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Bearclaw
08-07-09, 08:48 PM
Hey guys -

Building a server for my house. Basically I will just use it for backup, storage of files, etc. Since I know nothing about servers, I wanted to learn by building one and starting to use one and doing so with your help. Just a few questions:

1) What hardware do you recommend? This will be nothing serious like hosting a game, although maybe I will in the future. Just storage and maybe streaming music (See below)

2) As far as an O/S, I will need a server O/S? Do you recommend the new 2008 RC or an earlier build?

3) Like I said, I am looking mainly for storage. I have a laptop I use around the house (As well a 2-3 other PC's) that would connect and all use the server as a main file source. Possible? Amongst keeping files on there, I am interested in streaming music to any of the machines that would like to listen to it. For example, I would like to go on my laptop and connect to server and use that as my music source, connecting through the network, NOT locally on my hard drive. Possible?

SO, no sure about a lot of this and any help would gladly be possible. Thanks guys!

Roliath
08-07-09, 10:48 PM
So your looking for a file server?

Specs can be awfully low than. I run at home a foxconn 740g mATX, x2 4850e, 2x1gb ddr2, 380 earthwatts, and with close to 4 TB in it. Serves my entire family (3 pc's, 2 laptops, 1 guest laptop, 1 htpc) all my media (bluray encodes, mp3's, tv shows, all documents are all saved here). You really don't need much and can probably get it all for around 250 if you shop around.

As far as OS, I use 2003 since its solid and I know it fairly well. 08 is nice, but for ftp access, and network shares. I don't think you would need to go out and get 08. Hell XP will get you by, just make sure you kill off unneeded services.

Also, to save yourself money. Figure out how many users will connect at any given moment and be realistic. This can help you plan your build out.

I've just popped a bottle of red wine i've been saving for a lonely friday night, so sorry for the sentence structure.

Bearclaw
08-07-09, 11:31 PM
Thanks for all your info on this. Exactly what I'm looking for. Like you put it, just a file server. What exactly is the difference between using XP and a Server 2003 on it? I just want to be able to access and store files for a few computers. So like you said, XP could work equally as well I would assume.

As far as streaming music and movies (You gave me that idea as well :) ), would it just be like opening a music or video file on my HD only now I just select it over on the server?

Bearclaw
08-07-09, 11:58 PM
So, just what a put together in a few minutes.

CASE:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147068

CPU:
AMD Athlon X2 240 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688)

Motherboard:
Biostar TA790 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138147)

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211281

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171028

Hard Drive:
A few 1TB drives maybe.


All in all, after the drives, etc. ,came out to about 400 dollars. Not bad.

Roliath
08-08-09, 02:04 AM
I ran out of wine.

Yeah you can stream media multiple ways, through a media streaming program or just keep it simple and get it running by setting up a network share and directory traverse to what you want to play.

My server isn't connected to the internet, it is mainly just for storage. I basically kept it simple with a network share for all my other PC's. To me in all honesty it doesn't matter what OS it is since all its doing is running utorrent, filezilla, and a shared out array.

You can run server 03, 08 if you have other plans for it down the line. So choose something you know, and the software is compatible and stable. The good thing about your hardware choice is you have upgrade potential. I've basically kept mine to bare minimum needs. Also, don't forget the importance of backups.

CaptNKILL
08-08-09, 05:33 AM
I don't think the specs matter too much for a personal file server.

I've used some pretty old\slow systems for file servers over the past 2-3 years.

The most important thing IMO is getting something that runs cool and stable and doesn't use much power. The setup you posted looks pretty good bearclaw.

I'd look around at some other power supplies though. Something from Corsair, FSP or another high quality brand may get you better power consumption and reliability for just a few more dollars. You really wouldn't need more than 300 or 350W to run that system stably with room to add a basic graphics card or more drives later on.

crainger
08-08-09, 05:41 AM
BearBear builds a server? May God have mercy on us all.

Bearclaw
08-08-09, 08:08 AM
Muahahahahaha!

@Captn - Thanks man. I thought the same thing about the PSU after I posted it. I am definitely going with Corsair.

mullet
08-08-09, 09:27 AM
Don't forget 2 rolls of duct tape.

Drolfrawd
08-08-09, 09:52 AM
This is all you need Bearclaw

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105357

Bang on the operating system server 2003 or 08 and read some articles, I can help you if needed. really no point in building your own server.

bacon12
08-08-09, 10:05 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153135

Would make an awesome file/ media streaming server. I am using my 775 e8400 old gaming rig which is way over kill, and am saving to build a low power atom based server in the coming months. I am gonna get a raid controller thou as I need more than 2 sata slots and lots of storage.

