Democratic plan. He is basically taking their issues away from them but the Dems are to STUPID and so filled with hatred that they won't come out and claim credit for what they fought for. This based solely on the grounds that it is Bush that signed it. :rolleyes: What a bunch of idiots.
Originally posted by UDawg71
The Democrats only have to offer is fear. This party is such a pathetic and insufferable waste of a vote. Every thing is a war against Republicans. Do they put forward ideas or is their ideal furture one of fear and hatred towards the Republicans?
There is a flash on the DNC official site that is neither funny or imformative. It is some of the lowest street gutter politics I have ever seen. It depicts as usual Republicans namely President Bush and VP as evil scientits. I do love political satire even against people I support but it has to be tasteful and well done. This flash is neither, just more hate coming from the left. :rolleyes:
DNC (http://www.democrats.org/) Direct link to flash (http://www.democrats.org/scotus/bushenstein.html)
things like this have never worked in politics. Especially now against a president with such high approval rating. People will either ignore this or vote against this in 2004. The dems are childish in their hatred towards Bush that is selfdistructing them. This is the biggiest group of simple minded democratic polititions I have seen. They just can't let go of 2000.
More proof this group is incapable of rational thought is the fact that Bush has given them almost everything they have cried for. Bush asks for conservative bills then when he doesn't get them he goes almost all the was towards a Democratic plan. He is basically taking their issues away from them but the Dems are to STUPID and so filled with hatred that they won't come out and claim credit for what they fought for. This based solely on the grounds that it is Bush that signed it. :rolleyes: What a bunch of idiots.
sort of reminds me of the republicans when they went in to impeach clinton... since they had nothing else to do or offer @ the time...
init :D
face it... even politicians get bored...
[edit] btw bush sr's approval rating was even higher and he had far more global support @ the time back then... ratings are not the do all/end all of politics...
btw... i thought it was sorta funny :D
Originally posted by Sazar
sort of reminds me of the republicans when they went in to impeach clinton... since they had nothing else to do or offer @ the time...
init :D
face it... even politicians get bored...
[edit] btw bush sr's approval rating was even higher and he had far more global support @ the time back then... ratings are not the do all/end all of politics...
btw... i thought it was sorta funny :D
Bush's Sr ratings were not higer for as long period. This is nothing like 92. I would not compare it to 92. So many different factors.
BTW I agree and how the Republicans acted while Clinton was in office but we did not lose. We just did not advance a agenda until 96. Also the Republicans never when as low as the dems. The dems only have hate and fear. Face it the Dems are doing every thing wrong politically. The dems only have opposition. They never advance anything.
Originally posted by UDawg71
Bush's Sr ratings were not higer for as long period. This is nothing like 92. I would not compare it to 92. So many different factors.
BTW I agree and how the Republicans acted while Clinton was in office but we did not lose. We just did not advance a agenda until 96. Also the Republicans never when as low as the dems. The dems only have hate and fear. Face it the Dems are doing every thing wrong politically. The dems only have opposition. They never advance anything.
its not so much the democrats or republicans as a whole...
:)
there is no democrat @ the moment who really has a set agenda that people can look into.. its a real mish-mash right now...
on the republican side I would like to see someone else come to the forefront...
I have been rooting for mc Cain for a long time due to his policies and his less militant views... bush by himself is not as bad as he is made out to be... or as I make him out to be :D but I dont like his policies... pure and simple... it has nothing to do with republicans or democrats or whatever...
he just has a below average team working with him... and ashcroft has far too much power @ the moment... if he gets a better team and actually works to improve conditions @ home instead of waging a ghost war with no real enemies and lots of innuendo and what not.. thats not really going to help us... its turning into a story akin to the Boy who cried wolf... there is only so many times you can raise the terror level or attack nations without the american people falling into a lull and not caring about it anymore... and this is a dangerous precedent...
the democrats need somoene who knows what he or she is talking about.. and unfortunately it is the same old stiffs again and again... someone needs to step forward like mc Cain did the last few years and clinton before him and inject some new life into politics...
I dont' care if the republicans come back to power but I can't for the life of me imagine the burdens that dubyah will leave this nation with if he is elected AGAIN...
digitalwanderer
06-17-03, 12:57 AM
I didn't think it was that good or that funny...but if it pisses off the extreme right as bad as it pisses off Udawg then I'm all for it! :lol:
I don't care what it takes, I do NOT want to see another psycho right-winger appointed to an all ready out-o-balance Supreme Court!
