Firefox better get it's act together

[Sazar]

Another major exploit discovered, right after 3.5.1 was released to fix previous exploits.

http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6829&rss

Apparently running no-script extensions will not help that much :(

Chrome is looking better and better everyday.

[six_storm]

Honestly, if everyone freaked out over security flaws like this over any browser, I don't think anyone would get on the Internet anymore. I know that security is very important when it comes to being online, but my goodness, do we have to cry about every "hole" and "flaw"? Come on people.

Use which browser you like and feel safest with, and move on.

/thread

EDIT: Sorry Sazar for crapping on your thread, but come on dude . . .

[Sazar]

People started using Firefox while bashing IE and it's security woe's. I think it is only justified to move away from the FF fanboyism when it is clearly not at the fore-front and hasn't been for a long time and while it's quality and security continues to drop.

Just saying, there are superior alternatives out there and instead of launching a good, competitive browser, we get one which is a little faster than the previous one, still has memory leaks and still is slower and lacks features available in the others :) Oh, and it has security holes that even the extensions can't plug.

[crainger]

As FF become more popular people will poke and prod more.

I can't wait till Chrome has Google toolbar built in AND supports Windows 7 taskbar fully, until then it's IE8 with IE7pro....

and Google Toolbar.

[Medion]

As FF become more popular people will poke and prod more.

I can't wait till Chrome has Google toolbar built in AND supports Windows 7 taskbar fully, until then it's IE8 with IE7pro....

and Google Toolbar.

I was shocked to see that they released and updated IE7Pro this past week, but it's still not officially compatible with IE8. In fact, the release notes are more cryptic than Realtek driver updates.

[Kain]

I have version 3.0.11. Will this also affect me?

[Pissbeuponhim]

personally i think that firefox needs a sharp reawakening unless it wants to go the same way as netscape (okay that was a money thing but hey). It has shot to stardom on the the very grounds its slipping on now.


tut tut.

[crainger]

I was shocked to see that they released and updated IE7Pro this past week, but it's still not officially compatible with IE8. In fact, the release notes are more cryptic than Realtek driver updates.

Yeah, you still have to disable LCIE to get IE7Pro to run properly all the time everytime. But that's not a huge deal as IE8 is pretty rock solid.

[Heinz68]

Well I still prefer the Firefox, I don't like the IE integration in the OS mainly for security reasons and also when there is problem with the browser it's some time harder to fix it.

I and many others would not call the IE8 as "pretty rock solid", but since I was not using the IE8 (at least I believed so), I would say who cares.

Recently I was connecting to my STEAM account, right on the top off the Home Page there is a Flash add which was not running, instead it had a link for updating the Flash Player, I clicked on the link which didn't work.

I open the Firefox checked some off my fav WebCam girls :) and the flash player was working just fine also checked the Adobe site to make sure I had the latest version.

I rightly guessed the STEAM using the IE8, when I tried to open the IE it didn't connect and after few seconds it closed without any error notice.

Searching the IE on my PC I actualy found to have two versions of IE8, one 32bit and the other 64 bit but the shortcut was only for the 32bit which was not loading. I opened the the 64bit and it loaded just fine so again I checked my fav girls just to find out I need to get the Flash Player. Well there was a little problem since the Adobe Flash Player doesn't support the 64-bit Vista.
No wonder the shortcut is opening the 32-bit IE but why is MS even downloading the 64-bit version.

Anyway I Googled "IE8 wont load" just to find out many others with similar problems and at least at that time I could not find any fix for that.

The system restore would not fix the problem I guess since I got the IE8 with Vista 64bit Service Pack 2.

I do remember at least some IE versions had repair option in the Control Panel Uninstall but the option is no longer there.

The only option left was to uninstall the IE8 from the updates and install again but it didn't work the same problem was still there, guess thanks to the integration. If there was same problem with Firefox it would be easy to fix it.

Since i needed to access my games on STEAM I decided to reinstall the OS I believe there was no other fix at least at that time.

PS
There was no virus or malware on my PC, I did the scan with few programs.
Since it was not my first problem with Vista64 I do HOPE the Windows 7 (Vista Service Pack 3 :) ) is going to be much better.

