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dxx
09-05-09, 04:32 AM
Okay, I know everyone hates the "PC gaming is dead" argument, but it seems pretty clear from everywhere I've looked that it's in a really, really bad shape. Looking at play.com's top 50 sellers list, it looks like it's barely even got a pulse. Crysis is at something like #4 and that came out aaages ago, WoW seems to appear as every second entry, and some of the games listed in it aren't even on sale at the moment. Looking around at other top seller lists from the likes of Amazon, it seems to be much the same everywhere you go. I've been looking around ATI and nVidia's gamer sites, and there doesn't seem to be anything much apart from WoW clones and a couple of RTS games that don't seem that interesting. There just seems to be nothing new.

I know Microsoft are continuing to push Dx11 for us gamers. Win7 is meant to make life better still for us. ATi and nVidia are still bringing out cards. But software houses, what are they doing?

I'm curious. What are your thoughts on the future of PC gaming? Is it dead? Was 2007 the last great year? Is there new stuff coming out that you know of? Have there been exciting new titles released over the past year that I've just missed completely? If PC gaming is dead, what do you see as being the future for all the companies who made their money out of the PC gaming market?

I don't really want PC gaming to be dead. If you guys have any interesting thoughts on its future, I'd really like to hear them.

CaptNKILL
09-05-09, 05:13 AM
I think it'll continue on as it has for a while.

It will most likely see a bit of a comeback over time as the current generation of consoles starts showing its age and the cost of a gaming-capable computer comes down.

I think with the right marketing it could be in much better shape.

For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.

As with anything these days though, the economy isn't helping. Its still less expensive to just buy a 360 or PS3 and a couple games than it is to set up a gaming PC, so that will always have a negative impact on PC sales.

If retail stores made some effort to push PCs for gaming or at least sell PCs that can play something other than Peggle, that would also help significantly. Currently the fastest graphics cards you can get in PCs at wal-mart are either integrated Radeon HD3200 chips (780G) or a 9600M GT in a laptop... which is half the speed of the desktop counterpart. And generally, you're spending $700-$900 to get systems with either of those.

mailman2
09-05-09, 07:22 AM
Okay, I know everyone hates the "PC gaming is dead" argument, but it seems pretty clear from everywhere I've looked that it's in a really, really bad shape. Looking at play.com's top 50 sellers list, it looks like it's barely even got a pulse. Crysis is at something like #4 and that came out aaages ago, WoW seems to appear as every second entry, and some of the games listed in it aren't even on sale at the moment. Looking around at other top seller lists from the likes of Amazon, it seems to be much the same everywhere you go. I've been looking around ATI and nVidia's gamer sites, and there doesn't seem to be anything much apart from WoW clones and a couple of RTS games that don't seem that interesting. There just seems to be nothing new.

I know Microsoft are continuing to push Dx11 for us gamers. Win7 is meant to make life better still for us. ATi and nVidia are still bringing out cards. But software houses, what are they doing?

I'm curious. What are your thoughts on the future of PC gaming? Is it dead? Was 2007 the last great year? Is there new stuff coming out that you know of? Have there been exciting new titles released over the past year that I've just missed completely? If PC gaming is dead, what do you see as being the future for all the companies who made their money out of the PC gaming market?

I don't really want PC gaming to be dead. If you guys have any interesting thoughts on its future, I'd really like to hear them.

I'm playing some great 2009 games right now. Not sure why you'd think 2007 was the last good gaming year. 2008 had some incredible games as well. PC gaming is fine if you dont mind ports (alot of been very good) and not having to upgrade your GPU as the ports from consoles dont require any more power than we already have. I'm kinda happy with not having to upgrade for most of these games.

|MaguS|
09-05-09, 07:55 AM
I think it'll continue on as it has for a while.

It will most likely see a bit of a comeback over time as the current generation of consoles starts showing its age and the cost of a gaming-capable computer comes down.

I think with the right marketing it could be in much better shape.

For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.

As with anything these days though, the economy isn't helping. Its still less expensive to just buy a 360 or PS3 and a couple games than it is to set up a gaming PC, so that will always have a negative impact on PC sales.

If retail stores made some effort to push PCs for gaming or at least sell PCs that can play something other than Peggle, that would also help significantly. Currently the fastest graphics cards you can get in PCs at wal-mart are either integrated Radeon HD3200 chips (780G) or a 9600M GT in a laptop... which is half the speed of the desktop counterpart. And generally, you're spending $700-$900 to get systems with either of those.

I agree with what you said totally. Seems like PC Gaming is such a side note in the market that its doing worse because hardware manufacturers just don't care as much as console manufacturers. Do you ever seen an ad on TV for a Nvidia graphics card stating "playing batman on your pc with the best graphics using nvidia".

