oh noooes !!! not our computers

[Sazar]

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.

The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright abuses represent a dramatic escalation in the frustrating battle by industry executives and lawmakers in Washington against illegal music downloads.

During a discussion on methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

The senator acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6241-2003Jun17.html

big brother... its closer than you think :argh:

[vampireuk]

Damage my computer and I'll damage his face, family, home, place of work hell even his god damn pets:rw:

[silence]

just send mr.flibble to next hearing......

[PsychoSy]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Damage my computer and I'll damage his face, family, home, place of work hell even his god damn pets:rw:

You'll have to climb over me first! :angel:

[wysiwyg]

i cant see how it will be physically possible and there will always be other ways to get what a person wants. also wouldnt damaging somone elses computer be an offence like vandelism.

[Dark Jedi]

They thought destroying Napster would put an end to it... but as wysiwig says, people will always find another source for their material. Although wouldn't them remotely destroying systems (if that's possible...) make them as bad as the hackers they try to prevent from causing havoc to many major companies? I dunno... the world gets crazier every passing day ;)

[Pafet]

As long as it only effects the USA... OK BY ME :D

kidding

what they'll overclock the computer to 3 times current clock?
change BIOS settings to agressive??
plant infinite loops... (I still have those)

a friend of mine once used the overclock thing to get someone a long long time ago

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by PsychoSy
You'll have to climb over me first! :angel:

I'll take the one on the left, you get the one on the right:angel:

If they did this and my pc was damaged I would be heading over there to destroy a nice big building that had the words RIAA on it, and also hang that republican sob by his ears.

Hey look! A republican trying to twist the laws in his favour!:p

I went onto his website and found the contact me form...

I am writing about your statement about destroying peoples computers if they download media from the internet. I would like to know when big bussiness became so childish that they have to try to resort to measures that will only start a extreme backlash against them. Not only is attacking another persons propertly illegal but it is also immoral. Have you ever sat down and wondered why the Record industry objects to internet file sharing? It is because it cuts them out as the middle man! Artists no longer need a company to be taking a percentage from them since they can now get their material out to the public in other ways. The record industry are also being luddites about the entire age of online music, if they wanted they could release their own service with fairly priced music with NO restrictions on its use. The only way to beat file sharing is to compete with it on the same level. You would claim that people who download would not buy these products but that would be wrong. I download music myself to sample the album instead of wasting £16 on a album that was not worth the cash I paid. Try doing some research on file sharing before you instantly comdemn it, try embracing it as a way forward instead of hanging on to older methods. Also the record companies like to point to falling profits, maybe this is because of the lack of talent. Everyone I know is sick to death of hearing the same old boring stuff from the same old boring talentless groups. It's a good reason for falling profits if you think about it.

And fair warning if develop a way to damage computers expect the same extreme methods in return. A threat for a threat, seems fair to me.

Despite the fact that its kind of impossible to make happen I felt I had to rant at him ;)

Everyone contact the retard (http://hatch.senate.gov/)

[Sazar]

:clap:

well done vamps...

[digitalwanderer]

I hated him during the Clinton Impeachment, I hate him now. :mad:

ANYONE tries to dick with one of my systems and I will personally make them and anyone connected with/associated with them regret it dearly. :mad:

If they open the door to making attacking pcs a legitimate form of control then they're opening the door to making it a legitimate form of protest too....and I just think me and me friends will be better/more psychotic at it than they could ever imagine! :evil:

I will NOT stand for this one, NO ONE attacks my machines with impudence! :mad:

[b00bie]

That was pretty well put Vamps. :)

I'll get onboard with that... ;)

[Sazar]

Originally posted by b00bie
That was pretty well put Vamps. :)

I'll get onboard with that... ;)

suuuuure !! you say vamps... but you really mean mr Flibble... :D

/me jumps onboard behind mr Flibble's murderous little hook thinger...

ah... this should be fun...

[sytaylor]

In all honesty i don't think it will get to that point, some jibroni just thinks its a good idea to "smash the machines to stop those against god" (has a very 1800s ring to it...).

Either way, if someone touches my rig and it breaks by any fault other than my own they gonna get roasted.

[Dark Jedi]

Mr Flibble's eyes are scary... they follow you wherever you look... :eek:

I'll never look at penguins in the same light again... be afraid... be very afraid. :eek: :eek:

[DaveW]

The guy is just a dork. He also violated the copyrights of a certain software company when his webmaster stole DHTML scripts for his website. :)

[vampireuk]

roflmao who would one inform about that?:D

[1stFlight]

I think we're overlooking one very important detail.

What's the RIAA accuracy on monitoring files that actually are theirs 100%, 90%, ---50%?

If this comes to pass, they'll be damaging a lot of users computers who are completely innocent, and with the way the Repubs like to write laws, they'll leave those people with no legal recourse.

Of course, the very act of damaging a machine over the network, is illegal. So if any private person wanted to try hacking, all they'd have to say is, 'I though some of my artistic, copyrighted works were on this machines". Oh yeah, that'd go over well.

The other point is that if they are able to accomplish this, what kind of security holes would they have to expose? And who'd be liable to patch them? Who's going to buy an OS, that has "legal" holes/backdoors in it?

RIAA vs M$ FIGHT!!!!

[vampireuk]

Well first of all I can't see this as been possible at all. Second of all if this does happen then I say nvnews registers as some kind of copyright company and hack and destroy all of their computers and say "oops I thought you had our stuff on there" An eye for a god damn eye!:D

[poursoul]

just thought of a funny situation:

Trent Reznor (of Nine inch Nails) logs onto Kazaa to download whatever the RIAA monkey squad spots his username and checks his files.

RIAA: You are violating federal copyright laws, delete the mp3's in question or face the consequences!

Trent: ummmm.... they're mine..... really, i made them.

RIAA: Very funny, joker. Do it now, this is your last warning.

Trent: what the hell? you guys are rediculas.

*RIAA sends code and executes.

*Trent summons all the demons of hell and executes.

[stncttr908]

Somehow I question the legality of this. :rolleyes:

[DaveW]

There is always Freenet (http://freenet.sourceforge.net) :)

[Clay]

Good grief, with ridiculous methods like this being floated out there, I won't be surprised to read this headline next:

New Law In Place To Deter Speeding: If We Catch You Doing It Then We'll Blow Up Your Freakin' Car :rolleyes:

As a side note, I wonder if the term "Freakin'" has ever appeared in a major news outlet headline. :p

[jAkUp]

oh nooooos!

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=2363

[DaveW]

I read on a blog that Hatch's idea is unconstitutional... according to this, so are most of what RIAA is doing.


Section 9, Clause 3: (Powers denied to Congress) No Bill of Attainder… Law shall be passed
(Bill of Attainder is a law that inflicts punishment without a trial)

Amendments:

Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be search, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment VII: In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the rights of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

[legion88]

Originally posted by wysiwyg
i cant see how it will be physically possible and there will always be other ways to get what a person wants. also wouldnt damaging somone elses computer be an offence like vandelism.

Yes, but I think it would be more like vigilantism when the victim or friends of the victim (or complete strangers even) go after the alleged criminal without due process.

And also let us pretend that it is physically possible, John Doe can go to a local public library and download stuff that would destroy the library's machine. He's not there to get the downloaded material; he's there to destroy the library's computers.

Suggestion for Hatch is to take the money and run. He's done all he could for his campaign sponsors, time to move on to something that won't violate people's civil rights.