They'd trash the constitution & make us like it!!! :eek:
Originally posted by Sazar
its not so much the democrats or republicans as a whole...
:)
there is no democrat @ the moment who really has a set agenda that people can look into.. its a real mish-mash right now...
on the republican side I would like to see someone else come to the forefront...
I have been rooting for mc Cain for a long time due to his policies and his less militant views... bush by himself is not as bad as he is made out to be... or as I make him out to be :D but I dont like his policies... pure and simple... it has nothing to do with republicans or democrats or whatever...
he just has a below average team working with him... and ashcroft has far too much power @ the moment... if he gets a better team and actually works to improve conditions @ home instead of waging a ghost war with no real enemies and lots of innuendo and what not.. thats not really going to help us... its turning into a story akin to the Boy who cried wolf... there is only so many times you can raise the terror level or attack nations without the american people falling into a lull and not caring about it anymore... and this is a dangerous precedent...
the democrats need somoene who knows what he or she is talking about.. and unfortunately it is the same old stiffs again and again... someone needs to step forward like mc Cain did the last few years and clinton before him and inject some new life into politics...
I dont' care if the republicans come back to power but I can't for the life of me imagine the burdens that dubyah will leave this nation with if he is elected AGAIN...
OK! This Ashcroft has too much power thing is just silly. Where is your proof, first off. Secondly may I remond you of Wako, Under Janet Rino. How many people did she kill? Come on Sazar the only reason why the left doesn't like Ashcroft is because they are biggots. They hate Christians..unless a Christian disavows their beliefs. :rolleyes: Don't get me started on what I know about biggotry against Christians.
McCain!? He is a quack who will never win. You said that he was less militant than Bush. LOL! McCain wanted to put ground troops in Kosovo. LOL! He has backed every conflict since he has been in office. Unless you mean less militant by his politics. ;) Remember Bush killed McCain. McCain only had one good showing. The rest of the way was really bad for him. Then he cried like a baby when he lost....and most the way through. You want to talk about control? How about campaign finance reform. Thanks to McCain political speach during elections is almos void now. What a joke that was and shame on Bush for signing it. It will be tossed out in the Suprime Court but it should have been struck down by Bush.
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I didn't think it was that good or that funny...but if it pisses off the extreme right as bad as it pisses off Udawg then I'm all for it! :lol:
I don't care what it takes, I do NOT want to see another psycho right-winger appointed to an all ready out-o-balance Supreme Court!
They'd trash the constitution & make us like it!!! :eek:
It didn't piss me off. I actually smiled and wrote response of encouragement to them to keep up the good work. I think it will be counter productive. These type of campaigns never win votes, simpley because they don't advance any thing.
BTW you want to talk about trashing the Constitution? What about the Democrats forcing a super majority when electing judges by filibuster. As per the Constitution it only requires a simple majority to nominate judges yet the Dems filibuster to force cloture vote after cloture vote. There by forcing a super majority to elect a nominate a judge. This is sick and abusive. The democrats are obstructionists pure and simple and their polls show it. What a bunch of dundar heads.
digitalwanderer
06-17-03, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by UDawg71
What about the Democrats forcing a super majority when electing judges by filibuster. As per the Constitution it only requires a simple majority to nominate judges yet the Dems filibuster to force cloture vote after cloture vote. There by forcing a super majority to elect a nominate a judge. This is sick and abusive. The democrats are obstructionists pure and simple and their polls show it. What a bunch of dundar heads.
One man's dundar head is another man's hero, my hat is off to 'em for finding a way to stop it no matter what it takes. :cool:
I'm not really a democrat, I'm just pro-america in the way I feel it's important to be. :)
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
One man's dundar head is another man's hero, my hat is off to 'em for finding a way to stop it no matter what it takes. :cool:
I'm not really a democrat, I'm just pro-america in the way I feel it's important to be. :)
I side with Republicans because they more closely represent what I believe. I am a conservative first Republican second.
Bush isn't pro-America?
My main point is that they are doing a bad job politically. I am biased of course but by just observing what they are doing it is completely dumb. They are not advancing anything but hatred towards Bush. This makes no sense since Bush is a very popular president. Fare mor popular than Clinton. I just don't understand why they are so willing to self distruct in order to take cheap pots shots and don't work. It is just beyond me.
