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Bigbuck
09-17-09, 04:04 PM
Here is my situation. My uncle and his family have two PC's running XP Home Edition x86. These are both pre-built PC's with OEM keys. I reformatted the laptop with XP Pro using my key because I couldn't get the Home Edition to work properly. The desktop really needs a reformat as it hasn't been taken care of in years. My question is, what version off of Technet would work with the OEM keys? The version I had tried needed the multilicense key to even continue the installation. Preferably I would like the one with SP3, but if that isn't possible, he SP2 one is fine. This is the link I am looking at: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/default.aspx?pv=36:350

ViN86
09-17-09, 04:06 PM
Here is my situation. My uncle and his family have two PC's running XP Home Edition x86. These are both pre-built PC's with OEM keys. I reformatted the laptop with XP Pro using my key because I couldn't get the Home Edition to work properly. The desktop really needs a reformat as it hasn't been taken care of in years. My question is, what version off of Technet would work with the OEM keys? The version I had tried needed the multilicense key to even continue the installation. Preferably I would like the one with SP3, but if that isn't possible, he SP2 one is fine. This is the link I am looking at: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/default.aspx?pv=36:350
For certain PC manufacturers, you need the OEM disc from them. Such manufacturers are Dell, Lenovo, etc. Typically you can't purchase these discs and need to get them through, umm, let's say non-conventional means.

What are the brands of your laptop and desktop?

Starscream
09-17-09, 04:22 PM
Here is my situation. My uncle and his family have two PC's running XP Home Edition x86. These are both pre-built PC's with OEM keys. I reformatted the laptop with XP Pro using my key because I couldn't get the Home Edition to work properly. The desktop really needs a reformat as it hasn't been taken care of in years. My question is, what version off of Technet would work with the OEM keys? The version I had tried needed the multilicense key to even continue the installation. Preferably I would like the one with SP3, but if that isn't possible, he SP2 one is fine. This is the link I am looking at: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/default.aspx?pv=36:350

The OEM version is NOT on that Technet page. Every single XP Home version they list says retail. Your OEM will not work with the retail version of Home.

For certain PC manufacturers, you need the OEM disc from them. Such manufacturers are Dell, Lenovo, etc. Typically you can't purchase these discs and need to get them through, umm, let's say non-conventional means.

What are the brands of your laptop and desktop?

No you don't.

If you have an OEM key sticker you can always use the OEM disk from Microsoft. If you have a real MS XP Home OEM disk and an XP Home sticker and it still isn't working you are typing the key in wrong.

Bigbuck
09-17-09, 04:28 PM
Both are Dell's. So this is something they changed in Vista then as I am able to use my OEM key with the Vista SP2 off of Technet just fine. My OEM disk is XP Pro SP2 so I cannot use, already tried :p.

Starscream
09-17-09, 04:30 PM
Both are Dell's. So this is something they changed in Vista then as I am able to use my OEM key with the Vista SP2 off of Technet just fine. My OEM disk is XP Pro SP2 so I cannot use, already tried :p.

Yeah that's because it's Pro.

What you need is an XP Home OEM cd, which is unfortunately not on that page as far as I can tell.

ViN86
09-17-09, 05:48 PM
The OEM version is NOT on that Technet page. Every single XP Home version they list says retail. Your OEM will not work with the retail version of Home.



No you don't.

If you have an OEM key sticker you can always use the OEM disk from Microsoft. If you have a real MS XP Home OEM disk and an XP Home sticker and it still isn't working you are typing the key in wrong.

Standard OEM discs won't work with the key provided on many machines, including Dell and my T42.

Ask CaptN, he had a similar issue not too long ago. Tried to use an OEM Home disc to do a clean install on a Dell. Used the key on the machine and it didn't work.

ViN86
09-17-09, 05:51 PM
Both are Dell's. So this is something they changed in Vista then as I am able to use my OEM key with the Vista SP2 off of Technet just fine. My OEM disk is XP Pro SP2 so I cannot use, already tried :p.

Check your PM's.

Starscream
09-17-09, 06:16 PM
Standard OEM discs won't work with the key provided on many machines, including Dell and my T42.

Ask CaptN, he had a similar issue not too long ago. Tried to use an OEM Home disc to do a clean install on a Dell. Used the key on the machine and it didn't work.

Over the course of a year I do several hundred windows loads on customers computers. I have been in business for 5 years now. That's easily 1200+ windows installs. For 3 years before opening Apogee I worked somewhere else with a comparable work load. So I feel I can easily lay claim to over 1500 windows loads. Not once have I had an issue using an OEM key with an OEM disk.

For ALL Dell's, HP's, Compaq's, etc. I use the same XP Home OEM disk with their key. If it's Pro I use the Pro OEM disk.

There is no magic. OEM sticker = OEM disk.

I am willing to bet what you're using aren't OEM OS disks.

When you're installing XP from an OEM disk the product key screen will look like this:
http://www.thetechguide.com/misc/winxpoem.jpg

When you're installing XP from a RETAIL disk the product key screen will look like this:
http://www.tipandtrick.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/xp-sp3-skip-product-key.jpg

The VAST majority of "OEM" XP iso files that can be downloaded from bit torrent sites are in fact retail versions.

Which of the two does your supposed OEM disk look like during the install?

ViN86
09-17-09, 06:36 PM
Over the course of a year I do several hundred windows loads on customers computers. I have been in business for 5 years now. That's easily 1200+ windows installs. For 3 years before opening Apogee I worked somewhere else with a comparable work load. So I feel I can easily lay claim to over 1500 windows loads. Not once have I had an issue using an OEM key with an OEM disk.