[ViN86]

Well I still prefer the Firefox, I don't like the IE integration in the OS mainly for security reasons and also when there is problem with the browser it's some time harder to fix it.

I and many others would not call the IE8 as "pretty rock solid", but since I was not using the IE8 (at least I believed so), I would say who cares.

Recently I was connecting to my STEAM account, right on the top off the Home Page there is a Flash add which was not running, instead it had a link for updating the Flash Player, I clicked on the link which didn't work.

I open the Firefox checked some off my fav WebCam girls :) and the flash player was working just fine also checked the Adobe site to make sure I had the latest version.

I rightly guessed the STEAM using the IE8, when I tried to open the IE it didn't connect and after few seconds it closed without any error notice.

Searching the IE on my PC I actualy found to have two versions of IE8, one 32bit and the other 64 bit but the shortcut was only for the 32bit which was not loading. I opened the the 64bit and it loaded just fine so again I checked my fav girls just to find out I need to get the Flash Player. Well there was a little problem since the Adobe Flash Player doesn't support the 64-bit Vista.
No wonder the shortcut is opening the 32-bit IE but why is MS even downloading the 64-bit version.

Anyway I Googled "IE8 wont load" just to find out many others with similar problems and at least at that time I could not find any fix for that.

The system restore would not fix the problem I guess since I got the IE8 with Vista 64bit Service Pack 2.

I do remember at least some IE versions had repair option in the Control Panel Uninstall but the option is no longer there.

The only option left was to uninstall the IE8 from the updates and install again but it didn't work the same problem was still there, guess thanks to the integration. If there was same problem with Firefox it would be easy to fix it.

Since i needed to access my games on STEAM I decided to reinstall the OS I believe there was no other fix at least at that time.

PS
There was no virus or malware on my PC, I did the scan with few programs.
Since it was not my first problem with Vista64 I do HOPE the Windows 7 (Vista Service Pack 3 :) ) is going to be much better.
So the fact that Adobe doesn't have a 64-bit flash program, which led you to miss out on some skanks on the interwebs, led you to not like IE and prefer FF?

Wow... :wtf:

[crainger]

IE8 does not come with SP2.

[Drolfrawd]

google chrome is the browser for now. miss the add-ons of FF though

btw you see google here and in the sentence above chrome's spell checker doesn't recognise it.

[Sazar]

So the fact that Adobe doesn't have a 64-bit flash program, which led you to miss out on some skanks on the interwebs, led you to not like IE and prefer FF?

Wow... :wtf:

I read the post but I think a lot was lost in translation.

I am not even sure he is even using IE8. Vista typically defaults with IE7.

Fwiw, IE8 is faster and uses less memory and has a pretty snazzy tabbed browsing experience compared to FF :) But, Chrome is still my first love :D

I am really hoping Firefox revises their interface for the next iteration. It looks too bloated.

[Heinz68]

So the fact that Adobe doesn't have a 64-bit flash program, which led you to miss out on some skanks on the interwebs, led you to not like IE and prefer FF?

Wow... :wtf:
NO, I NEVER liked the IE and for many reasons always preferred the Firefox . I was just wondering why to even include the 64bit browser since there was not Flash Player for it. I doubt many are using the 64bit IE anyway since the shortcut is opening the 32bit IE. I do also wonder what takes Adobe so long to get the 64bit flash.

The ONLY reason I did try to update the 64bit IE with Flash Player was so I can access "My Games" on Steam since 32 bit IE stopped responding COMPLETELY.

IE8 does not come with SP2.
I do not use the auto update on any program including Windows where I have only the Notify Option. Therefore I believe I did install both updates (Service Pack 2 and IE8) at the same time, in what order it was installed I'm not sure. Once the updates are selected the update site makes the order choice. The fact is one way or other the IE is very much integrated in the OS, that is why the Uninstall and Re-install could not fix the problem.

I read the post but I think a lot was lost in translation.

I am not even sure he is even using IE8. Vista typically defaults with IE7.