BTW "what ever it takes" ? by "trashing the constitution"? ;)
It seems the constitution is conviently trashed when it suits a side ehh. ;)
digitalwanderer
06-17-03, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by UDawg71
Bush isn't pro-America?
No, not in my book or by my definitions! Not by a LOOOONG shot!
Originally posted by UDawg71
OK! This Ashcroft has too much power thing is just silly. Where is your proof, first off. Secondly may I remond you of Wako, Under Janet Rino. How many people did she kill? Come on Sazar the only reason why the left doesn't like Ashcroft is because they are biggots. They hate Christians..unless a Christian disavows their beliefs. :rolleyes: Don't get me started on what I know about biggotry against Christians.
McCain!? He is a quack who will never win. You said that he was less militant than Bush. LOL! McCain wanted to put ground troops in Kosovo. LOL! He has backed every conflict since he has been in office. Unless you mean less militant by his politics. ;) Remember Bush killed McCain. McCain only had one good showing. The rest of the way was really bad for him. Then he cried like a baby when he lost....and most the way through. You want to talk about control? How about campaign finance reform. Thanks to McCain political speach during elections is almos void now. What a joke that was and shame on Bush for signing it. It will be tossed out in the Suprime Court but it should have been struck down by Bush.
bigotry... dood I am an atheist.. don't get me started on the crap I have to take from people trying to sell me on why I am going to hell and why I should believe in such and such religion because of whatever bogus reasons... :)
btw... christianity and what not.. has what to do with politics per se? isn't church and government separate in this nation ? bush himself found god half way through the campaign... just like al gore... they are all fake... bogus...
and all I have to say about ashcroft is... he has to be really bitter for losing senate elections to a dead man... :D
:rofl
now for serious stuff... ashcroft is attorney general... he has pushed and received support for various civil liberty limiting laws since he has been in his position of power... consider the thousands held w/o trial or even a charge since the 9/11 terrorist attacks... the moves to increase fbi's powers to survey or arrest with far less checks and balances than before...
I say he has too much power because if you consider some of the main propositions put forth by the current administration.. they have been by ashcroft... you don't hear so much about dick cheney... in fact the only time I have heard about dick cheney was his health condition and haliburton links or whatever it was...
concerning reno... and Waco... she did her job... the fbi did their job and the sect took their stance...
if the fbi had perhaps had their field ops trained a bit better in the mechanisms of flammable tear gas canistors.. the people who died would still be around...
perhaps the fbi needs to be held a bit more accountable... but on the other hand... reno did her JOB...
also.. the fbi continues to state that the davidians set the fire themselves based on their own investigations.. believe what you must..
the campaign finance reform that was not backed was done rightly so..
there needs to be an INDEPENDENT campaign reform setup... I don't care what was on the agenda... if you read through it.. the politicians continue to raise ridiculous amounts of money.. I mean some of them are able to put up $100million or so in campaign funds... that is ludicrous... we need far more stringent laws than that which was suggested for campain finance...
I don't agree with everything mc Cain says or does btw... but he is a straight shooter... and I find it easier to at least listen to him based on this..
Originally posted by UDawg71
I side with Republicans because they more closely represent what I believe. I am a conservative first Republican second.
Bush isn't pro-America?
My main point is that they are doing a bad job politically. I am biased of course but by just observing what they are doing it is completely dumb. They are not advancing anything but hatred towards Bush. This makes no sense since Bush is a very popular president. Fare mor popular than Clinton. I just don't understand why they are so willing to self distruct in order to take cheap pots shots and don't work. It is just beyond me.
BTW "what ever it takes" ? by "trashing the constitution"? ;)
It seems the constitution is conviently trashed when it suits a side ehh. ;)
the constitution and interpretations of it has been bastardized enough as is... :)
I have been advocating stripping the entire constitution of all the garbage that costs the american people billions of dollars a year and stick with the basics and rework it completely...
I think it should be blatantly obvious to the average joe that the LAW MAKERS make more laws to give work to the hundreds of thousands of lawyers out there :D
now for serious stuff... ashcroft is attorney general... he has pushed and received support for various civil liberty limiting laws since he has been in his position of power... consider the thousands held w/o trial or even a charge since the 9/11 terrorist attacks... the moves to increase fbi's powers to survey or arrest with far less checks and balances than before...