For ALL Dell's, HP's, Compaq's, etc. I use the same XP Home OEM disk with their key. If it's Pro I use the Pro OEM disk.

There is no magic. OEM sticker = OEM disk.

I am willing to bet what you're using aren't OEM OS disks.

When you're installing XP from an OEM disk the product key screen will look like this:

When you're installing XP from a RETAIL disk the product key screen will look like this:

The VAST majority of "OEM" XP iso files that can be downloaded from bit torrent sites are in fact retail versions.

Which of the two does your supposed OEM disk look like during the install?

I didn't do it. I said CaptN had the problem. He had a Home OEM disc and it wouldn't accept the Dell OEM key. I could be wrong, I am just going off what I saw CaptNKILL go through.

Starscream
09-17-09, 07:42 PM
I didn't do it. I said CaptN had the problem. He had a Home OEM disc and it wouldn't accept the Dell OEM key. I could be wrong, I am just going off what I saw CaptNKILL go through.

You sure made it sound like you were speaking with the voice of experience in this post:

Standard OEM discs won't work with the key provided on many machines, including Dell and my T42.

Also for the record if you're speaking of a Thinkpad T42, I can guarandamntee that a standard OEM disk of the kind that matches the sticker on the bottom of the pc will install on that laptop. I know I buy used T42's by the skid-load from a supplier in Mississauga Ontario.

ViN86
09-17-09, 08:11 PM
You sure made it sound like you were speaking with the voice of experience in this post:
It is the voice of experience. He had the problem and I recommended this solution and it worked.

Also for the record if you're speaking of a Thinkpad T42, I can guarandamntee that a standard OEM disk of the kind that matches the sticker on the bottom of the pc will install on that laptop. I know I buy used T42's by the skid-load from a supplier in Mississauga Ontario.
Well that's cool and all but I tried with a regular OEM disc and it said the key was invalid. I had to get the machine re-imaged.

Starscream
09-17-09, 08:21 PM
It is the voice of experience. He had the problem and I recommended this solution and it worked.

Well that's cool and all but I tried with a regular OEM disc and it said the key was invalid. I had to get the machine re-imaged.

Was this a burned cd or was it a real pressed Microsoft cd that actually says "For distribution with a new PC only. For product support, contact the manufacturer of your PC."? (Real retail disks don't have that phrase on them)

It was burned I think you had a retail disk (and this is a common issue), if it was in fact a genuine OEM cd I think you mistyped the key and then couldn't find your mistake.

ViN86
09-17-09, 10:27 PM
Was this a burned cd or was it a real pressed Microsoft cd that actually says "For distribution with a new PC only. For product support, contact the manufacturer of your PC."? (Real retail disks don't have that phrase on them)

It was burned I think you had a retail disk (and this is a common issue), if it was in fact a genuine OEM cd I think you mistyped the key and then couldn't find your mistake.

That's possible. Yes it was burned cause I had no way to get a genuine one. It's weird though cause CaptN had the same issue with an OEM disc...

And I doubt I mistyped it cause if it rejects it once, the first thing I do is check the entry. I don't think many people would give up after one try lol.

CaptNKILL
09-17-09, 10:46 PM
I downloaded an image of Windows XP SP3 to install onto a Dell computer using the key that was on the Dell's case.

It didn't work.

I tried two more and they didn't work either. Some said OEM and some said Retail.

ViN mentioned that some manufacturers use keys that are only compatible with their CDs. I guess they have some kind of imprint in the installations that. I think there is a name for this id\imprint but I'm having trouble finding it now.

I downloaded a Dell XP SP3 OEM CD and it worked flawlessly.

Not all manufacturers require vendor specific CDs, but some vendors' windows keys will only work with windows CDs marked specifically for that vendor.

Starscream
09-17-09, 11:02 PM
Not all manufacturers require vendor specific CDs, but some vendors' windows keys will only work with windows CDs marked specifically for that vendor.

This is simply not true.

Both of you have questionable disks at best. Go get a REAL OEM disk (obviously Home if you have Home or Pro if you have Pro) and I guarantee it will work with your keys.

Look at the images I linked earlier, if the product key page during the install is yellow it's a retail cd. If instead it has the certificate of authenticity image it is an OEM disk.

There are DOZENS of torrents and sites that purport to have OEM Xp Home or Pro disks and I'd bet that a good 90% of those are mislabeled and are in fact Retail disks or Volume License media.

The reason that the Dell OEM disk worked just means it was the first OEM disk you actually got your hands on. The fact that it was Dell branded is inconsequential. I'll burn you a Starscream branded OEM disk if you want.

ViN86
09-17-09, 11:41 PM
Agree to disagree? :lol:

CaptNKILL
09-18-09, 03:22 PM
This is simply not true.

Both of you have questionable disks at best. Go get a REAL OEM disk (obviously Home if you have Home or Pro if you have Pro) and I guarantee it will work with your keys.

Look at the images I linked earlier, if the product key page during the install is yellow it's a retail cd. If instead it has the certificate of authenticity image it is an OEM disk.

There are DOZENS of torrents and sites that purport to have OEM Xp Home or Pro disks and I'd bet that a good 90% of those are mislabeled and are in fact Retail disks or Volume License media.

The reason that the Dell OEM disk worked just means it was the first OEM disk you actually got your hands on. The fact that it was Dell branded is inconsequential. I'll burn you a Starscream branded OEM disk if you want.

Its likely that the disks were mislabeled Retail disks. They did have the yellow product key picture in the installation so they must have been retail images.

I guess that makes sense.

ViN86
09-19-09, 01:49 AM
Well that clarifies that issue. Thanks Starscream for the clarification.