In stores its worse the OEM PCs don't have the capabilities at the "medium" price range to play most high end games at decent settings. Yes you can get a gaming PC but the average person doesn't know the difference between the hardware and will go after the price, the sales reps also don't inform them properly. You know how often I go to Best Buy and hear a rep telling someone that the laptop can play PC games because it has 4GB of ram? All the time. The only thing the standard consumer knows about PCs are RAM and Hard Drive space. They don't even know the difference between Intel, AMD, Dual Core, Quad Core... none of that.

The PC Market is in a slump in short because of bad information given to customers and bad marketing. It wont improve untill the lowest common denominator at Best Buy is gaming capable or untill Nvidia and ATI start properly informing people about the difference between a real gaming PC and a gaming PC from Best Buy.

K007
09-05-09, 08:11 AM
We shouldn't have mroe than 3 models of a GPU for that generation

Cheap Version 4850
Moderate Perfm Version 4870
Extreme Perfm 4870x2? Something SLI

Same for CPU's, Motherboards/Ram.

Those who dont know much about pc's will get ripped off by having inferior hardware sold at high prices and advertised as a gaming pc.

In terms of games that are coming out for the PC, they are fine. Most popular games are out on PC via port either by delay or released togeather. I don't think anyone really cares if crap games dont make into PC.

crainger
09-05-09, 08:19 AM
We've hit a slump that's for sure, the PC platform and the gaming industry as a whole needs a shake up. One which has started in the form of indie games. Thank God for devs like CD Projekt, Telltale and the decent ports we have been seeing, without those we'd be in a much sadder place.

Side Note: Things are quite good if you are an old school gamer. Monkey Island, Sam and Max. Too bad they don't take advantage of an SLI machine. ::o:

Noriega
09-05-09, 08:33 AM
In times when Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo attacks media everyday with their marketing I think that most people don't even know what PC gaming is, those simple minded people thinks that PC is only The Sims and World of Warcraft. Another thing is that consoles as a hardware are not promoted as 3GHz hardware with 512MB of ram and 10GB hard drive. Their are promoted AS A GAMES. Nintendo comes with pair of Mario and Sports games, Microsoft got Forza and Halo and Sony got Killlzone and Gran Turismo. Graphic card advertise that will be telling aobut 896MB of VRam, 650mHz GPU etc will say nothing to typical PC user. Marketing of mainstream and enthusiast PC's should go in pair with games. I think Nvidia and Ati should do more to indentificate their product's with games.

Toss3
09-05-09, 08:38 AM
For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.

^This and someone should make a WMC-like interface for windows so that it would resemble consoles more and make things more simplified.

Destroy
09-05-09, 08:42 AM
It's all just a matter of money IMO. Economy has been sucking more and more every year so companies simply refocus more every year. Game market is huge and over saturated nowadays so projected profits are much thinner than years past. They find that PC does not make as much bottom line or easy money as consoles so priority goes there.

Sgt_Pitt
09-05-09, 09:03 AM
PC gaming is going strong in my neck of the woods.

We've got Aion coming, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, Jumpgate, Startrek Online, Starwars the old republic, Black prophecy, Secret World, Earthrise, Guild Wars II, Diablo III, Mafia II, plus many many more.

Gaming is very much alive on the PC. :)

shteve
09-05-09, 09:06 AM
From BluesNews (http://www.bluesnews.com):

Capcom to Make "PC-Lead" Games [Sep 04, 2009, 9:00 pm ET] - Share - 12 Comments

VG247 (http://www.vg247.com/2009/09/04/capcom-working-on-unannounced-pc-lead-projects/) has details from their podcast interview with Capcom's Christian Svensson, who reveals they are working on a couple of games designed for PC to be ported to consoles, rather than their usual MO, which is the reverse. Word is:
"We do have a couple of products in development which are PC-lead, that are not announced yet," he said. "That doesnít mean that that content isnít also going to show up on console, because it will."

"But the pedigree of the team and the primary focus of the design is around the PC, and the largest forecast is on PC for at least one of these projects."


It's not all doom and gloom on the PC front.

mullet
09-05-09, 09:09 AM
TF3

\thread.

crainger
09-05-09, 10:16 AM
PC gaming is going strong in my neck of the woods.

We've got Aion coming, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, Jumpgate, Startrek Online, Starwars the old republic, Black prophecy, Secret World, Earthrise, Guild Wars II, Diablo III, Mafia II, plus many many more.