Most of the crud said about Ashcroft is because he is a Christian. Infact when he was nominated that was used against him. He was called a right wing Christian fundamentalist. If that aint biggotry I don't know what is.
bigotry... dood I am an atheist.. don't get me started on the crap I have to take from people trying to sell me on why I am going to hell and why I should believe in such and such religion because of whatever bogus reasons...
You don't have to listen to them. If persist you can't file harassment suite against them.
What you are saying is that Christians can't express what they believe. :rolleyes:
Besides it is total bull that Christians are always in your face. Sure there are some but for the most part it is bull and made up to make us who do whitness kindly look bad.
So you are saying it is wrong to believe there are consiquences for your lifes actions? So we are the bad guys now because we believe that? :rolleyes: Give me a break. Again, you don't believe it so don't worry about it.
Try being a Christian in a biology study course. I was and I got a D for writing a paper which we could choose the topic on for our final. I wrot mine on Creationism. I had full documentation. I got back my review saying "the bible is not a accurate source for Crationism. Witchcraft and voodoo have no place in biology" I am paraphrasing but you get the gist. The point is he disagreed with me and I got a bad grade because of it. He even too pot shots at me during class because it was know I was a Christian. How did they know? Well I read my bible a lot so it was on my desk. At one point he even picked it up with out asking and said do I really believe in this? I said yes and offered to let him have the bible. He scoffed at me.
now for serious stuff... ashcroft is attorney general... he has pushed and received support for various civil liberty limiting laws since he has been in his position of power... consider the thousands held w/o trial or even a charge since the 9/11 terrorist attacks... the moves to increase fbi's powers to survey or arrest with far less checks and balances than before...
How many have been release? ummm most of them. How many that were not here iligally are still being held? Ummmm 0. So our laws apply to illegal imagrants from know terrorist states? ...and people wonder why we have a imagration problem. :rolleyes:
concerning reno... and Waco... she did her job... the fbi did their job and the sect took their stance...
R U frinkin! serious! She murdered them! CHILDREN. She gave the order to move against women and children. She is their superior and responsible. that case was shut up really fast. She did not do her job. She is responsible for their deaths. BTW they could have arrested David in town but they waited till he got back to the compound. :rolleyes: brilliant! I am in now way defending David. He is a wack job. Still the point is they moved against a religion by force. We had a armed force moving against civilians. Talk about big brother.
there needs to be an INDEPENDENT campaign reform setup... I don't care what was on the agenda... if you read through it.. the politicians continue to raise ridiculous amounts of money.. I mean some of them are able to put up $100million or so in campaign funds... that is ludicrous... we need far more stringent laws than that which was suggested for campain finance...
I say raise as much money as you want but the who when and where should be imediate. The sad thing is you want a cap on the money raised and you know full well that Republicans raise more money than dems. BTW most of the Republicans contributors are grass-roots and small donations. This is taditional in the GOP. The dem get much more from rich doners, corporations and such. I am not saying Republicans don't get their money from cororations and rich people but it is well know that Republicans raise much more hard money from small donations then dems.
Originally posted by Sazar
I think it should be blatantly obvious to the average joe that the LAW MAKERS make more laws to give work to the hundreds of thousands of lawyers out there :D
.....and who do the trial lawyers back. LMAO! You stepped into this one. LMAO!!! The Dems! LOL!
I have been advocating stripping the entire constitution of all the garbage that costs the american people billions of dollars a year and stick with the basics and rework it completely...
...so you are for trashing the consitution. :p owned:
take care bro! I gotta get some sleep... and you are up way to late young man. :p twas fun thread crapping with ya. :D
Originally posted by UDawg71
Most of the crud said about Ashcroft is because he is a Christian. Infact when he was nominated that was used against him. He was called a right wing Christian fundamentalist. If that aint biggotry I don't know what is.
ashcroft was accused of a lot more than just being a right win christian fundamentalist... but I dont really care about that... all politics and most of the character assasination was unecessary... that he does have a shoot first/ask questions later attitude does bother me no end though... and the lack of accountability (theres that word again)
You don't have to listen to them. If persist you can't file harassment suite against them.
What you are saying is that Christians can't express what they believe. :rolleyes:
never said that... never mentioned the term 'christians'... and I have absolutely no problem with people expressing their opinions and having a frank discussion with me.. but it annoys the heck out of me when people start stating such and such consequences will occur if you don't do whatever else...
Besides it is total bull that Christians are always in your face. Sure there are some but for the most part it is bull and made up to make us who do whitness kindly look bad.