Fwiw, IE8 is faster and uses less memory and has a pretty snazzy tabbed browsing experience compared to FF But, Chrome is still my first love

I am really hoping Firefox revises their interface for the next iteration. It looks too bloated.

You can be sure that I was using the IE8 since the ONLY install on my PC is IE8 32-bit and 64- version. It's very easy to check what is running.

As I said before I never liked the IE because because of the OS integration which makes it higher security risk and if there is any problem with the IE it also makes it harder to fix at least that was in my case and many others who had the same or similar problem.

We all have different browsing preferences so I'm NOT saying which browser is better, specially since Chrome is your love but here is why I prefer Firefox.

1. The ABP is not on Chrome and NEVER will be. See the picture on the bottom. On the same page the Chrome has 5 adds. All the adds use the Flash Player and the Curve add NEVER stops playing. It sure doesn't make the page load faster with Chrome plus the memory use is much higher.

2. I like the Firefox Navigation Toolbar with EASY access to all Search engines which I added few.

3. I do miss on Chrome the Extensions, for example the "Web Developer" and many more.

4. I like the Firefox OPTION to automatically clear all the Browsing History, Cookies, Cache and much more, when Firefox closes.

5. I don't like SOME of the Chrome "General privacy" features, for the same reason I don't use the Google or Yahoo toolbars on Firefox.

6. With Vista64 it takes 3 chrome.exe to run the browser and the total memory use is almost always much higher.


Re Point 1. Chrome vs Firefox (re sized desktop picture)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1489/chromefirefox.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/chromefirefox.jpg/)

Re Point 6. 3 Chrome.exe process
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8305/3chromeprocesvsfirefox1.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/3chromeprocesvsfirefox1.jpg/)

PS
Just in case you need any of the above to translate, please use Google translate. :)

[Sazar]

:confused:

I have never had an issue with Chrome's memory usage because it has always been lower than FF. I actually posted a screenshot a week or two ago re: FF 3.5 in the 3.5 thread where everything is posted side by side and FF had the higher usage and it just kept climbing, unlike the other browsers :)

Under Win7 x64, Chrome just has 1 process (unless I have multiple tabs, in which case each has it's own instance and you can kill a tab individually through the taskmanager without having to kill your browsing session in other tabs).

I agree with you that AdBlock is a great tool and is not available on the other browsers in the same manner as the extension on FF, however FF also randomly crashes due to flash errors. In fact, it is the most unstable of the browsers that I use :)

There are many elements of FF that I do like and prior to Chrome and IE8 and Opera 10, I used FF almost exclusively.

However, now, with the release of the other browsers and their pushing the envelope, FF continues to rest on it's laurels. Their announcement of updates for 3.6 and 3.7 is a good sign and is precisely what I EXPECT them to do. To continue to innovate and not just... wait for it... rest on their laurels.

[OldOfEvil]

1 window open with no extra tabs viewing this thread and FF is using 102MB. Whats the deal with the large memory usage?

[Yaboze]

Yeah, FF 3.5.1 seems crappy to me. Sometimes when I run it, it doesn't even launch, then I have 3 of them in the task manager. The other day, I had a 100 meg + session with 3 tabs.

I dunno. Might ditch it for IE8.

[Heinz68]

The reason it doesn't launch is that it didn't close properly the same happens with Chrome. In that case the Task Manager has to be used first to close the Firefox process.
In Vista 64 Firefox starts with only one "Process" and even when more tabs are open it still shows only one process.

The Chrome starts with 3 process (Vista64) and each tabs add additional 1 process. The total memory use is almost always higher with the Chrome. Probably thanks to "AdBlock Plus", add-on option on Firefox I'm using.
Never liked the IE, before the Firefox I was using the Opera. Historically the IE was always higher security risk, mainly due to the OS integration and much larger user base.

The integration also makes it harder to fix the IE if something goes wrong, I did learn that just recently when the 32bit IE stopped responding. I don't use IE but unfortunately STEAM does, therefore I couldn't access "My Games". After I Googled the problem I found out many others had the same problem with no fix around so I had to reinstall the Vista to fix it.