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Heinz68
08-13-09, 01:25 AM
AnandTech Final Words
Without a doubt the Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition is faster than anything you can get that fits into an LGA-775 socket at a remotely similar price point. AMD has done its duty well there, the 965 is clearly a better option than the Q9550 or Q9650 for that matter.

As a gaming CPU, it's actually competitive with the i7s. If you exclude the FarCry 2 results, which I hardly believe are representative of most games, the Phenom II X4 965 is easily just as good of a gaming CPU as an i7 in today's titles. Now once you start throwing in background tasks and look at future titles being more threaded then the picture becomes a little more muddy.

Overall application performance is very good from the 965's perspective. It's only in a handful of 3D or well threaded apps where we see the i7 really pull away. The 965 BE is competitive, just not faster.

All in all, I like the Phenom II X4 965 BE. It is a good performer and if you can get the price right then it makes sense. The problem is that AMD is defending a hotly contested segment with this processor at $245.

When it comes down to it, between the 965 BE and an i7 920, I still opt for the 920. The 965BE does have a lower total cost of ownership so the real question is how well does it stack up against the Lynnfield chips. Based on our preliminary results, I'd expect the race to be reasonably close between the 965 BE and the Core i5 750 but the i7 850 may prove to be the sweet spot at only $40 more.

The clear response would then for AMD to drop prices - I believe at $199 the 965 BE would easily remain competitive. The situation we find ourselves in today is that AMD has a good enough architecture to remain competitive, albeit at more affordable price points. Thankfully for AMD's sake, regardless of what Intel does, there's always a price point where Phenom II seems to make sense.

The question is will this be enough to last AMD throughout 2010 before we see a real change in architecture?

Here I Googled few more reviews which I didn't read yet.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-ii-x4-965.html
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii_965/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii-x4-965-be-processor-review-test/
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17402
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1037/1/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19703
http://cluboverclocker.com/reviews/cpu/amd/x4_965_BE/p1.asp

breathemetal
08-13-09, 01:50 AM
if the 965 drops to below 200 it will prolly be my next processor
amd/ati build :) go red!

bob saget
08-13-09, 02:24 AM
Friend got q9550 for identical price as that. He has a socket 775 board, not AM2+. I hope the difference in performance is not that big.

bob saget
08-13-09, 02:25 AM
Nvm......

http://xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/phenom-ii-x4-965/charts/crysis.png

a12ctic
08-13-09, 11:21 AM
Nvm......

http://xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/phenom-ii-x4-965/charts/crysis.png

The Phenom II's are basically a "fair match" for the q9xx0 series. You can get either platform and expect about the same performance. The P II and the q9xx0 trade off benchmarks.

If you're getting a new rig however, AMD's chipset lineup is a lot better, especially in the low-mid range than any offerings on the Intel side. Platform consistency is nice. AMD will also be making AM3 compatible chips for way longer than Intels slot, leaving more upgrade options.

Back on topic, the P II x4 looks pretty good. I'm happy to see that its pretty overclockable as well. I'd love to have one of these sitting in my rig running at 4ghz (nana2)

Blacklash
08-13-09, 02:09 PM
I remember the days when AMD CPUs ran @ a much lower clock speed but had better performance than higher clocked Intel CPUs. The 965 is +20% clock speed and -%5 performance compared to the Q9550. Yes you can OC the 965 and the Q9550 will OC too.

grey_1
08-13-09, 02:32 PM
Good to see AMD getting back into the game. If the cost of the mobo is kept low enough I think most folks could be quite happy with a 965 set up.

@bob -you would let one game (7fps difference) decide the whole thing for you?

betterdan
08-13-09, 02:37 PM
I don't think he has anything to worry about Bob.

bob saget
08-13-09, 04:20 PM
No i meant i thought there is huge difference, judging from the OP
the 965 is clearly a better option than the Q9550
I was thinking performance wise, not taking into account future upgrades and whatever else.

nekrosoft13
08-13-09, 04:30 PM
I remember the days when AMD CPUs ran @ a much lower clock speed but had better performance than higher clocked Intel CPUs. The 965 is +20% clock speed and -%5 performance compared to the Q9550. Yes you can OC the 965 and the Q9550 will OC too.

they still have quite a bit of work ahead of them

ragejg
08-13-09, 04:43 PM
FWIW my x3 720 Black in an old AM2+ board OC'ed to 3.4 runs everything as fast as AMD's old top-of-the line Phenom X4, and basically as quick as AMD's middle-of-the-road PhII x4's.... and intel's Q6600 @ around 2.4ghz.

Just some food for thought, I got mine for about $115. Good bang for the buck, definitely.

hell_of_doom227
08-13-09, 11:15 PM
A lot of options in sub $300.