So you are saying it is wrong to believe there are consiquences for your lifes actions? So we are the bad guys now because we believe that? :rolleyes: Give me a break. Again, you don't believe it so don't worry about it.
Try being a Christian in a biology study course. I was and I got a D for writing a paper which we could choose the topic on for our final. I wrot mine on Creationism. I had full documentation. I got back my review saying "the bible is not a accurate source for Crationism. Witchcraft and voodoo have no place in biology" I am paraphrasing but you get the gist. The point is he disagreed with me and I got a bad grade because of it. He even too pot shots at me during class because it was know I was a Christian. How did they know? Well I read my bible a lot so it was on my desk. At one point he even picked it up with out asking and said do I really believe in this? I said yes and offered to let him have the bible. He scoffed at me.
I reiterate that I never mentioned anything about christians :) re-read what I posted... I am not going to get into this topic...
How many have been release? ummm most of them. How many that were not here iligally are still being held? Ummmm 0. So our laws apply to illegal imagrants from know terrorist states? ...and people wonder why we have a imagration problem. :rolleyes:
http://www.progress.org/2003/ai05.htm
R U frinkin! serious! She murdered them! CHILDREN. She gave the order to move against women and children. She is their superior and responsible. that case was shut up really fast. She did not do her job. She is responsible for their deaths. BTW they could have arrested David in town but they waited till he got back to the compound. :rolleyes: brilliant! I am in now way defending David. He is a wack job. Still the point is they moved against a religion by force. We had a armed force moving against civilians. Talk about big brother.
in no way do I condone what happened... but she did her job... it was within her mandate... and yes.. ultimately she is responsible... she has taken all teh flak from this...
and we shall have a discussion about big brother after the patriot act and its addendums leads us to such a state wot :)
I say raise as much money as you want but the who when and where should be imediate. The sad thing is you want a cap on the money raised and you know full well that Republicans raise more money than dems. BTW most of the Republicans contributors are grass-roots and small donations. This is taditional in the GOP. The dem get much more from rich doners, corporations and such. I am not saying Republicans don't get their money from cororations and rich people but it is well know that Republicans raise much more hard money from small donations then dems.
you continually revert to party lines which is one thing I try not to do :) basically because I do not support a party per se...
I stick to my beliefs based on what I feel is right.. if a candidate from one party or the other represents my beliefs adequately... I will vote for him/her...
I frankly don't care about who benefits more and what not.. I think it is criminal that millions and millions are spent by political parties on elections for generally corrupt people who crave power above anything else when there is a lack of funding for various programs across the nation to help out the average joe... $2000-$5000 a plate to listen to mundane hour long speeches when there are kids without health care?
I find that wrong... I am sorry if you prefer to look @ it in terms of democrats v/s republicans...
Originally posted by UDawg71
.....and who do the trial lawyers back. LMAO! You stepped into this one. LMAO!!! The Dems! LOL!
it doesn't matter.. it is an existing problem... who it favors or not should not be @ question...
...so you are for trashing the consitution. :p owned:
the constitution is fine... it is the additions over the years and the 'bloatware' (for lack of a better term).. that it has become that I have a problem with... the amount of money and time and energy and stress directly linked to litigation is a little off...
take care bro! I gotta get some sleep... and you are up way to late young man. :p twas fun thread crapping with ya. :D [/B]
bleh... lol have some homework to do.. might as well have a little crappola slinging while @ it :D
vampireuk
06-17-03, 02:44 AM
Is it just me or is this place turning into a political board ;)
*grabs some C4* I'll scuttle this damn ship!!:D
LORD-eX-Bu
06-17-03, 03:19 AM
this is one of the many reasons I am not a democrat. They have nothing to go on, they have lost it. They just have to resort to insulting people, wasting time and money making crapass lame animations on the internet(anyone remember that one of the granny getting thrown down the stairs?) and I think these nationalist dems are just plain retarded.
Keep hurting yourselves Democraps, I'm lookin' forward to at least another four great years of having Republicans control the White House and congress:rofl
PsychoSy
06-17-03, 05:17 AM
The only thing funny about that Flash movie is the line, "Heart? We don't need no stickin' heart!" :p
As for Ashcroft, the Republicans were in a tizzy with that smear tactic against him because it's true - Ashcroft IS a right wing fundamentalist Christian! According to the Bush adminstration, and backed by eons of religious history, fundamentalism in religion breeds terrorists. Ashcroft might as well just wear a turban - it'll remove all doubt. :)
Lastly, on the subject of Janet Reno, she's a sick old battle axe that needs to be committed in a mental ward right along with anyone from the current Bush adminstration. And in the event that she is perfectly sane, at least commit her from public view. I mean, DAY-UM she's fugly, man! She's so unpleasant I bet Ann Coulter actually shows compassion - and perhaps even a thigh - to any man in Janet's life!