Fieryphoenix
08-08-09, 10:36 AM
For a file server the "specs" I'd look for are power consumption!

mcolbourn
08-08-09, 11:42 AM
Yea I think power consumption the big thing as it will be running all day you don't want it pulling more power than you need. When I built my server i used http://www.ebuyer.com/product/144083 at over 82% Efficiency its very good.

nekrosoft13
08-08-09, 01:34 PM
I don't think the specs matter too much for a personal file server.



true, only reason I got a quad in my server is because I also use the server to offload video transcoding, and video rendering.

Bearclaw
08-08-09, 09:11 PM
This is all you need Bearclaw

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105357

Bang on the operating system server 2003 or 08 and read some articles, I can help you if needed. really no point in building your own server.

LOL...? It's discontinued. :(

einstein_314
08-09-09, 06:33 PM
If you're just using it as a file server, the specs don't need to be very high. My file server is a C2D E4400 with 2GB ram. I'm running WS08 on it (which I got from my Technet subscription) and it's working great. I use it to stream all my movies/tv shows/music to various other computers around the house (htpc, laptops, desktop). I also keep all my documents stored on it (where they get regularly backed up) and then on my laptop have it setup to sync with them. So I always have a copy with me when I go places with my laptop, but when I come home, everything gets automatically synced.

I also have uTorrent installed as a service and configured so it automatically downloads the tv shows I watch.

You should also look into Windows Home Server. I was using it for the longest time and it was great for a simple file server/backup repository.

six_storm
08-09-09, 07:04 PM
Are you signed up for TigerDirect emails? If so, they have some exclusive deals in some of their emails. I highly recommend looking at some of their barebone kits, GREAT deals there. When I try to build a server piece by piece (or even from Dell's small business website), I can't beat the deals from TD.

When I get my CCENT over and done with, my next cert will be Server 2008 (whichever cert that is) so I'll be building a file/backup/game server. I plan on building something with a AMD quad-core, at least 2GB of RAM, and 1TB of storage. ;)

BearNuts, you know we'll be glad to help you build a server. :captnkill:

ViN86
08-09-09, 08:35 PM
For the record, I would run linux on the server instead of spending cash on Windows Server. Then use ssh or a simple ftp program and map it as a network drive on your windows machine.

six_storm
08-09-09, 11:25 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153135

Would make an awesome file/ media streaming server. I am using my 775 e8400 old gaming rig which is way over kill, and am saving to build a low power atom based server in the coming months. I am gonna get a raid controller thou as I need more than 2 sata slots and lots of storage.

You know, I'm real surprised how cheap you can build a server with the Intel Atom series. You can get this: Foxconn R10-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119012) for nearly nothing and just add HDD and RAM. Insane!

I guess since I'm building a server that needs to handle Server 2008, the Atom wouldn't be the best bet for me. I'll be spending about $400+ instead of just $150-$200. :(

bacon12
08-10-09, 08:13 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't handle it. I have not tired it so I can't say for sure, but I am running 7rtm on my zotac ion board with only 2 gb ram.

At times it feels sluggish but when I say that I am used to my i7 920, 6 gb, 2x gtx260, and wd 6400aals in short stroked raid 0 so it should feel sluggish. :D

For a file/media streamer/torrent box I think it would run server 08 just fine, and the r2 probably even better. It is an almost 2ghz dual core processor after all.

DiscipleDOC
08-10-09, 09:20 AM
(popcorn)

six_storm
08-10-09, 11:29 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't handle it. I have not tired it so I can't say for sure, but I am running 7rtm on my zotac ion board with only 2 gb ram.

At times it feels sluggish but when I say that I am used to my i7 920, 6 gb, 2x gtx260, and wd 6400aals in short stroked raid 0 so it should feel sluggish. :D

For a file/media streamer/torrent box I think it would run server 08 just fine, and the r2 probably even better. It is an almost 2ghz dual core processor after all.

I'm really curious as to see if the Atom 330 with 2GB or 4GB of RAM would run Server 08 R2. I mean, I'll be studying for certs with my server so I would be doing DHCP, IIS, AD, etc. I'd rather gamble my money on an AMD proc with 4GB.

bacon12
08-10-09, 02:48 PM
If you can wait about two months for me to save up for the build then I will happily make a thread showing my journey. However there are several oems(Hp (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105421) and Acer (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859321013)) that have home server 08 set ups with similar specs, the acer is a single core atom 230. So it can be done, just not sure on what performance you would achieve.