Gaming is very much alive on the PC. :)

Very true, although the more militant members here will discount the cross platforms like ME2 and DA.

|MaguS|
09-05-09, 12:02 PM
Very true, although the more militant members here will discount the cross platforms like ME2 and DA.

No I just discount that many of those games wont be seen till next year easily.

His comment on PC Gaming being very much alive is funny though... No one said it is dyign or will die. It's just not at the high it use to be. PC Gaming use to be the main leader in the industry and has not been put as an after thought for most developers.

Noriega, It's scary but I somewhat agree on what you said. PC Gaming is advertised so bad, Why advertise the hardware specs when the general gaming public doesn't care... they just want to play the games. Consoles barely advertise the hardware but more the software, like it should be.

shteve, Whats to get excited about? Most games are developed on the PC and brought then to consoles... it's just that many of those PC Versions never see the light of day or are delayed horribly. Look at Star Wars: TFU, I bet the PC version has been completed a year ago... it's just not untill now that LA wants to release it. Remember coding for the X360 and the PC is very similar so when making a game for the X360 you are essentially making a PC Game...

jAkUp
09-05-09, 01:04 PM
Well, Starcraft II is a huge game and PC only.

|MaguS|
09-05-09, 01:26 PM
Well, Starcraft II is a huge game and PC only.

And? I bet we will see a console release of it in some form aswell.

http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xml
Will there be a console version of StarCraft II?

StarCraft II is being developed for Windows and Mac. We have no current plans to bring the game to any console platform.


Read between the lines. If there was never an idea of bringing it over they would have just said no, insted they say they have no current plans...

ActivisionBlizzard is a primarly console publisher, they do support the PC but they know more money is coming from consoles...

a12ctic
09-05-09, 01:45 PM
I can't believe that SC was ported to the N64. I just can't imagine playing it on a console.

jAkUp
09-05-09, 02:54 PM
And? I bet we will see a console release of it in some form aswell.

http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xml


Read between the lines. If there was never an idea of bringing it over they would have just said no, insted they say they have no current plans...

ActivisionBlizzard is a primarly console publisher, they do support the PC but they know more money is coming from consoles...

Well certainly they say no current plans, anything can change. But I do believe that if it ever ends up on consoles, it won't be for some time and it will likely be a very different game.

NarcissistZero
09-05-09, 03:30 PM
I think the industry itself is in a weird place... it's being heavily mainstreamed, the Wii is making companies thing win-buttons and motion controls are the future (even if no one buys games for it) and the old addage of simple and easy over challenging and rewarding is being solidified. Section 8 just came out, an online FPS to challenge Halo (har), and it has a freaking lock-on ability... for online multi! Seriously!

These things all influence where the PC is at, because PC gamers are even more traditional and demanding than old-school console players. If your game isn't built from the ground up for PC tech, it's "consolized" trash. If your game is mainstreamed at all, it's "consolized trash." In my opinion, that is only going to get worse over time, with natal coming and next gen consoles likely matching the Wii more than anything else.

PC's place in all this is really up in the air... I mean, I look at this year and next year and see a ton of games I want to play, so I am set for now, but will I still be playing what we think of as PC games in ten years? Will anyone? I think that is a very tough question to answer.

Amaury
09-05-09, 04:14 PM
Marketing/money rule. Forget about supporting the latest greatest technology. Consoles have taken over game developement (Carmack hated consoles back in the old Quake/Doom days). Look at him now. These DX11 cards coming out sound exciting but what games are we going to play to take advantage of them? Dirt 2? and then..........?

Drolfrawd
09-05-09, 05:16 PM
PC Gaming will live forever .................You treacherous Cretins.

Amaury
09-05-09, 06:05 PM
yes it will live forever but unfortunetly we will see fewer and fewer pc games like the previous generations going all the way back to the Voodoo days that pushed the technology that were either a. pc only or b. developed for the pc from the ground up and then ported over to consoles. we will see more MMOs, the Sims-type games, etc. that are more suited for the pc environment. There won't be any more Unreals or Cyrsis's if you understand my point. We will have to wait for the next generation of consoles :(

TheANIMAL
09-05-09, 06:09 PM
In about three or four years when the next generatin of consoles do come out, things will get rolling again.


Games will also be very pretty.

Amaury
09-05-09, 06:10 PM
and that stinks because the excitement of buying a new graphics card/pc hardware is gone unless you are a cuda app developer. games with new engines that push graphics will be a thing of the past on the pc :(

TheANIMAL
09-05-09, 06:20 PM
and that stinks because the excitement of buying a new graphics card/pc :(

Sorry, you lost me at that point :lol:


I used to be a graphics card nut but now i dont really see the point, i just admire pretty graphics