1stFlight
06-17-03, 07:27 AM
Ashcroft is the only government offical I've ever heard of who freely admits to pro-actively working to find ways around abiding by the Constitution.... he disgusts me
Btw, we are supposed to separate religion from government. That's the 1st! thing the Constitution says.
Originally posted by UDawg71
OK! This Ashcroft has too much power thing is just silly. Where is your proof, first off. Secondly may I remond you of Wako, Under Janet Rino. How many people did she kill? Come on Sazar the only reason why the left doesn't like Ashcroft is because they are biggots. They hate Christians..unless a Christian disavows their beliefs. :rolleyes: Don't get me started on what I know about biggotry against Christians.
McCain!? He is a quack who will never win. You said that he was less militant than Bush. LOL! McCain wanted to put ground troops in Kosovo. LOL! He has backed every conflict since he has been in office. Unless you mean less militant by his politics. ;) Remember Bush killed McCain. McCain only had one good showing. The rest of the way was really bad for him. Then he cried like a baby when he lost....and most the way through. You want to talk about control? How about campaign finance reform. Thanks to McCain political speach during elections is almos void now. What a joke that was and shame on Bush for signing it. It will be tossed out in the Suprime Court but it should have been struck down by Bush.
Originally posted by vampireuk
Is it just me or is this place turning into a political board ;)
*grabs some C4* I'll scuttle this damn ship!!:D
omg.. an IRA activist... ARREST HIM...
start disclaimer - the above was a joke btw...in case political sensitivities are ruffled - end disclaimer
Btw, we are supposed to separate religion from government. That's the 1st! thing the Constitution says.
Where does it say a person has to abandon their religious beliefes when they enter the public scene? I have never read this. It say the government can not favor nor exclude any religion. I think you might have this wrong.
Actually this is what is first said in the constitution.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
and this is the second thing it says.
Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Amendments come last. ;)
Originally posted by UDawg71
Where does it say a person has to abandon their religious beliefes when they enter the public scene? I have never read this. It say the government can not favor nor exclude any religion. I think you might have this wrong.
you are right...
but you are also wrong :)
you don't have to disavow your religious beliefs upon entering politics... but you cannot base your decisions solely upon YOUR religious beliefs (note I am not talkin about you Udawg but people in general) when representing the people of the united states... since there is a vast mix of ethnicities/religions...
by subscribing to one religion on your platform and enforcing THOSE views you are effectively shutting off the voices of the many others who do not believe in the same religious rhetoric you do...
thats basically what my point was and I think what 1stflight was saying as well..
this has nothing to do with christians or leftwingers or whatever else... it is just a question of ensuring parity
2fast4u
06-17-03, 09:09 AM
imo religion should just not be a factor in poltics. seperation of church and state is a fine idea because religious deversity has to be accepted by all means. sazar summed it up very nicely :)
Originally posted by Sazar
you are right...
but you are also wrong :)
you don't have to disavow your religious beliefs upon entering politics... but you cannot base your decisions solely upon YOUR religious beliefs (note I am not talkin about you Udawg but people in general) when representing the people of the united states... since there is a vast mix of ethnicities/religions...
by subscribing to one religion on your platform and enforcing THOSE views you are effectively shutting off the voices of the many others who do not believe in the same religious rhetoric you do...
thats basically what my point was and I think what 1stflight was saying as well..
this has nothing to do with christians or leftwingers or whatever else... it is just a question of ensuring parity
If you don't base your decisions on your core beliefs then what do you base them on? Are you saying you can't back or base any policy based on your religious belief? When a policy comes into the realm of beliefs then how do you separate them? Sure on fiscal issues there isn't any problem. Yet when it comes to a issue of abortion, how do you handle it. Do you disregard your religion for the sake of policy? If that is true then what doe atheists do? Do they disregard their lack of belief or is not believing that default value for life?
You have to remember we are a secular government in a Christian nation. It is rediculous to expect a Christian to set asside their beliefs for policy.
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